Guest Mole Report post Posted May 18, 2003 Most bands are better live because you get into the performance more. I hate DMX, but I went to see Limp Bizkit and DMX and Godsmack were on before Limp. DMX has so much energy he gets you into his songs so well. I never listened to Godsmack before, but after their performance, they found a new fan. They rocked a lot harder than Limp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 18, 2003 OK this is rather pathetic if you ask me. People haven't heard of Phish before? That's simply crazy. I know they don't have the commercial success as many many other bands but still, when the hiatus broke it was all over the news here and during the NYE run it was too. Let's put it this way Phish is my favorite band and GC is my least favorite band. And those arent' exaggerations. In college this year the kid who lived nextdoor to me only played GC, I wanted to die. To all the people who chose GC, minus YnA, if you listened to a Phish song, you shoudl be able to tell that they are at teh very least more talented than GC. You don't even have to be a fan of the genre or band. I mean I odn't like metal, can't stand it actually, but I can tell talented musicians from flavor of the week. Phish aren't in the business to sell records or get platinum albums. They do it to play good music, which they do just about 100+ nights in a year. What's nice is that their recording company realizes this now and doesn't try to push their albums one way or another. That said I can't wait til IT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Phish is more musically gifted, but if you include the ability to attract mainstream appeal and commercial success as a talent, I'd have to vote Good Charlotte. (and I hate bands like Good Charlotte with the passion of 100 suns) That is the thing about Phish, they don't want to be mainstream like that, it isn't their style. They'd rather be a better live band than a 'mainstream' band. As a former die-hard fan, I used to state the whole "they're not famous because they don't want to be famous" spiel, too. But if they don't want mainstream/commercial success, then why do the Bittersweet Motel movie? And the cover of Rolling Stone? And sign with Electra and release numerous albums and shirts and posters and patches and stickers and DVDs (etc. etc) each year? It's more accurate to say that they're not willing to change their sound to be successful. But to claim that they don't want mainstream success is not true. They want money and fame as much as the next band, they're just less wililng to bastardize their music to achieve it. Does Good Charlotte play what they want to play? I'm guessing that they do, and luckily for them it's a sound that reaches a larger audience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 19, 2003 I thikn the fame is secondary really for them. If they didn't want to release the dvds they wouldn't. It's not like they have to to make ends meet. IIRC Bittersweet Motel wsan't their idea, a filmmaker asked them if he could make it and the concert dvd is great, many bands do that. Every band makes tshirts and stickers I don't thikn it's a sign that a band wants to be famous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Trey Anastasio has more talent in his recently discharged fecal matter than Good Charlotte could ever hope to have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Mole, both of those lyric sets make me want to shoot myself in the liver. The Good Charlotte ones are obvious crap, but the Phish song appears wanky, pretentious, and culled straight from a 9th grader's poetry journal. Phish are obviously better musicians, but I really despise what they choose to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Galactic Gigolo Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Despite not being big fans of either of them (tix were free for everything) I've seen Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, and New Found Glory twice. Simple Plan is not that bad, as it's just the typical "teen angst" type stuff that at least gives some idiots an outlet besides for cutting their wrists for fun. Good Charlotte has a few songs I can listen to, turn my brain off, and listen to, and NFG blows. Plus, when I was doing photography at the first NFG show I saw, the asshole jumped over me and nearly kicked me. Never been big on Phish. Maybe I should listen to more of their stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Maybe you should get high first before you do that... Phish is ok but really give nothing important... at least GC is meaningless entertaining turn your brain off fun... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Galactic Gigolo Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Maybe you should get high first before you do that... Trust me, you don't have to force me. : : packs the bong : : : : forgets that I'm supposed to listen to Phish while high and plays The Sims for XBox : : Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Well Phish has released several albulms over an near 20 year career, had thousands of fans that follow their concerts and have developed a sound that's unique for them and refuse to be pigenholed. But Good Charlotte did a song about WHINING CELEBRITIES. I mean that's some hard hitting social commentary right there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Maybe you should get high first before you do that... Phish is ok but really give nothing important... at least GC is meaningless entertaining turn your brain off fun... and now my biggest pet peave comes out...the person that thinks in order to listen and enjoy jam bands you must be chemically altered. Not saying yout hink this way choken one, but tsill wheneve i hear that it just pisses me off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted May 20, 2003 Anyone going to It in August? Wanna toss back a beer or two? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 20, 2003 Jangofett I'll look for ya up there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted May 21, 2003 Cool, just look for the guy wearing Mandalorian armor with a tent pitched outside of Slave-1. Ha, kidding. did you go to either of the 2 previous fests up there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 21, 2003 Naw just got into Phish hardcore in 2000 so I missed out big time. Espec cos they used to always come aroudn my house cos I'm from just up the road where Fishman's from. In fact in 1999 while they didn't have a festival perse, they played literally in my friends backyard. STill pissed off about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted May 22, 2003 I don't pay enough attention anymore to know where the big festival is this year, but I went to the Great Went (in Maine) and to the NYE one in Florida. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Mole, both of those lyric sets make me want to shoot myself in the liver. The Good Charlotte ones are obvious crap, but the Phish song appears wanky, pretentious, and culled straight from a 9th grader's poetry journal. Phish are obviously better musicians, but I really despise what they choose to do with it. Actually, that song is from Rift, same name of the song. The whole album is about dreams, which that songs is about. A dream, which is crazy as fuck. You should know Edwin, just go watch "Restless," dreams are crazy as fuck. Rift is a GREAT example as how dreams are wacko, and make no sense. That is why Phish is such a great group, they know how to make a album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 25, 2003 I gathered as much, but that's not exactly a daring thesis. "Dreams are crazy and make no sense." Well, holy shit. Also, I'm not sure if the parallel you draw to the Buffy episode is that analagous: though most of the action in "Restless" seems nonsensical, the subtle aspects have strong ties to the subconsciouses of the characters we've followed for four years. Now, granted, this might be the same case with this Phish song, but having not followed their work I don't think I'm in much of a state to judge whether or not this song is actually profound and self-referential, or just kinda...wanky. Presented out of context, they don't really impress me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Hmm, that is true. It has nothing to do with past work, but dreams in general. It is all a matter of opinion, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted May 25, 2003 I gathered as much, but that's not exactly a daring thesis. "Dreams are crazy and make no sense." Well, holy shit. well, by the same token, when has there been something revolutionary said in popular music? "and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." oooh. "fuck you, i won't do what you tell me." oooh. "god is dead, and no one cares." oooh. "they'll stone you when you're walking on the street, they'll stone you when you're trying to keep your seat." oooh. all great songs, but not exactly gems of radical thought. even the really insightful songs like 'julia' or 'elderly woman behind the counter in a small town' don't really SAY anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Oh, it doesn't need to be revolutionary, nor would I contend that many great songs are particularly radical. I was just discounting Mole's suggestion that the song is a "great example of how dreams are wacko and make no sense" as something that makes it good beyond what I saw as trite lyrics and uninteresting music. I downloaded the song, and promptly deleted after realizing that my personal perceptions of its alleged wankiness were indeed valid. I'll go listen to some Andrew W.K. now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snuffbox Report post Posted May 25, 2003 what a retarded question...a simple pop-punk band or a world class jam-band, which is more talented? Phish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 25, 2003 WORLD CLASS? I think you've been too many Phish Fan Conventions and got too strong of a whiff... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Czech Republic Report post Posted May 25, 2003 I gathered as much, but that's not exactly a daring thesis. "Dreams are crazy and make no sense." Well, holy shit. *My* jam-band I started with my buddies did a 40-minute song that explains why the sky is blue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Oh, it doesn't need to be revolutionary, nor would I contend that many great songs are particularly radical. I was just discounting Mole's suggestion that the song is a "great example of how dreams are wacko and make no sense" as something that makes it good beyond what I saw as trite lyrics and uninteresting music. I downloaded the song, and promptly deleted after realizing that my personal perceptions of its alleged wankiness were indeed valid. I'll go listen to some Andrew W.K. now. Well no wonder you don't like Phish, you like WK. Just different opinions about music, thats all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted May 26, 2003 WORLD CLASS? I think you've been too many Phish Fan Conventions and got too strong of a whiff... and i htink you've been huffing glue...that would explain the lack of functioning brain cells Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Well no wonder you don't like Phish, you like WK. Just different opinions about music, thats all. Yes, that was the subtle joke there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Holy Christ, what an awful thread. And what an awful choice! Two incredibly shitty bands. Hmmm......Good Charlotte is just abominable. But I'd rather be gang-raped by Silverback gorillas than listen to a Phish album to its entirety. So I guess Good Charlotte gets the slight edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
River City Rocker 0 Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I have yet to hear a single note from Phish. I knew plenty of Phish fans in high school and college, and they were rabid about that band, but I never did ask them to make me a tape so I could check it out for myself. Good Charlotte, on the other hand....ugh. Fewer acts infuriate me more. -Ben Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 27, 2003 But I'd rather be gang-raped by Silverback gorillas than listen to a Phish album to its entirety. That can be arranged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
