Who gets unfairly shit on the most by smarks?

[Mecha Mummy 0]

The reason I hate Test isn't for his wrestling skills. All things considered, he's decent enough and can deliver in big matches. I hate him because the crowd doesn't care about him no matter what and they STILL try to push the hell out of him. Give. It. Up. Neither bashing America or Stacy Keibler could get him over, so it's time to send him back to the tag ranks or Heat.

[Guest TheHulkster]

HHH: I don't particularly care for his long drawn out promos, but he performs well when doing backstage vignettes. In the ring, he's a pretty good worker. He's not great, but he's pretty good. He paces himself well, doesn't appear to blow up a lot like many guys his size, works hard, bumps pretty well, is pretty decent at selling injuries, and doesn't pussy out of a match because he's hurt. HHH isn't my favorite wrestler by any means, but I think a lot of the shit written about him on the internet is, a lot of the time, unjustified. The problem is that Stephanie doesn't seem to have a sense of perspective with her creative team. HHH takes the blame for a lot of the writing teams mistakes from some people just because he's engaged to Stephanie. Do some of you people honestly think that Stephanie, an attractive millionaire who has more power in the company than anyone aside from Vince himself and Linda, gets told what to do by her boyfriend, a company employee, all the time? In reality, the man just probably plays his cards right when Stephanie throws him a bone like any guy in the same position would do. I doubt that HHH is really out to get everyone like a few of you somehow were led to believe or has Stephanie tied around his little finger. It's just cynical ignorant hate that only a place like the internet can produce. God bless America (Canada and England too)

[Maztinho 0]

Test gets the most flack.

 

Sure he's acting isn't great, but in the ring he's pretty good. He has a wide array of moves and if the WWE let him go up top again, has some high flying stuff. His Big Elbow is as good as Savage's ever was, and the guy is 5 inches taller than Savage.

 

Pair him with a person who works well on the stick and jsut let Test pipe in with a few sentances every once and awhile and he'll be fine.

[LooseCannon25 0]

Test is my choice

 

The guy is big, has a good look, and has a pretty impressive moveset. He's got nice power based moves and moves very well in the ring. His top rope elbowdrop is on of the best i've ever seen. All the guy needs is a personality and acting lessons. It's proven he can get over with the right storyline (love her or leave her match). For those of you that have that SummerSlam check out the explosion from the crowd when he wins.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I'd say Test, as well.

 

The funny thing about him though is that he's been booked horribly ever since he got over from the Steph relationship angle.

 

Just look at what happened ever since then:

 

- HHH steals Steph and spends his free time beating the crap out of him without any sort of revenge by Test.

 

- Forms T&A with Trish and Albert and job constantly to the Duds and Hardys.

 

- They break up and he wallows in the Euro title hunt for a few months(wins it once that I can recall) and jobs it to Eddy(not a bad thing).

 

- HHH punks him out in 30 seconds on RAW and powerbombs him through the announce table.

 

- Joins the Alliance, buddies up with Booker and Shane, and even win one of the tag titles(I can't remember which) before getting jobbed out again.

 

- Wins the IC Title just to job it back in 2 weeks at Survivor Series.

 

- 2 week mini-feud with Rock that made both guys look bad.

 

- Teams with Book again and jobs to the Mighty Midgets on PPV.

 

- Starts the Un-Americans with Storm and Christian, but all three are massarced by PoochieTaker time and time again except for the RAW before SummerSlam just so Taker can get his job back at the PPV.

 

- Un-Americans break up and he wallows doing nothing til the Stacy crap starts.

 

- Eventually turns face and "feuds" with Jericho til it's completely dropped except for when they book Chris to face him when they have nothing better for Jericho to do.

 

 

That's an awful lot of bad booking in 4 year span. Now before the die-hards get all mad, let me say this: A) He never should have won the IC Title at all, and B. The Jericho feud should have never happened, IMO.

 

Damn... I can't believe I wasted about 15 minutes typing this up...

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

The main topic of this thread talks about guys getting flak for things that aren't necessarily his fault. Again I think of Test. And I think of the '99 wedding that kicked off the "McMahon Helmsley Era" and how Test was kept away from them afterward, and I think that pretty much killed his heat dead, and put out his pilot light for pretty much the rest of his career.

 

"Hmm, my girlfriend stabbed me in the back and went with this other idiot and married him, and now he's politicked [in storyline] into the top spot overnight, and gets everything he wants and always gets his way. I'm pissed off. I'm gonna go win the Hardcore Title."

 

Huh?

 

By the time they let him try to "get back" at Triple H, he was one half of a milquetoast heel tag team going against a recently face-turned Triple H. The "match" this led to was a quick squashing by HHH of not just Test, but Test and Albert concurrently. Much too little, far too late. [One could even argue that of all the faces HHH has buried, Test was buried the deepest of them all.]

Also, I think Test's rep suffers in our eyes just because he's of the size that he falls into "Hoss" category, and the WWE is just so oversaturated in the "Hoss" department; one after another, big guys are trotted out again and again with no dimension to their character other than being big, strong, and angry [they all tend to have similiar looking ring gear, too. There's ANOTHER problem].

 

Is Vince's "Big Boy" fetish Test's fault?

 

Is it Test's fault he looks so much physically like long-time favorite Smark whipping boy Billy Gunn? [Okay, he could maybe do a little more to distinguish himself, i.e. dye his hear and stop wearing shorts in the ring....]

 

Is it Test's fault that he started his WWF/E career with a ring name as TOTALLY FUCKING RETARDED as "Test" and in the 5 years he's been on TV nobody has bothered to change it to something that has even a slight chance of being even slightly cool and/or marketable?

 

Is it Test's fault that he got pulled out of that feud with Jericho (that was kinda sorta over Stacy) and put in a tag team with Scott Steiner (that is kinda sorta built on competing with each other for Stacy's attention)?

Test is pretty darn quick and mobile for a guy his size. Promos aren't good at all, sure, but then, remember his dialogue is written by the WWE "Creative" team.

 

Sure, pretty much all of the fans couldn't give two shits about Test now. But really, how much of a chance to give a shit about him have the fans been given?

Lost in the shuffle of nowhere stables like The Corporation and The Union. Given a dumb-ass ring name that just screams out for derisive jokes at its expense. Having a Gold Mine of a storyline yanked out from under him and, hence, being forced to look like a pussy who instead of seeking revenge in a bad ass fashion passively accepts being screwed over and moves on to collecting the mediocre c-level championship belts. Put in a tag team [T&A] destined to be overshadowed by the eye-candy manager [Trish Stratus] who was the focus of any and all "push" directed the team's way. (Not, mind you, that I am complaining AT ALL about Trish being focused on, fawned over, pushed, worshipped, whatever. Mmmmm...) Being half of a "monster" tag team that is quickly bitchslapped and squashed by one average sized guy (Triple H hadn't packed on the major muscle mass at this point). Being put on the WCW/ECW Alliance Side of the Invasion [again, lost in the shuffle of a nowhere-stable. Austin's "defection" overshadowed and crushed any chance of significant "Traitor Heat" coming Test's way, especially with how the Alliance on the whole was basically The JOB Squad].

 

Who COULD get over with a career like that?

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Hulk Hogan - The reaction he gets from fans justifies him being on TV if you ask me.

 

Randy Orton - He was coming along well before the injury and hopefully will imrpove even more.

 

Triple H is an itneresting one as I don't hate him as much as otehrs but I am annoyed by his politics.

[Guest crandamaniac]

D'Lo Brown

 

Tons of smarks hate this guy, but I always thought he had good charisma, and his ring work was actually pretty good.

[Guest snowfan]

HHH: Nova-uh invented-uh jokes, you know-uh?

 

*busts a quad laughing*

 

*Goldberg walks by*

 

HHH: OW!-uh Bill!-uh. Even-uh your walking-uh is stiff-uh. I'm tellin Vince-uh.

 

*RVD comes in*

 

RVD: Hey dudes, let's get high.

 

*Steiner walks in*

 

Steiner: YOU KNOW WHAT I GET HIGH ON! RRRRROOOOOIDDDSSSS!

 

HHH: I hear that-uh.

 

Nova: I invented that.

classic

[Guest JRE]

I've always liked Billy Gunn. He's had some crappy gimmicks put on him (Rockabilly, Billy G, The One, and even though Billy/Chuck wasn't bad....I'd prefer he'd be beyond that by now)- but he's always been intense in the ring and quite enjoyable. I still think that the injury he got before Wrestlemania 2000 was a very tough break in his career....it was looking like he was going to get another good push and then...injury. Then he came back and was The One....teamed with Big Show, and eventually formed a slightly entertaining tag team. He's done a lot for the WWE- for a long time, and to me he's always showed to be very good...

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

Hulk Hogan - The reaction he gets from fans justifies him being on TV if you ask me.

Not if it means taking up 50% of show with an angle that won't draw a dime, and helps kill house show business.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

Bill DeMott: Past his prime but still better than most. Really, Really is booked badly. If they put him in a tag team w/ a young lion and made him the veteran face trying to help the kid out, I think people would dig him.

 

Scott Steiner: Yes his matches with Triple H sucked and he isn't near as good as he used to be but he gets good reactions and he's being booked in a way to elevate(if Test gets a win on Steiner,it would give him a good rub)

[LooseCannon25 0]

Bill DeMott: Past his prime but still better than most. Really, Really is booked badly. If they put him in a tag team w/ a young lion and made him the veteran face trying to help the kid out, I think people would dig him.

 

Scott Steiner: Yes his matches with Triple H sucked and he isn't near as good as he used to be but he gets good reactions and he's being booked in a way to elevate(if Test gets a win on Steiner,it would give him a good rub)

I agree on Bill Demott, and i was actually very excited and intrigued by the New Eliminators tag team he was supposed to form with Perry Saturn. He could be a very good tag team wrestler.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

Plus, if anyone's ever met Bill deMott you'll know he is one of THE nicest guys around. When he won the US title, I marked out. No shitl.

 

On an unrelated note, Stasiak is a bitch.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

What I like most about this thread is seeing "_______________ could have been huge given the right angle/push/storyline".

 

News flash: that can apply to just about everyone.

 

:lol:

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

No you couldn't apply that to anyone. They still need the skills to make it work.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

And many of those mentioned in this thread don't have the skills. Hence my point - the 'right push' is just a pipe dream, and had they had the skills they would have been able to work with a push that was less than 'ideal' to what they had to offer.

[Guest Choken One]

I don't want to get into a long winded thing here but I will have to say Test...

 

Aside from his general blandness...He isn't a bad worker...Can throw a few good punchlines and has done classic stuff for WWE...

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

The Rookies are getting unwarranted heat. Orton is solid, not the most spectacular, but he's solid in the ring and good on the mic.

 

Batista is what they want him to be: a monster that goes clotheseline, clotheseline, powerbomb. He was trained that way thus he wrestles that way.

 

If anyone doesnt notice the improvment in ohn cena is on crack.

 

3MW suck...I'll give you that.

 

Rico is God. Serously, if you watch his OVW shit, you'll be more pissed at the WWE for using him the way they are.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I wouldn't call Orton solid at all in the ring considering his snoozefest with Lance/Christian. He blew his finisher at the time TWICE and looked like shit in the ring. He has been injured in matches twice already (I know they weren't all his fault) and has yet to show me jack shit. Guy has charisma, but he hasn't had a decent match in the WWE.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Batista is what they want him to be: a  monster that goes clotheseline, clotheseline, powerbomb. He was trained that way thus he wrestles that way.

If he was trained that way then there isn't much of a chance for him to "improve" or "turn out like Brock" etc. etc.

 

I concur with Dan about Orton. He isn't very good.

[Guest godthedog]

No you couldn't apply that to anyone. They still need the skills to make it work.

actually, the law of goldberg states that, given a big enough push, you need no skill whatsoever to get over.

[Guest Vitamin X]

HHH: Nova-uh invented-uh jokes, you know-uh?

 

*busts a quad laughing*

 

*Goldberg walks by*

 

HHH: OW!-uh Bill!-uh. Even-uh your walking-uh is stiff-uh. I'm tellin Vince-uh.

 

*RVD comes in*

 

RVD: Hey dudes, let's get high.

 

*Steiner walks in*

 

Steiner: YOU KNOW WHAT I GET HIGH ON! RRRRROOOOOIDDDSSSS!

 

HHH: I hear that-uh.

 

Nova: I invented that.

You forgot my personal least favorite smark joke, the Bradshaw assraping hazing one.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I only included what was said to be lame... I mean, if it was open-season then Nova would be gettin assraped and crying out "I never invented this!"

[Guest Memphis]

Hulk Hogan - The reaction he gets from fans justifies him being on TV if you ask me.

Not if it means taking up 50% of show with an angle that won't draw a dime, and helps kill house show business.

Thank Ye.

 

'Tis was my point in the previous thread.

 

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