Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted May 4, 2003 Ultimo Dragon was one of my favorite workers to watch for a while. I'm happy about it because, shit, I get to see him every week now. I'm going into his run with an open mind. Another thing, did this week's Observer suck or what? Reading the small blurb about UD coming it was the highlight of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 4, 2003 This is why I love seeing RRR's posts. Meticulous, systematic ownage makes me mark out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultimo Dugas 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 I think everyone knows that I am damned happy about this. PUSH HIM TO THE MOON! I wish, at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 You're an Ultimo Dragon fan, Ultimo Dragon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Ultimo Dragon a Ultimo Dragon fan. Man, that's like Homer going to clown college. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultimo Dugas 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Yeah, I'm a big fan of my wrestling...or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 ...Interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 5, 2003 This is why I love seeing RRR's posts. Meticulous, systematic ownage makes me mark out. I think you're confusing "ownage" with cynicism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Mmm, sweet, sweet cynicism... you'll never leave me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 5, 2003 I'm curious about something, RRR, although I'm sure a lot of 'anti-smark' types have asked you this, but why do you even stick around and talk about the WWE if there is nothing to look forward to or like about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Cause I'm bitter? Cause the WWE deserves it? Why do you care? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Shit, I forgot my #1 reason... Bashing the WWE is a lot more fun than Watching the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Cause I'm bitter? Cause the WWE deserves it? Why do you care? Well, we already knew that. That's not an answer. Cause the WWE deserves it? What have they done to you? Yes, they may have messed up with a lot of wrestlers in the past, present, and as we all know future, but they've shown before they can turn things around. And being cynical about it and just generally hating everything about the product, that won't ever help your opinion of the WWE at all, it seems as if you never have and never will give them a chance. You're more cynical than Scott Keith, for christ's sake. At least he likes Benoit. Why do you care? My, my defensive are we? Because your cynicism is a cancer to the WWE folder, knowing that no unbiased opinion will ever come from out of your posts, and it's almost laughable that you hate the product so much that you continue to follow up on it for the mere purpose of insulting it. Why the need to expend so much energy on something you apparently loathe so much? And also, as I previously stated, I'm just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 IT's funny how you guys will complain and bitch no matter what......they sign someone with no or little talent......and you bitch........ Warranted. Nathan Jones had no talent, he sucked in the ring. We as fans had to suffer though it. they sign a great star with tremendous talent......and you guys bitch........ Warranted. The WWE is notorious for WASTING tremendous talent. no wonder why they think of us as a joke, all we ever fuckin do is complain about EVERY SINGLE THING they do. When is enough enough When they stop signing horrible talent and start using the tremendous talent? Oh, but it's the FANS' fault for the WWE's incompetence. Hey, you better get back to Vince's ass, he's so lonely there without you. I remember Taka Michinoku having a good serious run as the first LightHeavyweight champ, Watch No Way Out 98. You'll see how racist the WWE was. and Tajiri had a good run as well. Oh yeah, because lord knows being Regals goofy sawki sawki assistant, getting over on ring-work alone and then getting turned for no reason and thus killing his heat is a good thing. Besides, i don't think Ultimo Dragon would sign unless he had some type of control clause in his contract. I don't think he would allow them to fuck him over with a stupid stereotype gimmick. BWAHAHAHAHA. It's funny cause you think it's true. So, you would like to ignore his good title defenses, including a classic on the Canadian Stampede PPV? That wasn't a title defense. They gave Taka the name "Taka Michinoclue" that has STILL stuck w/ him. Has there been one japanese wrestler that didn't get stereotypical japanese music? Taka vs. Sasuke was Vince wanting to start up a new light-heavyweight division so he told them to show what they can do - Vince started up the division and quickly flooded it with crappy wrestlers like Scott Putski and Brian Lawler. Why? Because Vince is Vince. Or would you like to ignore that Tajiri was super over for a while and has held the title? And they buried in spite of such overness. And, no i don't talk to him, I just think that with his situation in Japan he's not like TAKA (who wasn't their choice anyway, they wanted Sasuke), he's the fuckin man over there and wouldn't sign unless it was worth it for him....... Dragon wants to be in the WWE, he's a big fan apparently. A steady paycheck and national exposure and a cluelessness that he might get pushed and won't be a jobber 3 months down the road is attractive. He'll be thrown around by Bill Demot in no time. It's the fate of all cruiserweights. and, by the way notice before how i said "I dont THINK he would sign without control? See, the key word is think, as in I have an opinion on it. I don't think that implies that i TALK to him. So, next time read the context a little better, thanks. But your opinion has to be based on something - the only thing I see it being based on is a false hope that Ultimo is protecting his ass so he won't get buried. He will get buried. That is the nature of the WWE. How many more times does it have to happen before you see that? I haven't seen them destroy the "legend of Rey Mysterio Jr." so I have no reason they would do the same to Ultimo Dragon. Ah, so Rey Mysterio "Human baseball Bat" is a good thing? I'm really excited about this, and think it could be huge. Of course he'll have his same mask and everything, just like Rey did. Oh yeah of course! It's going to be HUGE! This is it guys, I'm tellin ya, this is it! I'm feelin it! This is time the cruiserweight division is going to TAKE OFF and just be pushed like it has never been pushed before. I'm tellin ya guys, the WCW cruiserweight division will have NOTHING on this! This isn't like all those other times before when the WWE was going to push the cruiserweight division for a week and then drop it and have all the cruiserweights get squashed by a hoss, no no no, THIS IS IT! I'm feelin it, it's going to be HUUUUGE! Vince always does the right thing especially with cruiserweights. He secretly loves them, he just has been waiting for the right time to push them and this time is IT! Get ready cause it's going to be high flying and great matches from this point on! Thats your opinion and I respect that...just like i'm entitled to mine. I just think it would be a little better to hold off all the negativity until we see him. No, it has gotten to the point with the WWE that you can pretty much well tell with 100% certainty that they are going to fuck it up. What you're saying is: "Hey guys, let's wait until we get burned until we decide that fire is hot". I for one THINK that there gonna give him Rey Mysterio like "coming soon promos" which could build up great interest for people who dont know him well. Yeah, and then they are going to crush him just to remind those fans that "small guys are lesser than big guys". And i know Taka wasnt champ at Stampede, i stated he had great title defenses AND a great ppv match against Sasuke. Two entirely seperate things. Actually you said INCLUDING. So the match between him and sasuke was INCLUDED into the title reign. Include: to have part of a whole. I just wanna think positive about this cause they signed a fabulous talent. Why does the WWE, who fails on EVERY SINGLE LEVEL on EVERY SINGLE THING that they do, deserve such optimism? They don't, you're just being willfully blind to it because you want to have a reason to watch. They don't give you reasons to watch, they don't deserve to have you watching, but you feel you have to find reasons to watch... Now,i'll join in on the NAthan Jones, Rodney Mack, Batista hating because i agree, but htis guys in another world and is an International susperstar.....Japan, Mexico, U.S., Europe......they can't fuck this up......*gulp*......they can't........right? They will. They are the WWE, it is their nature. Again, why in the living fuck would they single out Ultimo to debut and then deliberately make him look bad? He wasn't created by WCW, he's never been competition and there's NO history between him and Vince. Besides, I thought commitments with his own promotions would hinder him taking a full time schedule. Look at the track record with The WWE and Japanese wrestlers. Look at the track record with the WWE and cruiserweights. Vince just doesn't believe that small guys are worth promoting. Vince loves the big guys and will feed every single talented cruiserweight to a talentless hoss just because they are small. Dude, then why do you bother watching. MY face is in Vince's ass cause i don't think they'll ruin Ultimo Dragon's debut and run in the WWE. How old are you, 12? Seriously, if you plan to look at the signing as a negative then feel free to do so, but don't be coming here taking cheap shots at me cause it's uncalled for. Try responding with some intelligence instead of taking unwarranted shots. By the way......i was saying he had a good run which included and awesome PPv match and a good title run. I don't need you to explain to me what INCLUDE means son. You want to go around these boards whining like a little bitch about everything, which you do cause i see your posts, then feel free. You have your thoughts and I have mine and we'll leave it at that. Seems like you shouldn't even be wasting your time watching WWE by your constant complaints and whining. A person like you would never see any positive in anything so why bother? Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV on Monday and Thursday nights. 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Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Ok Everyone. New contest: Everyone try to determine the exact time this thread became super gay. Go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 certainly not when I started it! lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Ok Everyone. New contest: Everyone try to determine the exact time this thread became super gay. Go. Gay: IT's funny how you guys will complain and bitch no matter what......they sign someone with no or little talent......and you bitch........they sign a great star with tremendous talent......and you guys bitch........no wonder why they think of us as a joke, all we ever fuckin do is complain about EVERY SINGLE THING they do. When is enough enough LooseCannon25, May 4th, 11:19am Gayer: IT's funny how you guys will complain and bitch no matter what......they sign someone with no or little talent......and you bitch........ Warranted. Nathan Jones had no talent, he sucked in the ring. We as fans had to suffer though it. they sign a great star with tremendous talent......and you guys bitch........ Warranted. The WWE is notorious for WASTING tremendous talent. no wonder why they think of us as a joke, all we ever fuckin do is complain about EVERY SINGLE THING they do. When is enough enough When they stop signing horrible talent and start using the tremendous talent? Oh, but it's the FANS' fault for the WWE's incompetence. Hey, you better get back to Vince's ass, he's so lonely there without you. I remember Taka Michinoku having a good serious run as the first LightHeavyweight champ, Watch No Way Out 98. You'll see how racist the WWE was. and Tajiri had a good run as well. Oh yeah, because lord knows being Regals goofy sawki sawki assistant, getting over on ring-work alone and then getting turned for no reason and thus killing his heat is a good thing. Besides, i don't think Ultimo Dragon would sign unless he had some type of control clause in his contract. I don't think he would allow them to fuck him over with a stupid stereotype gimmick. BWAHAHAHAHA. It's funny cause you think it's true. So, you would like to ignore his good title defenses, including a classic on the Canadian Stampede PPV? That wasn't a title defense. They gave Taka the name "Taka Michinoclue" that has STILL stuck w/ him. Has there been one japanese wrestler that didn't get stereotypical japanese music? Taka vs. Sasuke was Vince wanting to start up a new light-heavyweight division so he told them to show what they can do - Vince started up the division and quickly flooded it with crappy wrestlers like Scott Putski and Brian Lawler. Why? Because Vince is Vince. Or would you like to ignore that Tajiri was super over for a while and has held the title? And they buried in spite of such overness. And, no i don't talk to him, I just think that with his situation in Japan he's not like TAKA (who wasn't their choice anyway, they wanted Sasuke), he's the fuckin man over there and wouldn't sign unless it was worth it for him....... Dragon wants to be in the WWE, he's a big fan apparently. A steady paycheck and national exposure and a cluelessness that he might get pushed and won't be a jobber 3 months down the road is attractive. He'll be thrown around by Bill Demot in no time. It's the fate of all cruiserweights. and, by the way notice before how i said "I dont THINK he would sign without control? See, the key word is think, as in I have an opinion on it. I don't think that implies that i TALK to him. So, next time read the context a little better, thanks. But your opinion has to be based on something - the only thing I see it being based on is a false hope that Ultimo is protecting his ass so he won't get buried. He will get buried. That is the nature of the WWE. How many more times does it have to happen before you see that? I haven't seen them destroy the "legend of Rey Mysterio Jr." so I have no reason they would do the same to Ultimo Dragon. Ah, so Rey Mysterio "Human baseball Bat" is a good thing? I'm really excited about this, and think it could be huge. Of course he'll have his same mask and everything, just like Rey did. Oh yeah of course! It's going to be HUGE! This is it guys, I'm tellin ya, this is it! I'm feelin it! This is time the cruiserweight division is going to TAKE OFF and just be pushed like it has never been pushed before. I'm tellin ya guys, the WCW cruiserweight division will have NOTHING on this! This isn't like all those other times before when the WWE was going to push the cruiserweight division for a week and then drop it and have all the cruiserweights get squashed by a hoss, no no no, THIS IS IT! I'm feelin it, it's going to be HUUUUGE! Vince always does the right thing especially with cruiserweights. He secretly loves them, he just has been waiting for the right time to push them and this time is IT! Get ready cause it's going to be high flying and great matches from this point on! Thats your opinion and I respect that...just like i'm entitled to mine. I just think it would be a little better to hold off all the negativity until we see him. No, it has gotten to the point with the WWE that you can pretty much well tell with 100% certainty that they are going to fuck it up. What you're saying is: "Hey guys, let's wait until we get burned until we decide that fire is hot". I for one THINK that there gonna give him Rey Mysterio like "coming soon promos" which could build up great interest for people who dont know him well. Yeah, and then they are going to crush him just to remind those fans that "small guys are lesser than big guys". And i know Taka wasnt champ at Stampede, i stated he had great title defenses AND a great ppv match against Sasuke. Two entirely seperate things. Actually you said INCLUDING. So the match between him and sasuke was INCLUDED into the title reign. Include: to have part of a whole. I just wanna think positive about this cause they signed a fabulous talent. Why does the WWE, who fails on EVERY SINGLE LEVEL on EVERY SINGLE THING that they do, deserve such optimism? They don't, you're just being willfully blind to it because you want to have a reason to watch. They don't give you reasons to watch, they don't deserve to have you watching, but you feel you have to find reasons to watch... Now,i'll join in on the NAthan Jones, Rodney Mack, Batista hating because i agree, but htis guys in another world and is an International susperstar.....Japan, Mexico, U.S., Europe......they can't fuck this up......*gulp*......they can't........right? They will. They are the WWE, it is their nature. Again, why in the living fuck would they single out Ultimo to debut and then deliberately make him look bad? He wasn't created by WCW, he's never been competition and there's NO history between him and Vince. Besides, I thought commitments with his own promotions would hinder him taking a full time schedule. Look at the track record with The WWE and Japanese wrestlers. Look at the track record with the WWE and cruiserweights. Vince just doesn't believe that small guys are worth promoting. Vince loves the big guys and will feed every single talented cruiserweight to a talentless hoss just because they are small. RRR, May 4th, 3:39PM GHEY~! This is why I love seeing RRR's posts. Meticulous, systematic ownage makes me mark out. Mulatto Heat, May 4th, 3:54PM Done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 ehhhh.....should I be offended i was nominated or be thankful i didn't take the honor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 What have they done to you? Hmm, given them over a decade of loyalty and they don't care and even worse, they spit on it. Every time they LIE about their history, the history that I have witnessed, every time they CHANGE their history, the history that I have lived through, it's a SLAP in the face. Not to mention that all the stupid storylines and plot holes and time dedicated to NOTHING. My time is a very personal thing, time is life, no? They take my time, my loyalty and they don't care. I dunno bout you, but when I care about something for a long time I would like to have that care about me in return. I don't mean a personal thank you card, I mean intelligent storylines, I mean them doing the best they can possibly do to put on a great show. Is that so much to ask? Yes, they may have messed up with a lot of wrestlers in the past, present, and as we all know future, but they've shown before they can turn things around. Yeah, and you know what? All this, all of what you are watching right now. It will be forgotten about. Get it? It's POINTLESS. The time you put in right now is completely meaningless because once they get popular again they will act like it NEVER HAPPENED. So why watch? Just so you can watch stupid storyline after stupid storyline? Just so you can derive satisfaction from the tiniest, stupidest thing and therefore justify your viewership? What are the rewards that you as a fan get for watching? They don't and won't give you their best product, how does that make you feel? And being cynical about it and just generally hating everything about the product, that won't ever help your opinion of the WWE at all, it seems as if you never have and never will give them a chance. You're more cynical than Scott Keith, for christ's sake. At least he likes Benoit. I like Benoit. I don't like what they are doing with Benoit. Oh, I gave them chances FOR YEARS!!!!! Chance after chance after chance after chance after chance! Why should they get a chance with Ultimo Dragon? They certainly don't deserve it. My cynicism is completely warranted. My, my defensive are we? Not so much defensive as curious... Of course, I don't ask you why you post what you post, I just sorta expect the same courtesy. Because your cynicism is a cancer to the WWE folder, knowing that no unbiased opinion will ever come from out of your posts, and it's almost laughable that you hate the product so much that you continue to follow up on it for the mere purpose of insulting it. A cancer you say? Gee, “I’m just stating my opinions” I thought this board was all pro-opinions. How exactly are my posts biased? There is PLENTY of evidence to show that the WWE will screw up on Ultimo Dragon. Sure, my posts are hateful toward the WWE’s, but it’s not like they are factually incorrect or anything... Why the need to expend so much energy on something you apparently loathe so much? I enjoy it. Duh. Why shouldn't I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Uh, I don't watch. I thought that was clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 5, 2003 This is why I love seeing RRR's posts. Meticulous, systematic ownage makes me mark out. I think you're confusing "ownage" with cynicism. Maybe, maybe not. The cynicism is very entertaining and NOT unwarranted. OMG SO VERY GHEY~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 I find it entertaining too Especially when the WWE deserves it. More people should be hateful. Mmm Hmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Hey, it's not MY fault I find the scuffles here to be more fun to observe (and participate) than the scuffles on RAW and SD. It's just the way it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 5, 2003 This is why I love seeing RRR's posts. Meticulous, systematic ownage makes me mark out. I think you're confusing "ownage" with cynicism. Maybe, maybe not. The cynicism is very entertaining and NOT unwarranted. OMG SO VERY GHEY~! I'll agree with that. The gheyness of it was you verbally cocksucking RRR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted May 5, 2003 At least we're on the same page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 MY face is in Vince's ass cause i don't think they'll ruin Ultimo Dragon's debut and run in the WWE. No, you're head is up Vince's ass cause you're blaming the fans' for complaining about the WWE rather than the WWE giving the fans something to complain about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 MY face is in Vince's ass cause i don't think they'll ruin Ultimo Dragon's debut and run in the WWE. No, you're head is up Vince's ass cause you're blaming the fans' for complaining about the WWE rather than the WWE giving the fans something to complain about. Granted, The WWE fucks up tons of shit...............I just think there are some things that are supposed to be looked at in a positive way. Signing Ultimo Dragon is a good thing, and I look forward to seeing him on TV now. There's plenty of shit to complain about as bad as things are now.....this however, is not one of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Ultimo will be good for the intial 2 months... That's about how long the WWE's interest in push the cruiserweight division is. Then it's putting over Albert, Demott, Taker, Big Show, Jones. Why do you think most of the Hosses are on Smackdown?? So they can throw around the cruiserweights. But hey, if you're happy and content with those two months... the more power to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 5, 2003 I think the WWE should EARN the fans' optimism. They haven't earned it. They haven't come close to earning it. As someone who has completely lost that optimism after sustaining it for an ungodly period of itme, I don't understand why you keep it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2003 Gimme Rey vs. Dragon, Tajiri vs. Dragon, Hardy vs. Dragon, and Noble vs. Dragon and cool with it. You're probably right about the Hoss Effect after a while though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
