LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 12, 2003 How recognizable a name is HHH outside wrestling? Non fans may be able to place him as a wrestler, but would the even know what he looks like? He doesn't make many talk show appearances or tv show appearances. Is HHH even at the Rock/Austin/Hogan level? When Angle was champ I remember him making appearances during his first run. I've met more marks who knew who Angle was than knew who HHH was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 12, 2003 You think "they're" booking him like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Hate HHH? Here's an idea....get over it. No one likes to hear it but as long as Triple H can keep his spot he's keeping it. I personally don't hate him. He actually entertains me. What's going on wrong is that they're trying too hard. It's EXACTLY what my friend did with Triple H in EWR. HHH started losing overness so my friend put him over Shawn, Hurricane, RVD, and the retiring Bret Hart. The over he gained only helped stabilize what he had lost and the over of everyone else didn't suffer. Then he stopped trying and focused on someone else and Triple H got over without all the effort. The point is, Triple H still has the goods. He can make you hate him more than anyone else and he can bring drama. Problem is, they're booking him as a face yet he's supposed to be a heel and he's confused in his role. Right now the only problems I see on RAW is that everyone below him and his flavor of the month are pretty much just lost in the shuffle. Why should we get over it? It is a problem. No one on RAW is going anywhere. No one is advancing. Sooner or later there will be no one left for HHH to go against on RAW cause he's beat them all. Then he'll probably go to Smackdown and the process will start again until the whole roster is below him. Then they'll just bring someone else in. It's a vicious cycle. Then he'll be married to Steph in October and once Vince steps down then what happens? I think we have every right to dislike him. People may have had politics in the past, but none of them had the opportunity to be married to the heir to the company. If Vince is smart he'll wait until HHH retires to step down, but if there is any truth to the rumors of Steph and Shane taking over and asking Vince to step down it may happen sonner than we think. I have watched wrestling for almost 10 years now and most of that time I've watched the WWF/WWE. I also watched WCW and I saw what politics gone wrong can do and I don't wanna watch another wrestling company go down the toilet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MillenniumMan831 Report post Posted May 12, 2003 The best thing to do is when Triple-Juice comes out, just sit down and don't say a word. That is what I did last time I went to Raw, not do a damn thing. Me too . . . of course that's pretty easy when he's squashing Maven for five brutal minutes. I even remember having a conversation with my buddy where neither of us had to raise our voices at all to hear each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Steph and HHH will get put incharge, not Shane. If Vince wanted Shane to take the reigns, he wouldn't be president of digital media, or whatever his role is. There are too many things stacked in Steph/HHH's favour against Shane... Not that Shane would be anything good, but I'm just sayin... he won't be put in the position to stink it up in the first place. HHH is at Rock/Austin/Hogans level in the WWE. What is known to the mainstream media doesn't matter because the mainstream media doesn't watch wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Yes- because everyone here just loves to bitch about that damn Kurt Angle. How come no one bitches about him- he's a tippety top guy. Or The Rock? Again- not many people hate him. People hate Triple H for a reason- not because he's on top. People bitched about Rock plenty before his heel turn. And Angle isn't a 'tippity-top' guy on the level of Austin/Rock/HHH. Not yet.. They bitched at him for being stale. Rock then did a complete 180 of his character in response. I consider Angle to be at that level but it's all a matter of opinion I guess I disagree that Rock did a 180. He's still way too much of a comedic character. He was getting full face pops again in just a few weeks after his turn. As for angle, it depends how you define a tippity-top guy a guess. He has rarely been called upon to headline a PPV (he's had some world title matches on PPVs, but on how many was his match the main selling point, very few), while HHH, Austin, and Rock have headlined dozens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Angle is above Jericho and Benoit, but below HHH and Rock. They took the focus off why the fans hated Rock - Rock betraying them for Hollywood - and just made him really cocky and put him in skits that focused on his best quality: his ability to entertain. Stupid, Stupid, WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 13, 2003 The Rock last summer was anything but comedic. Most of his attempts at humour were complete failures. He also became more of a regular guy rather then The Rock. When he came back in January he turned into a complete asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 13, 2003 But he was an entertaining asshole... which is what endeared him to fans in the first place! They didn't nearly play up his hollywood connection as much as they should have. But thats the WWE for you: everything half-assed... cause lord knows if you do anything to the max then the fans might like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 HHH is at Rock/Austin/Hogans level in the WWE. What is known to the mainstream media doesn't matter because the mainstream media doesn't watch wrestling. But what do we mean when we say Rock/Austin/Hogan levels? Has HHH drawn very well? Brought a lot of money to the WWE? Brought fans in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 It's EXACTLY what my friend did with Triple H in EWR. HHH started losing overness so my friend put him over Shawn, Hurricane, RVD, and the retiring Bret Hart. The over he gained only helped stabilize what he had lost and the over of everyone else didn't suffer. Then he stopped trying and focused on someone else and Triple H got over without all the effort. I can't believe you're presenting a video game as evidence of what should be done with a real-life wrestling promotion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Yes, he has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 13, 2003 In terms of status in the WWE - HHH is at that level. That is the peak. Let's just call it the 5 championships level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I think in terms of status in the WWE, when it was at it's peak. Austin was #1, Rock was #2, and HHH was #3, cause he was the #1 heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 It's EXACTLY what my friend did with Triple H in EWR. HHH started losing overness so my friend put him over Shawn, Hurricane, RVD, and the retiring Bret Hart. The over he gained only helped stabilize what he had lost and the over of everyone else didn't suffer. Then he stopped trying and focused on someone else and Triple H got over without all the effort. I can't believe you're presenting a video game as evidence of what should be done with a real-life wrestling promotion. I'm sorry because you talking about writing e-mails that said "HHH=X-Pac" we're so much better and less juvenile. If you read the post you'd see that what happened in the game and in real life are pretty much the same exact thing. They built up everyone only job to him and the guy losing never loses any heat and Triple H never gains any. As to why you should get over it, Rudo has said it and I said it. Triple H has his spot and as long as he has it, he'll be in the same place and nothing will change with him. Moan and complain but it won't get you anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted May 13, 2003 "X-Pac heat" seems to be a pretty common and well-understood phrase in the IWC, denoting not heel heat but "Get off my TV, I'm bored with you" heat. I think we should start a letter-writing, email-sending and sign-carrying campaign where we simply say "HHH = X-Pac." The theory being, we need to find a way to tell WWE that we're really, honestly bored with the character. We're not just giving him heel heat. Do I expect it to accomplish anything? No, not really. But it certainly couldn't hurt. Worst case scenario, we get another 20-minute promo where Trips mocks the IWC on Raw. Telling them we think HHH = X-Pac wouldn't help anything. WWE would just take that as HHH getting good heel heat. You have grown strong in the ways of the HHHate.... seriously WWE could screw up a wet dream right now LPYC so I think you are right-uh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Memphis Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Why hate the guy? Look at it this way - Triple H is a fucking roid freak. Looking at his size NOW he is either going to die of a violent heart attack within the next 5 years or his muscles are going to completly rip to shreds due to how thin they will become due to the steroid abuse. Fact of the matter is, hate him or love him he's not going to be around for much longer. His physical state declines every week I see him. I can personally spot each week how he is continually deteriorating at a rapid pace. I don't want Triple H dead, but I think HE does. Without truly realising it, he's killing himself more and more everytime he sinks a needle into his veins, and unfortunately he is going to end up like the British Bulldog did. Triple H may be a disease to some, but he is his own worst enemy. The more work he takes on, which is what he WANTS, the more chance he'll rip his leg off and never be able to walk again, yet alone WRESTLE. M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Actually he'll be around longer than you think. You make it sound like he has months left. I doubt that. I'm sure he has a couple of years left atleast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Memphis Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I don't deny it may take years before his body finally gives out on him. However he tore his quad severely back when he was thought only to have a little too much bulk on him. Look at him NOW and you'll realise why I can see this walking train wreck to start derailing sometime in the near future. In other words, one way or another he's fucked. Karma sucks, don't it? M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted May 13, 2003 We should chant "X-pac sucks" during all of HHH's matches and appearances. That would fuck with their heads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted May 13, 2003 If everyone went to the concession stands during Triple H's segments, it would just be interpreted as him spiking merchandise and/or food sales, and thus further justify his position. And even if he tore his quad into a thousand tiny pieces tomorrow or dropped dead of complications from his use of "supplements" tommorrow, [or got real arrogant/dumb and broke Stephie's heart], it wouldn't be the panacea to the WWE's ills we sometimes like to think it would be around here. Triple H is gone. Then what? Nash is still around on Raw (HBK, too). Hogan and Undertaker are still around on Smackdown. Vince and Steph are still holding all the cards at the booking poker table. The writers will still be as they are (which is to say either legally braindead and creatively bankrupt, or more bound up and shackled by McMahon-instilled restrictions than the average leather slave). Personally I don't know what can be done in the way of fan uprisings to force WWE to change for the better creatively speaking. Sit on our hands and be dead silent during HHH (and Nash, and McMahons, et al). Loud boring chants? Waves of fans standing up and turning their backs to the action [i.e. refusing to watch and making it clear that is what is going on; people going to the bathroom could just really have to go potty.] Maybe a combination all of them. And even then, the problem remains this: we're still buying those tickets, and hence Vince McMahon is still making money off the status quo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Problem is you'll never get the fans to all do it. No HHH being gone wouldn't end all the problems, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he still is one of the problems. He's one of the more visable problems. A lot of the other problems most fans don't know about cause they're behind the scenes. HHH is a problem that affects what the fans see. RAW is filled with a roster of wrestlers that most of which are not credible contenders to HHH's title since he's beaten them all and they all have gone down to the midcard hell or lower. Goldberg is about the only one left and WWE wants Goldberg to win, but HHH doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Memphis Report post Posted May 13, 2003 My argument was addressing those anti-HHH in their opinions. I was merely pointing out that they should really just chill, because he isn't going to be around for all that much longer if he continues to live his current lifestyle. HHH is only part of the problem. I agree with BW there. M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites