Ultimo NOT to debut at JD.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I would have to agree in him HATING his audience. For example, the guy whenever in Canada (which are the absolute hottest crowds for TV), is always treating the fans like absolute shit there. From teasing them, to having their favorites all losing, to insulting them. I know it's part of his gimmick, but he just has the asshole attitude of you'll watch whatever the fuck i put on TV cause i'm Vincent Kennedy Mcmahon

[Guest Downhome]

I don't know, I think deep down he truly feels that by doing things from the past, will work once again now that his company is at a low point. None of us can prove this one way or another, but I really think that's part of the problem. Like I said, it's not the first time something like that would have happened to a wrestling company.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

No no, shut up Downhome. He hates his fans. It's really that simple. If you want a list, you'll get it but I really shouldn't have to make you one. It should be obvious by now.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

I don't know, I think deep down he truly feels that by doing things from the past, will work once again now that his company is at a low point. None of us can prove this one way or another, but I really think that's part of the problem. Like I said, it's not the first time something like that would have happened to a wrestling company.

WCW anyone?

[Guest Downhome]

I don't know, I think deep down he truly feels that by doing things from the past, will work once again now that his company is at a low point. None of us can prove this one way or another, but I really think that's part of the problem. Like I said, it's not the first time something like that would have happened to a wrestling company.

WCW anyone?

WCW had no clue for a lot of the time, they were WAY out of touch with the fans. Call it him just HATING the fans, but I really don't think that's totally true (I do think he hates the net fans however). Vince is in this for the money, and that's about it for him. I think he thinks that what once worked, will work again. He simply can't move on, he can't go to the next level, it seems he can't rise to the new generation of Pro. Wrestling.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

At least WCW put on a string of good/very good cruiser matches in their dying days.

 

WWE will just get shittier until it finally dies.

[LooseCannon25 0]

You know what.......the best thing that probably could happen to WWE now is NWA:TNA getting a national TV deal and competing with WWE. McMahon would definitely lose a lot more of his fans, and would have to push other guys instead of hosses and make some other changes.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I don't know, I think deep down he truly feels that by doing things from the past, will work once again now that his company is at a low point. None of us can prove this one way or another, but I really think that's part of the problem. Like I said, it's not the first time something like that would have happened to a wrestling company.

WCW anyone?

WCW had no clue for a lot of the time, they were WAY out of touch with the fans. Call it him just HATING the fans, but I really don't think that's totally true (I do think he hates the net fans however). Vince is in this for the money, and that's about it for him. I think he thinks that what once worked, will work again. He simply can't move on, he can't go to the next level, it seems he can't rise to the new generation of Pro. Wrestling.

but, Downhome.........Vince already did the "New Generation" in the mid 90's

[Guest Downhome]

You know what.......the best thing that probably could happen to WWE now is NWA:TNA getting a national TV deal and competing with WWE. McMahon would definitely lose a lot more of his fans, and would have to push other guys instead of hosses and make some other changes.

Exactly, that's the thing. If we really want to help, we should in turn decide to really help TNA. Like I said, why not have one of us email Jerry Jarrett about it? I'm sure he'd gladly asist in SOME way in helpnig to spread word about TNA and the such.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Sakura you *do* know that it is downhomes objective to rid the smartmarks board of every and all wwe haters, right? Downhome is tired of the wwe hate on the board - if it were up to him we'd be having 'true wrestling discussions' like "isn't Vince wonderful?" and "~let's talk about who we mark for~". The only reason he wants people like you (and I) to go about gathering folk for a boycott and whatnot is so we won't be here talking about how bad the WWE is and reminding him that he's watching a shitty product... In other words, he doesn't want to "think" about it.

[Guest Downhome]

Well this "discussion" was actually going pretty good untill that post. Thanks for ruining it, as always.

 

Keep on putting words in my mouth, it really makes you look sooooooo big, ugh.

 

My problem is just with, well, crap like what you just posted. Stop trying to flame bait, which you DO even if you don't want to admit it or not, and don't resort to acting childish by name calling and the such. As of right now, you come off more so as a troll, than anything else.

 

When it comes down to it, all I ask is to actually be mature in discussing things, and if you can't do that, then YES I'd like you to keep quiet, lol.

 

I'm all for talking about what's wrong, just do so with a brain instead of spinning as you do so offten. I think about what's wrong all of the time, and I'll openly discuss it with any of you if you can do so without resorting to being childish.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

RRR lay off DH. Why do you consistantly bother him? So he's not willing to complain that the WWE right now sucks majorly. Doesn't mean you have to continually harass him for it. So he doesn't think the company is as awful as we claim it to be. It's not a crime or anything.

 

Yes, I know I made a comment about Downhome ordering it, yet I was only half joking. But some of the comments made in this thread were a lot more fucking inane than mine. Particularly your last post RRR. WTF makes you seem like God? All you do is come in this thread and REPEATLY start up your bitchfest about how God awful the WWE is.

 

As I said to Superstar in the OAOAST forum, if it's SO God damned awful and you've found something better, WHY continually hash up to people about it's awfulness. I mean, you can point out the bad stuff, I'm not after you about that, but for fuck's sake, stop trying to bait people into continual lame ass arguement of "oh my gawd, you still watch this". As I said before, it's not a fucking crime for DH to like the WWE and still find things to enjoy about it.

 

Shit, I liked this Smackdown that just past. Does that mean I'm also another "person who doesn't want to 'think' about it."? Shit, let's one up that. I was thinking of purchasing Judgement Day myself. [sarcasm]Oooo, now I really am one of those people that "don't think".[/sarcasm]

 

RRR if you wanna bring up the bad points about the WWE, then I won't mind. If you wanna contniually proceed to flame people for supporting what they still enjoy, then get the fuck out of here.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Proof that Downhome doesn't like negative things.

 

I'm also more in favor for this if it helps everyone focus their negative energy here in this thread instead of everywhere else. 

 

Proof that Downhome encourages wwe haters to boycott so they won't talk about it and put their time elsewhere

 

So do it, don't even tune in at the begining, don't even talk about it.

 

Or, like I said, just bitch if that is what helps you make it through the day, heh. I don't understand how you can bitch though if you never watch the shows. If I hated WWE so much I would just quit following it totally and just live off of in great indy's accross the nation untill I heard it was starting to improve to your standards

 

If you do not feel that you can get the casual fans involved, then focus your energy on making it known that NWA TNA has fans. Work your ass off to help THEM get a TV deal, or another fed of the sort.

 

If you really want to bitch, do as I've suggested and bitch at the people who REALLY matter, that being the casual fans who give a shit about what people think on the internet. Go and actually try to do something instead of complaining to me, recruit the casual fans to boycott it, that's the only way this will fucking matter.

 

Proof that Downhome is talking out of his ass when dealing with this issue.

 

By the way, I don't think that ANYTHING we as fans do will ever change anything. That will not happen untill the people on the inside, the workers, writers, those in the office, etc... decide to finally stand up to Vince and Co. and THEY decide to do something about it.

 

Putting words in your mouth? I don't have to, you say it all right here. You encouraged the people who bitched about watching the WWE to stop watching because you thought that would mean they would stop bitching - that didn't happen. Your goal isn't to stop poster name calling, your goal is to stop WWE name calling.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

RRR lay off DH. Why do you consistantly bother him?

 

I am laying on him? I don't constantly bother him. I didn't once say a bad thing about him in this thread until he started to talk out of his ass (again). All I did was point out that the reason people were going on about him was because he started a thread that specifically said he was ordering the JD PPV. I didn't even post a thing in that aformentioned thread. You'd think that someone who "consistently bothers him" would be, you know, more consistent? But don't let facts and logic get in the way of whatever you are trying to do here.

 

So he's not willing to complain that the WWE right now sucks majorly. Doesn't mean you have to continually harass him for it.

 

Again, I don't see this "continually harass" thing.

 

So he doesn't think the company is as awful as we claim it to be. It's not a crime or anything.

 

You're right... Is it a crime to ask him why he doesn't think the company is as awful as we claim it to be?

 

Yes, I know I made a comment about Downhome ordering it, yet I was only half joking. But some of the comments made in this thread were a lot more fucking inane than mine. Particularly your last post RRR. WTF makes you seem like God?

 

Me creating the heavens and the earth? I dunno, nothing I guess. Nor was it ever my intention to give the impression that I was god. Hell, I'm agnostic, I don't even officially believe in God. Where are you getting this all from? Again, don't let facts and logic get in the way...

 

All you do is come in this thread and REPEATLY start up your bitchfest about how God awful the WWE is.

 

You mean forum... right? And I posted some semi-positive things about the WWE today.. So this "all" thing doesn't work.

 

As I said to Superstar in the OAOAST forum, if it's SO God damned awful and you've found something better, WHY continually hash up to people about it's awfulness.

 

Why not? Jeez, there's a thread a page or two back where I already had this convo. Go read that.

 

I mean, you can point out the bad stuff, I'm not after you about that, but for fuck's sake, stop trying to bait people into continual lame ass arguement of "oh my gawd, you still watch this".

 

Why is it wrong to press people on the issue of why they watch? It should be very easy for them to justify it and they should be more than happy to explain. If someone asked me why I liked MMA I would gladly explain to them why.

 

As I said before, it's not a fucking crime for DH to like the WWE and still find things to enjoy about it.

 

Nor did I say it was. And it's not a crime to ask him why - ESPECIALLY when he puts himself in the position to be asked like the "I'm ordering the Judgement day PPV" thread.

 

Shit, I liked this Smackdown that just past. Does that mean I'm also another "person who doesn't want to 'think' about it."?

 

It depends. You're gonna have to gimme more to work with. What made it good? Why did you like it?

 

Shit, let's one up that. I was thinking of purchasing Judgement Day myself. [sarcasm]Oooo, now I really am one of those people that "don't think".[/sarcasm]

 

Yep. You are. Judgement Day is not worth the time or the price. If you thought about that you would realize that.

 

RRR if you wanna bring up the bad points about the WWE, then I won't mind.

 

Good, I'll hold you to this.

 

If you wanna contniually proceed to flame people for supporting what they still enjoy, then get the fuck out of here.

 

I don't really see this 'contniually flamming', you're gonna have to help me out. I mean, if I am and there's something I can do to fix it, then by all means show me the error of my ways... I'm just not seeing it. Maybe my definition of flaming is wrong... are you flaming me right now?

[Guest Lightning Flik]

Firstly, let me apologize for coming off a little more vendictive than I intended. That's not how I meant to be. I'm just sick and tired of everyone bitching about everyone. You caught the brunt of my pissed offness (which just doesn't stem from this) because it seemingly is every single forum I've been too lately, everyone is almost going to verbal wars with everyone else. I mean, I don't mind people not getting along, but for fuck's sakes, I continually see a thread pop up and half way through it two people start a verbal joust in it.

 

Secondly, I just meant to stop it with trying to argue with DH. You ain't going to change his opinion. Simple as that.

 

Yes, I know that's pretty much all I should have said, but I complicate things easily.

[Guest Memphis]

Can't we all just get along?

 

No, i didn't think so either.

[Guest tank_abbott]

*Sigh*

 

The WWE has been a lot worse in the past, $$$ wise and match quality wise...

 

See 1993.... Oh Virgil vs Giant Gonzalez and 4 squash matches..WOO HOO I can't wait!!!

 

1995: Diesil vs Sid...BDCool vs Sid....Bigelow...Tatanka...etc..... Bret fueding with a Pirate, and Denist and a King...

 

1996: Fake versions of former talent running around (Razor and Diesil) although that was a lawsuit related talent move....

 

1999... pretty shitty mid-low card overall talent... Droz... Road Dog... Gangrel etc... Most PPV's from that period I've found to be pretty unwatchable...

 

I'll prepare my flame guard for the negitive reaction this will get...

 

I've been watching since 85... I've seen much worse...

[Guest Goodear]

Jesus Christ...

 

You know something people, I haven't ordered a pay-per-view in over five years. I always figured if they were good I would purchase them when they came out on video. Starrcade '97 taught me that lesson. But I never, EVER went out of my way to call people stupid because they do. Why? Because I don't freaking care and neither should you.

 

"Oh gosh golly darn, Vince won't ever change unless we make him!" Bull. Vince is never going to change and everyone better key into that fact pretty damn quick. If you want better wrestling out of the WWE, you most likely are never going to see it.

 

And this "Vince hates me" stuff is just stupid. Vince doesn't hate you, he just doesn't care about you. Guess what, National companies never care about you specifically. Do you think Wall Mart gives a damn about what you think? McDonald's? Coke? Fuck no! They aim towards a larger audience. You can try to work to your hardcore niche fans if you want, but that always leaves the company at a regional level at best.

 

Now if you want to see someone else take over the reigns and create a better company, fine. Have fun. You like PRIDE, fine... talk about PRIDE all you want. Push TNA as much as you want. Go ROH! Whooo! But this constant mindless bitching is fucking tired and its wearing out the people that actually want to talk about actual topics beyond Triple H and hosses. God forbid anyone want to be happy that the WWE signed a talent like Ultimo Dragon. Let's shoot him!

[Guest Downhome]

Once again you pick what I say to make it sound like what you want. Hell, some of that isn't even what I said in this thread. It's sad really, as it seems you are so obsessed over me that you keep a notebook of everything I've said...

 

1) It isn't that I hate negative things, even I bitch and complain on here when I see something I dislike, like Nash/HHH. I do NOT like to see flaming and childish trollish antics like you bring across all of the time. THAT is the only negative things I wish to be gone from here.

 

2) I don't care if you post here, if you can talk about everything like an adult. I also find it hard to discuss certain things with those who don't even WATCH the shows, and then go and just flame about what you've heard just in order to piss people off. Once again, if you can't discuss things without resorting to name calling, flaming, or just downright flame baiting, then I pity any of you who do that.

 

3) That isn't me talking out of my ass, it's true. The fans will NEVER change what Vince thinks, unless you guys get the CASUAL fans to join you. Bithing to me and others on HERE is pointless, it will never help your cause.

 

...that will be the last time I respond to you untill you mature and grow up. This thread was going GREAT untill you decided to once again show your ass and ruin it. Check out the thread from before you posted, and realize that people CAN talk about things without acting like you do, it might help you to actually see examples. It can be done, contrary to your beliefs.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

*Sigh*

 

The WWE has been a lot worse in the past, $$$ wise and match quality wise...

 

See 1993.... Oh Virgil vs Giant Gonzalez and 4 squash matches..WOO HOO I can't wait!!!

 

1995: Diesil vs Sid...BDCool vs Sid....Bigelow...Tatanka...etc..... Bret fueding with a Pirate, and Denist and a King...

 

1996: Fake versions of former talent running around (Razor and Diesil) although that was a lawsuit related talent move....

 

1999... pretty shitty mid-low card overall talent... Droz... Road Dog... Gangrel etc... Most PPV's from that period I've found to be pretty unwatchable...

 

I'll prepare my flame guard for the negitive reaction this will get...

 

I've been watching since 85... I've seen much worse...

Well, you did have to resort to the cliched "it has been worse, it can be worse, I've watched for x years and I'm not stopping now".

 

But this constant mindless bitching is fucking tired and its wearing out the people that actually want to talk about actual topics beyond Triple H and hosses.

 

This isn't mindless. They're real grievances and if you consider it mindless then I'd have a hard time taking any of your posts seriously - I could dismiss it as 'mindless' too.

 

God forbid anyone want to be happy that the WWE signed a talent like Ultimo Dragon. Let's shoot him!

 

That's not the issue. DH said he'd order the PPV for Ultimo Dragon. Now that it's known that he's not showing, it's now because "it's only $17.95". What is it?

[Guest Downhome]

God forbid anyone want to be happy that the WWE signed a talent like Ultimo Dragon. Let's shoot him!

 

That's not the issue. DH said he'd order the PPV for Ultimo Dragon. Now that it's known that he's not showing, it's now because "it's only $17.95". What is it?

I never said that was my ONLY reason for ordering in the first place...

 

1) I have free money I will not miss, it's only $17.95 anyway, heh.

 

2) The ladder match.

 

3) The battle royal.

 

4) Maybe something else they add this week, who knows.

 

5) Once again, I just like watching the PPVs because it's something of an event where I live, good or bad shows.

 

...Ultimo was just a HUGE plus and made me want to see it even more. Sure I wanted to see him on there, but if I don't then oh well. Who knows, we may still see him, no one knows untill the day of the show.

[Guest Goodear]

Well, you did have to resort to the cliched "it has been worse, it can be worse, I've watched for x years and I'm not stopping now".

 

I have to admit that its hard for me to complain about A-Train's work when I've seen The Warlord. But yeah, the discussion of the WWE is the worst it's ever been is insubstancial considering that it only thing that really matters that the show isn't good.

 

This isn't mindless. They're real grievances and if you consider it mindless then I'd have a hard time taking any of your posts seriously - I could dismiss it as 'mindless' too.

 

It's mindless in the degree that sometimes around here, its almost Pavlovian. If you want to discuss anything in the WWE folder, you're probably going to have to wade three posts that are just one sentance with either hoss, quad or -UH in there somewhere. Yeah, those things are a major problem with the WWE, but they overshadow discussion on the board just by the shear number of people that insist on saying the same things every three threads.

 

That's not the issue. DH said he'd order the PPV for Ultimo Dragon. Now that it's known that he's not showing, it's now because "it's only $17.95". What is it?

 

The major issue seems to me that if you like anything that WWE does, you're an "apologist" and deserve to have whole sections of haters talk down to you. Downhome has never said "OMG WWE RULES YOU IN EVERYWAY" ... he likes parts about the show enough to order a pay per view. Why does this bother anyone? I mean I'm not ordering the show, I like the signing of Ultimo Dragon, I don't like Scott Steiner... this makes me a lapdog?

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

If you do leave, you should start a thread saying how you don't like posting here anymore and you'll never come back.

 

Just like someone else.

When I leave I'll just fucking leave.

Don't let the door hit ya in your Greenberg loving mark ass.

[King Cucaracha 0]

This is sad.  Why are we all bashing Downhome?

Because he wants to get Judgement Day, and the WWE haters want ANY excuse to whine at him. Because he doesn't agree with them...he 'isn't one of the sheep'. Oh my god how dare he! Case in point...

 

Don't let the door hit ya in your Greenberg loving mark ass.

 

Oh..my..fucking..god. You like Goldberg...WAH...I hate you now. What are you 7? So he likes a wrestler most hate...so what. I don't HATE Big Show. I don't like him, but I'm not gonna say 'Oh, I fucking hate Big Show cause he's a hoss'. Does that make me a mark?

 

That's not the issue. DH said he'd order the PPV for Ultimo Dragon. Now that it's known that he's not showing, it's now because "it's only $17.95". What is it?

 

 

The major issue seems to me that if you like anything that WWE does, you're an "apologist" and deserve to have whole sections of haters talk down to you. Downhome has never said "OMG WWE RULES YOU IN EVERYWAY" ... he likes parts about the show enough to order a pay per view. Why does this bother anyone? I mean I'm not ordering the show, I like the signing of Ultimo Dragon, I don't like Scott Steiner... this makes me a lapdog?

 

My point exactly. Leave the guy alone and go bitch into the mirror. That way you'll get a captive agreeing audience.

 

And do we NEED a reason to order Judgement Day. Do we have to run this reason past you just incase you don't like it.

 

 

Oh, and to everyone who's like 'I hate WWE, but if you don't that's cool'...guys like RRR from what I saw in his last post, I don't mean you guys. I mean the guys who flame people for liking WWE. Before ya start getting mad at me. I'm having a go at the guys who can't allow people to like anything about the WWE without us being wrong.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Once again you pick what I say to make it sound like what you want. Hell, some of that isn't even what I said in this thread. It's sad really, as it seems you are so obsessed over me that you keep a notebook of everything I've said...

 

Not really, I just went back to the May 5th thread and took what you said from there because what you said here was contradicting it.

 

1) It isn't that I hate negative things, even I bitch and complain on here when I see something I dislike, like Nash/HHH. I do NOT like to see flaming and childish trollish antics like you bring across all of the time. THAT is the only negative things I wish to be gone from here.

 

Flaming? Trollish? I don't see it. Help me out here. You said 'negative energy' - that encompasses wwe speak. On many occasions (I have listed some above) you have told people (the ones who are anti-WWE) in one way or another to stop watching and stop talking about it.

 

2) I don't care if you post here, if you can talk about everything like an adult. I also find it hard to discuss certain things with those who don't even WATCH the shows, and then go and just flame about what you've heard just in order to piss people off. Once again, if you can't discuss things without resorting to name calling, flaming, or just downright flame baiting, then I pity any of you who do that.

 

What is your definition of flaming? I didn't call you a single name in my lil post up there (you tend to name call A LOT) and that's *the worst* I have been on this forum. I'm not really getting where all of this bs is coming from. 99% of my negative posts on this board are toward the WWE - the rest come when some putz tries to talk about how I'm so negative and rather than discuss my points starts to flame ME.

 

3) That isn't me talking out of my ass, it's true. The fans will NEVER change what Vince thinks, unless you guys get the CASUAL fans to join you. Bithing to me and others on HERE is pointless, it will never help your cause.

 

Downhome sez: You can't do anything to change the WWE - only the people from within can change it.

 

Downhome sez: I don't like the negative energy in these forums. (To which he then makes a "let's talk about the positive things about the WWE:)

 

Downhome THEN sez: Don't watch the shows, lead by example. Don't even talk about them.

 

Downhome sez: I don't understand how people can bitch and not watch the shows.

 

Downhome also sez: Put all your energy in helping other promotions get a tv deal/help convince the casual fans to not watch the WWE (dispite believing that only people in the WWE can change it.)

 

Downhome sez: If it gets you away from being negative and complaining to me then I am all for it.

 

...that will be the last time I respond to you untill you mature and grow up. This thread was going GREAT untill you decided to once again show your ass and ruin it. Check out the thread from before you posted, and realize that people CAN talk about things without acting like you do, it might help you to actually see examples. It can be done, contrary to your beliefs.

 

Actually I'd say that my first post was one of the more reasonable ones up to that point with no name calling whatsoever. This thread had you bullshitting Sakura acting like you cared about the cause - which you clearly don't as evidenced from above, your goal is not to get change in the WWE because you don't think that we as fans can create change, your goal is to call all the wwe haters doing something else other than bitching about the wwe on this board - all I did was call you on it. But you go ahead and ignore me because I'm being "childish" and all I ever do is flame - though I'd say that my response here is perfectly acceptible.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Jesus Christ...

 

Yes? Man, people keep getting me confused for biblical folk.

 

You know something people, I haven't ordered a pay-per-view in over five years. I always figured if they were good I would purchase them when they came out on video. Starrcade '97 taught me that lesson. But I never, EVER went out of my way to call people stupid because they do. Why? Because I don't freaking care and neither should you.

 

But he was the one who brought it up. I don't get the outrage here. He didn't have to say "I'm going to buy the PPV because of this and this and this" he could have just kept it to himself and discussed it when it happened - but he announced it to the board so whatever comes from that he should deal with.

 

"Oh gosh golly darn, Vince won't ever change unless we make him!" Bull. Vince is never going to change and everyone better key into that fact pretty damn quick. If you want better wrestling out of the WWE, you most likely are never going to see it.

 

I went on the law about a month ago and talked about how the WWE keeps screwing their fans and didn't know what they want and how it's insulting. A week or two later they came out with those surveys. This is not the first time something I said on the law just magically changed on WWE television. Last year about this time I bitched about Michael Cole and how his announcing was so horrible - guess what? Cole immediately got better. Coincidences? Sure. But I've seen a lot of coincidnces like that that leads me to believe that yes, change is possible. It's just about makin noise and makin it count.

 

And this "Vince hates me" stuff is just stupid. Vince doesn't hate you, he just doesn't care about you.

 

I'd say that he has a certain amount of contempt for the fans. Be it because they didn't support the XFL or because they're all leaving him now. I can't really explain 'Raw X' without thinking that Vince intentionally made it suck... ditto with the Invasion.... because these were foolproof plans. He had to go out of his way to make these things suck.

 

Guess what, National companies never care about you specifically. Do you think Wall Mart gives a damn about what you think? McDonald's? Coke? Fuck no! They aim towards a larger audience.

 

But they don't work like this: "How can we TRICK the fans into buying our product". That's what Vince does. Had McDonalds or Walmart or Coke been in the WWE's position they would not have botched the Invasion angle because they know that customer satisfaction is key and that if the consumer doesn't think he/she is getting value that that customer will leave their establishment.

 

You can try to work to your hardcore niche fans if you want, but that always leaves the company at a regional level at best.

 

“Long-term customer satisfaction leads to the retention of customers and generates substantial profits. It is more profitable for firms to keep customers than to be constantly seeking new ones. Developing satisfied customers is therefore an important way to meet the organization’s performance objectives.” (Sommers/Barnes: Fundamentals of marketing, 9th Canadian Edition)

 

Now if you want to see someone else take over the reigns and create a better company, fine. Have fun. You like PRIDE, fine... talk about PRIDE all you want. Push TNA as much as you want. Go ROH! Whooo! But this constant mindless bitching is fucking tired and its wearing out the people that actually want to talk about actual topics beyond Triple H and hosses.

 

How is it mindless bitching? We talk about what the WWE puts out - which just happens to be mindless "entertainment". The reason there are no topics beyond HHH and Hosses is because that's all the WWE puts out. Everything else is just burying guys in one way or another.

 

God forbid anyone want to be happy that the WWE signed a talent like Ultimo Dragon. Let's shoot him!

 

I was initially happy he got signed... then I thought about it for a second... He's screwed. If you don't think that will happen then you aren't thinking. He's japanese, the only recognized Japanese champion wasn't even Japanese. Vince has a long history of burying Japanese workers and portraying them in stereotypical roles and angles. Then there is the cruiserweight distinction - if the wind blows a certain way Vince will feel like pushing cruiserweights.... that will last for a few weeks and then they are getting thrown against ring posts and knocked around the ring by big men. That's Vince, that's his nature. The question is not "will Ultimo get buried" it's "when will Ultimo get buried." I like Ultimo, he is one of the most smoothest workers I have ever seen, I don't want to see him become Big Shows baseball bat. The issue is not "shooting" Downhome because he's happy that Ultimo is coming to the WWE - it's more so the fact that he thinks the WWE is going to use him well dispite history and logic clearly showing him another thing and he is ignoring it.

[Guest Coffey]

Billy likes to drink soda.

[King Cucaracha 0]

If you don't think that will happen then you aren't thinking. He's japanese, the only recognized Japanese champion wasn't even Japanese. Vince has a long history of burying Japanese workers and portraying them in stereotypical roles and angles.

To be honest, it's hard to call Yoko a recognised champ at times. Sure he held the belt for over half a year...but it's not as if he was a prestigious champion. First there was the Wrestlemania IX stuff...best not to go into that, else you will suffer brain bleed. The way he won it at the King of the Ring wasn't much better. From there it was ok...but in all that was the Taker/Yoko Rumble casket match...and the stuff at the end. They pushed the guy to the moon at the start, but screwed him over eventually. Not to mention the Summerslam 1996 Free for All match.

 

I still hope Dragon might be different...but then again, I am beginning to lose hope. But it won't last...I think that's for certain...

[Guest Memphis]

I think Yoko was a very important champion in WWF history. Dispite sucking, he was a mega-draw for the company and reeled in the cash when he was promoted at a show.

 

Accounts for something.

 

M

[Guest tank_abbott]

Adds Memphis to people to ignore list....

 

Eyebrow you have company...

 

Eyebrow..Memphis...Memphis...Eyebrow...I'll leave now so you may chat amongst your selves...