Who gets unfairly shit on the most by smarks?

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

The Rock has taken way more crap than anyone who has drawn that much money, been that entertaining, and put on that many good matches deserves. All the regular stuff used to bash guys on the net (old, can't work a good match, hoss, doesn't draw, crowd doesn't care, etc.) doesn't work, so people have to resort to nitpicking the smallest little stuff to bash him.

[Guest The Tino Standard]

How is the rookie bashing wrong? Did we bash WWE Rookies like Benoit or Jericho or Eddie for not being up to par in the ring? Oh yeah, that's because they actually knew how to wrestle and had experience! *slaps head* I forgot. "My bad".

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

What?

 

The WWE is the 'big show' is it not? Thousands of wrestlers are killing themselves to get in, some are MUCH MORE talented than the 'bodies' whom are already there and they will probably never get a shot - so why is it not reasonable to hold everyone up to a certain standard?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I bashed Rock for getting stale at one point and I used to get annoyed deeply by his Sharpshooter, but he was great just recently

[Guest The Tino Standard]

Jericho, Benoit, et. al. were putting on five-star level matches in WCW. Calling them "rookies" when they entered WWE is like Major League Baseball trying to justify Ichiro winning a "Rookie of the Year" award.

 

They're all just fully-established talents coming in from different leagues.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I personally liked Jericho better in WCW than I have in the WWF/WWE. He was pure gold back then. That probably has to do more with the writing though.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Yeah, but they were new to the WWE. Just like the "OVW Rookies" are.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

OVW guys usually only have 1-2 years under their belts. Jericho, Benoit, etc. had a lot of foreign work and indy work under their belts before even going to WCW.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Yep.

 

And?

[Guest Redhawk]

How is the rookie bashing wrong? Did we bash WWE Rookies like Benoit or Jericho or Eddie for not being up to par in the ring? Oh yeah, that's because they actually knew how to wrestle and had experience! *slaps head* I forgot. "My bad".

 

I don't really get some of the Edge hate, or the Albert hate (ok, I *do* get that), I don't like the Hogan hate but I don't think it's unfair.

Eddie and Benoit had been wrestling for like 10 years before they came to WWE.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Yep.

 

And?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

What do you mean yep and? They weren't rookies when they came to the WWE. No one looked at Hogan as a rookie when he switched to WCW.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Ok, and these guys aren't rookies either. My *point* is that they shouldn't be looked at as rookies, they should be looked at as WWE Wrestlers. I can see how it's unfair to criticize them in OVW, or elsewhere in the indys, but this is the big time. This is where guys LIKE Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho spent 10 years getting to - so I see no reason to hold them at a lower standard.

[Guest Sakura]

I don't care about fair. I care about watching good TV. The rookies are not good tv. Period.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Oh I wish you would have said something earlier RRR I've been arguing with you this whole time when I wasn't even totally opposed to your view, but I thought you were arguing that they were rookies.

[Guest Redhawk]

The OVW guys are rookies, because OVW isn't considered the "major leagues." It's the minor leagues. WCW, ECW, NWA:TNA, Japan and Mexico, on the other hand, are considered "major league" and therefore anyone who comes from there to WWE isn't considered a rookie.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Rookies = 1st Year Wrestlers.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I think it depends on how many years of work they've done. A lot of OVW guys are relatively new and that's why they're conisdered rookies.

[Guest Banky]

Triple H's in-ring work isn't as horrible as many make it out to be. He's not good either. I'd take him before spotty guys like the Hurricane and Shannon Moore.

 

Triple H simply needs a really good opponent to make him watchable. But his basics aren't that bad, and if he started to put people over again I'd like him. But he doesn't, so fuck him. And he doesn't work with anyone good, so fuck him. But I think he could be carried or inspired to do better against people above his caliber.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think RVD's "no-selling" is shit on unfairly. The WWE style dictates all wrestlers to no-sell, and quite frankly the WWE MARKS can care less if RVD's leg was worked on. They came to see his "high flying" so that is what will make them happy. I don't think it is his fault if he is told to do the match a certain way. Add to that, that just about half the main event roster no-sells and hardly gets any criticism for it.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

My take on the RVD selling thing is that he doesn't have backup moves to do when his leg has been worked on. It's more of a moveset problem. If his opponent works his leg then half his moveset would be gone if he sold it properly.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

It seems like RVD gets his leg worked on every match. You'd think someone would notice this is a bad idea, but this is WWE and everything sucks.

 

And the rookies, to be blunt, are fucking awful. You can say "Well, Orton can improve, he has a lot of potential", but is it too much to ask that he just stay off my tv untill he's actually good? Improve somewhere without a TV deal. I would really appreciate it.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Batista...hell, he's being wished injury by some idiots! No-one deserves that.

 

Orton, Edge, A-Train...Big Show. He's 500 pounds guys, he's not supposed to be much faster than he is.

 

Goldberg without a doubt. Apparantly he's a career killer...of Bret Hart...err...erm...fuck Goldberg. Yeah, how original guys. He's finally being booked properly now, but now because he's not on Judgement Day he's a failure? Yet Nash is on the PPV...he CAN'T be a failure. Jeez.

 

Vince. Need I say more.

 

And the Los Guerreros gimmick is pretty hated by some, for being 'racist' against Hispanics. I enjoy it, and the Back the Mack angle, but I'm not racist because of it.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Batista...hell, he's being wished injury by some idiots! No-one deserves that.

 

Orton, Edge, A-Train...Big Show. He's 500 pounds guys, he's not supposed to be much faster than he is.

 

Goldberg without a doubt. Apparantly he's a career killer...of Bret Hart...err...erm...fuck Goldberg. Yeah, how original guys. He's finally being booked properly now, but now because he's not on Judgement Day he's a failure? Yet Nash is on the PPV...he CAN'T be a failure. Jeez.

 

Vince. Need I say more.

 

And the Los Guerreros gimmick is pretty hated by some, for being 'racist' against Hispanics. I enjoy it, and the Back the Mack angle, but I'm not racist because of it.

Who wished injury on Batista? Seriously some people are just pulling stuff out of their asses to accuse us of now.

 

He's 500lbs and can't move faster than that? Maybe he should just stop wrestling? He's a pretty funny guy so maybe he should try his hand at other things. People just don't care about him as a wrestler.

 

No people are saying Nash is a failure cause they're pushing him as a face and fans are booing him when he used to be pretty over. They're not just booing him, they're booing him cause what he's doing sucks. Goldberg I haven't really minded his WWE run so far, but he get's a lot of flack from his general attitude he's shown towards the business in the past plus he's still not getting anywhere near the pops he got in WCW and Goldberg chants just don't seem to last as long anymore. More and more people are just not caring about him.

 

Vince I think deserves all the flack he gets cause he's the one in charge thus making him the one who needs to step up and fix things.

 

And as far as I can see most people on this board LOVE Los Guerreros.

[Guest NoCalMike]

My take on the RVD selling thing is that he doesn't have backup moves to do when his leg has been worked on. It's more of a moveset problem. If his opponent works his leg then half his moveset would be gone if he sold it properly.

I am not arguing that he doesn't sell properly, however what I am trying to point out is that in the WWE match style atmosphere, about the ONLY thing you MUST sell for is a highspot. Everyone no-sells submissions and just either gets right back up, or does a kick-up, or whatever. I just saw a problem that EVERYONE was coming down on RVD for something that most of the roster is ALSO doing. No one seemed to mind that wwe was selling HBK as having a nearly crippled back, yet would do 3 kick-ups a match. Also, if management had a problem, you'd think they would approach RVD and say something to him. I know the smarks demand a higher level of product that 90% of wwe marks, however if the marks bring in the most money, they are going to get their demands met over ours. I guess we are looking for the steady middle-grounds.

[Guest netslob]

The Big Show...yeah i know, he's slow, he'll never be mistaken for Benoit in the talent department, but he's friggin' 7'4", and a legitimate 7' 4", i might add (sorry Andre). given the right push and storyline, he could be huge (no pun intended).

 

the biggest critism against him is his weight, a fact i find particulary amusing coming from such Bastions of Physical Fitness like Good 'ol JR, and Scott "Hmmm, which chin should i shave today" Keith. i guarentee you, in a legitmate fight, the Big Show could kick the shit out of just about anybody, with just brute strength.

[Guest snuffbox]

the hhhate is justifiable...yeah, everyone at the top plays politics but not everybody has buried every FACE opponent to the point that it has badly endangered the company. And Nash and Big Show hate is also ok, they havent earned anything in years if ever.

 

my picks - Hulk Hogan, never brought the workrate anyway but he still draws unbelievable reaction

 

HBK - aside from the politico bullshit, he can still bring it in the ring

 

If a Benoit or a Jericho was at least a legit main eventer I dont think the smarks would be so hard on all the bullshit going on. Is it really that difficult to just plug one workrate guy into a legitamite spot on top?

[Guest MARTYEWR]

I'm going with Sean Waltman here, who, despite neck injuries, can still bring out some good matches whenever he wants to, IMO.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I've always said Big Show is as good as a 500 pound man will be as a professional wrestler. He is fucking fat, and thus should not be given main event roles or world title reigns, but I fail to see how he's the worst. They push him too far, and they push him as a heel. I cannot believe they haven't figured out that the fans would be much readier to accept him as a face in a lower card role. In fact, in the past, they have done.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Batista...hell, he's being wished injury by some idiots!

and God, apparently.

 

I will readily admit to wishing injuries on bad wrestlers like HHH, Nash, Steiner, Orton. (hey it works!)

 

As for Big Show, his only real use is in a tag team. Stand on the apron for a while, get tagged, so batshit with like power moves for like 3 minutes and you're done for the night. And he's one of the few people who could belivably demolish two guys by himself for several minutes. For trivia purposes, Edge and Jeff Hardy were absolutly the worst at this.

 

Unfortunatly, I think we're in for at least 2 more Big Show world title reigns before he dies of heart failure at the age of 38.