Guest JMFabiano524 Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 For those of you who read Wrestlecrap, RD got a mail asking why he didn't include any puro entries on the site. He said (as I understand) he couldn't think of anything that puro fans wouldn't disagree on. So let me go right to the source...what do you think has come down the pike in puroresu that could be considered Wrestlecrap?
Guest RickyChosyu Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 Just frequent Puroresu Power and read what comes up. You'll find something absurd in five minutes, guaranteed. And no, that's not a joke.
Guest Downhome Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 Isn't there some over the top fed where guys wrestle AS trees and the such?
Guest XdojimeX Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 "Isn't there some over the top fed where guys wrestle AS trees and the such?" Yeah, but thats not crap. Thats art. If we're talking "big time" puroresu and not the usual indy lunacy (otherwise we'd be here for days, Chocoball anyone?) the all-time Japanese wrestlecrap has to be the almighty Gaspars. Billy and Barry. Inoki set the bar way too high with that one. Even Giant Silva couldn't top it.
Guest Walter Sobzak Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 A remember a story a couple years back with Inoki having Ron Reis in the main at a dome show doing a Big Van Vader gimmick. He even needed the Vader helmet back. I think that qualifies.
Guest Nevermortal Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 Wasn't there some sort of a wrestling federation where they had handicapped people fight each other?
Guest Rhysabusa Posted May 13, 2003 Report Posted May 13, 2003 Yes.. Social Pro-Wrestling Federation.
Guest cynicalprofit Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Um, Chyna vs Chono....that would be puro crap, in my opinion.
Guest Black Tiger Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 Joanie Lauer's whole time in NJPW was highlighted by Tenzan and Chono making funny comments about her. Two Words: Super Lyger
Guest Special K Posted May 19, 2003 Report Posted May 19, 2003 Things that would seem sorta crappy here come off wonderfully in Japan. Ex. While I wouldn't call Val Venis as acbsolute crap, it was silly and pretty average (with the exception of the choppy pee-pee wrestlecrap) COmpare that to Tokyo Magnum which is ABSOLUTE GOLD. It's Val Venis done 1000x better. Also Muta. He's pretty Dungeon-of-Doomesque. (yeah I know he predates them by years and years) However, regardless of his merits as a worker, his charisma and some of his vignettes and mannerisms make it work pretty darn well. I'm sure there are some underground feds that have some abysmal things. Stolker is pretty wrestlecrappy, but I find him fairly amusing.
Guest gansobomber Posted May 20, 2003 Report Posted May 20, 2003 Hogan winning the IWGP title was wrestlecrap... Oh wait he used to wrestle better back then... But still, no IWGP = no WWF Hulkamania run, so its still wrestlecrap. And yes, I shamelessly stole an idea from one of the DVDVRs
Maztinho Posted May 20, 2003 Report Posted May 20, 2003 Um, Chyna vs Chono....that would be puro crap, in my opinion. Anything where Chyna gets kicked in the face five or six times is NOT puro crap.
Guest cynicalprofit Posted May 21, 2003 Report Posted May 21, 2003 The fact they allowed Chyna to wrestle in Japan IS crap.
Maztinho Posted May 21, 2003 Report Posted May 21, 2003 The fact they allowed Chyna to wrestle in Japan IS crap. Touche, but still she got Yakuza'd!!!
Guest Goodear Posted May 21, 2003 Report Posted May 21, 2003 It's weird, Japan can do some really weird stuff and people still like it. I mean, if I took a wrestler here and put Cole Slaw on his head and called him SlawSaw, I would end up in hell. Do it in Japan with Christopher Daniels of all people and no one has a problem.
Guest Doyo Posted May 27, 2003 Report Posted May 27, 2003 here we go http://puroresufan.com/ - "Kobashi has been doing some... interesting and bold training lately. Kobashi sparred for two hours with a "bloodthirsty grizzly bear" on a beach in Shirao Town (Hokkaido). The sea cried, the special soul training of Kobashi shook the northern ground, and the waves of the North Sea raged. It was so chilly that long sleeve shirts were still required in Hokkaido, yet steam flew from the body of Kobashi as he fought the cannibal bear. Standing 3m and around 500kg, the bear fought Kobashi mightily. Yet the bear was no match for the pro wrestler, Kobashi was the King of Grizzly, and reigned over the mountains of Hokkaido!" Also, earlier I was watching a match with Jun "Crazy Monkey" Kasai. For anyone that does not know, he has a tail and eats bananas during his matches. Imagine the outrage if someone like Jamie Knoble was given this gimmick in WWE.
Guest Riots bloodlust Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 Couple random thoughts to consider: I don't think this was big time, but I believe that at one point there was an "anus explosion match" where the looser got some dynamite, or a firecracker, or something, shoved up their ass and detonated. Sasuke has made a porno movie, and made it a point to say he would not remove his mask in parlament after being elected. I personally think that qualifies. Daisuke Ikeda coming out to "Tell me why" and dressing up like Gatts from Berserk. Not that Gatts isn't a cool character that represents fighting spirit, but the cardboard sword is a bit much. That and that music makes me want to JAB AN ICE PICK INTO MY EAR! I hate that song.
Guest Riots bloodlust Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 I found Damien pretty funny. Or are we referring to different people?
Guest RedJed Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 Couple random thoughts to consider: I don't think this was big time, but I believe that at one point there was an "anus explosion match" where the looser got some dynamite, or a firecracker, or something, shoved up their ass and detonated. I think they did that in FMW a few times, I remember when Hayabusa took off the mask for that short time there, he got a firecracker lit in his ass from Ganosuke and others. Weird shit there, FMW had a ton of wrestlecrap-esque shit, especially when Fuyuki was booking. I remember seeing a Big Japan match where the point of the match was to put the opponent in a tank of pirannas. Total crap, they had scorpion and alligator matches, among other lame gimmicks as well that never amounted to anyone really even getting hurt from any of those.
Guest JMA Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 It's weird that 666 is associated with the Devil when in reality it translates into Nero Caesar. "Damien Nero Caesar"? But that's neither here nor there. I think bad gimmicks work in Japan because they're very tongue-in-cheek. They aren't meant to be taken very seriously. They're more like cultural parodies, IMO. I also disagree with The Great Muta's gimmick being similar to the DoD. The DoD gimmick was just fucking crazy.
Guest PlatypusFool Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 Yeah, it comes, i think, from the fact that the Japs have always known worked wrestling is worked, so they can't really harm their products by doing stupid things that expose the business. Wrestlecrap is usually daft gimmicks and angles that are so daft they harm the product and drawing power of the promotion. Things like Daisuke Ikeda taking on characters that represent fighting spirit, and the cardboard sword is probly a large part of the character, are seen as just that, a narrative point done for it's meaning. Also, everything in DDT is done for the same reason, the monkeys, the sex change operations, all of it, it's all entertaining because it's not hurting the product as everyone already knows it's worked.
Guest Riots bloodlust Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 Yah, I understand that, although I still think the cardboard sword is goofy, and I still HATE THAT MUSIC. *Slams head against the wall to get it out of my mind*
Guest TheMadmanGreg Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 Pretty much any gimmick in Japan is wrestlecrap. Their best wrestling characters are people who simply have no gimmick, but are bad-ass... or have some part of their body that is completely devestating. (Misawa, Kawada... I'm looking in your direction.)
Guest Nevermortal Posted June 2, 2003 Report Posted June 2, 2003 I remember seeing a Big Japan match where the point of the match was to put the opponent in a tank of pirannas. Total crap, they had scorpion and alligator matches, among other lame gimmicks as well that never amounted to anyone really even getting hurt from any of those. What a shitty match that was. Matasunaga v. Nagasaki in the longest 15 minutes (I think) of my life.
Guest The Rising Star Posted June 3, 2003 Report Posted June 3, 2003 What are the lyrics of Tell Me Why which makes the song so bad?
Guest Riots bloodlust Posted June 3, 2003 Report Posted June 3, 2003 Here's "Tell Me Why" by the Penpals: Feel no shame about shape weather changes their phrase even mother will show you another way So put your glasses on nothing will be wrong there's no blame, there's no fame, it's up to you The first words should be found whatever holds you back I can get it off Tell me what, tell me what, tell me what you want I don't know why, don't know why, don't know why are you afraid Tell me what, tell me what, tell me what you wanna say I don't know why, don't know why, don't know why but it's too late First thing that bugs me is that the lyric is "Tell me what" not "Tell me why" like the title is, and it's one of those odd japanese songs sung in english, so the accent is very thick. Additionally, it sounds like japanese indy rock... *shudders*
Guest Riots bloodlust Posted June 3, 2003 Report Posted June 3, 2003 Actually, I should also say that there are more lyrics in the full song, but that's the ammount they use for the Berserk opening sequence. I don't know if Ikeda uses the whole thing or not, but whatever.
Guest two_tuff_toddy Posted June 3, 2003 Report Posted June 3, 2003 I saw a Koji Katow(sp?) vs Mabel match that had Koji missing a cross arm breaker (How do you manage that?) and then win with the same move. It was quite gay and well deserving of wrestlecrap. You can't for get about the greatness of the IWA Bathhouse Brawl. Jesus Christ.
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