Raw Rating Goes Back Down The Crapper

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Gee, and Raw was only twice as good this week as it was last week.

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

Gee, and Raw was only twice as good this week as it was last week.

But after last weeks Nashtastic Raw, can you blame people for switching off. It is a shame though cause this weeks show was an improvement, but more of Nash/HHH isn't exactly going to keep people watching.

[Guest humongous2002]

All i got to say to all those Goldberg marks out there that thought he was a ratings God is.........BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Guest Goodear]

Yeah, because that two minute segment he had to little fanfare against heatless Lance Storm should have drawn millions of fans. The show was built totally around Austin, Flair, and Hunter and several people such as Jericho and Christian got a whole lot more time to work with during the program. Just having the guy there isn't going to mean anything if he's given nothing to do.

[Guest razazteca]

Goldberg is all about the intro of the "security" knock on the door and walk to the ring while breathing pryo at the ramp without it he is nothing. Besides he is just one of many getting the monster push. I don't know about you but after suffering through 10 monster pushes of several green wrestlers in the past few months, I have been de-sensetize. There is nothing special about a 2 minute squash match, that is so 199x.

 

The look means nothing to me. Goldberg is not The One to save the show.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

The look means nothing to me. Goldberg is not The One to save the show.

Just who is that Great One that could save the WWE? If there was anyone that could?

 

...and by Great One, I wasn't trying to infer The Rock by any means.

[Guest razazteca]

The Rock did bring in the ratings but he made his decision to leave the WWE. And the cycle continues until The One is found and I am not refering to Billy Gunn either.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I didn't see the RAW match, but it sounded VERY similar to Goldberg vs. Lance Storm in WCW... by that I mean the same spots (pumphandle throw).

[Guest razazteca]

It was barely 3 moves by Goldberg and was over in less than a minute.

 

Boring

[Guest Lightning Flik]

I didn't see the RAW match, but it sounded VERY similar to Goldberg vs. Lance Storm in WCW... by that I mean the same spots (pumphandle throw).

You know, I kinda thought I had a deja vu feeling watching this match.

 

*sighs* WCW has truly won out. Although WCW was absorbed by WWE, the bad parts of WCW is slowly killing off the WWE from within.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It was barely 3 moves by Goldberg and was over in less than a minute.

 

Boring

 

Whoops, got my tags mixed up there

 

And Yep, the same match

 

IIRC Storm wasn't very pleased with the pumphandle spot before in WCW...

[Guest razazteca]

Agent Smith has won the war

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

S show 10X better than last weeks gets a rating nearly a whole point lower. Weird. You'd think christian's wicked cool new clothes would do the trick.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

IIRC Storm wasn't very pleased with the pumphandle spot before in WCW...

I wouldn't blame him. It looked like Goldberg just threw him without care.

 

Both times.

[Guest razazteca]

I didn't see the RAW match, but it sounded VERY similar to Goldberg vs. Lance Storm in WCW... by that I mean the same spots (pumphandle throw).

I think it was also the same match set that Goldberg used vs Brad Armstrong on a PPV

[Guest Goodear]

IIRC Storm wasn't very pleased with the pumphandle spot before in WCW...

I wouldn't blame him. It looked like Goldberg just threw him without care.

 

Both times.

Lance isn't a big fan of any contact at all as far as I can tell. It's just a throw anyway, it's not like Goldberg dropped him on his head or anything.

[King Cucaracha 0]

And will get worse. Just watch it sink ever quickly towards the 2.0 range as the hype for Shit In A Cell cranks up a gear.

Oh, where to begin. They didn't drop to 2 before, after or any time between the so-called 'will be worse than KOTR 95' PPV's Judgement Day and Backlash. People have been saying this for the past two years. It hasn't happened yet, and to be honest you're just waiting for ratings to drop so you can say 'Ha, told you so!' and seem like a big man about it from where I'm sitting.

[King Cucaracha 0]

IIRC Storm wasn't very pleased with the pumphandle spot before in WCW...

I wouldn't blame him. It looked like Goldberg just threw him without care.

 

Both times.

Lance isn't a big fan of any contact at all as far as I can tell. It's just a throw anyway, it's not like Goldberg dropped him on his head or anything.

He's a career killer BAH GAWD!!!

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Goldberg should take the White Boy Challenge...

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

you're just waiting for ratings to drop so you can say 'Ha, told you so!' and seem like a big man about it from where I'm sitting.

Only in the fantasy land you inhabit.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Did they or did they not hype Goldberg up for an hour and a half all for a five-minute appearance that should have popped a rating regardless of who he was sharing the ring with?

 

Think carefully now.

[Guest razazteca]

the set up was bad and no resistence by Lance Storm made the match boring. Remember there were more than one squash match on Raw and the fans probably got wise to that type of match.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Is that in response to me? And if so, is that your final answer?

 

I didn't realize that Goldberg's match on RAW was any different from his Nitro squashes from five years ago. Nor that his fans were so particular about his match quality, especially when it lasts 60 seconds.

 

I also don't see what difference it would make if there was 1, 3, or 20 squashes beforehand that night. I was under the impression that people were tuning in to see him and only him, and don't give a shit about anything Rodney Mack (for example) does, whether he's squashing Spike Dudley in 5 minutes or going toe-to-toe with him for 15. That makes no difference to anything Goldberg-related.

[Guest razazteca]

Is that in response to me? And if so, is that your final answer?

 

I didn't realize that Goldberg's match on RAW was any different from his Nitro squashes from five years ago. Nor that his fans were so particular about his match quality, especially when it lasts 60 seconds.

 

I also don't see what difference it would make if there was 1, 3, or 20 squashes beforehand that night. I was under the impression that people were tuning in to see him and only him, and don't give a shit about anything Rodney Mack (for example) does, whether he's squashing Spike Dudley in 5 minutes or going toe-to-toe with him for 15. That makes no difference to anything Goldberg-related.

Well no big entrance no rating Goldberg is all about the intro. I doubt the tv audience was buying the tripe that Lance Storm did it. You do realize all of the monster pushes that the WWE has forced on tv on RAW? Batista, Steiner, Nash, Mack, Brock, Jones all basically doing the same thing. The monster push with the Look is no longer special. Even though Goldberg was the One in WCW he is just one of many in WWE.

 

Nobody wants to see a 2 minute match of Goldberg squashing a jobber that is just their to lay down for the 3 count. Unless it is a gimmick match or if the opponet can carry Goldberg to a decent match why watch? Goldberg is the same as Steiner as in the people got tired of the formula quick.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I can't really disagree, but then I think of how many times people have insisted over and over how Goldberg is different from Steiner, Batista, Brock, Jones, etc. How unlike Steiner, Goldberg is a true draw' and has more athletisism and skill, etc. etc. etc. Therefore he should, in theory, be able to produce better results than the above mentioned.

[Guest razazteca]

Goldberg should of drew but I guess some fans were not happy with the cage match. Goldberg has so much potential as the fans seem to like him, the problem is how to get those Goldberg chants going and have a match with an opponet who can fight back. They teased the Austin confrontation but it went nowhere as usual. And now Goldberg is to fight Jericho because he hired Storm to run him over? Hey it did not work for Rikishi why will it work this time?

[Guest Goodear]

Did they or did they not hype Goldberg up for an hour and a half all for a five-minute appearance that should have popped a rating regardless of who he was sharing the ring with?

 

Think carefully now.

They sure as heck didn't hype it up as much as they did Flair vs. Triple H and "The Wacky Austin High Jinks Show". Considering the number of options they could have gone with the car angle, Lance Storm has to be considered a heck of a let down as well and provided another minus that just continues to highlight the writing problems with the company. I know everyone hates Goldberg and all, but this isn't really a good test of his drawing power when he's only on the show for three minutes. I personally never thought he was going to turn the world on its ear or anything, but it seems as though you are picking a bad time for your argument. The ratings are sure as hell an inditement of Flair and Triple H though.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Goldberg should of drew but I guess some fans were not happy with the cage match.  Goldberg has so much potential as the fans seem to like him, the problem is how to get those Goldberg chants going and have a match with an opponet who can fight back.  They teased the Austin confrontation but it went nowhere as usual.  And now Goldberg is to fight Jericho because he hired Storm to run him over?  Hey it did not work for Rikishi why will it work this time?

Rikishi and Storm were ONLY the ones that tried to kill their respective bald-headed targets. But HHH and Jericho were the "masterminds" behind those instances.

 

How much cleverness and planning do you need for that, though? I wouldn't call anyone a mastermind for going up to some one and asking/paying them to run some one over with a car, but it's WWE....

 

Storm doing it will be forgotten and pushed aside for the fued with Jericho, just like Rikishi hitting Austin was.

 

No one really cared much about the Rikishi angle (probably due to the racism), and using it to spark a fued with an established star is superfluous to me. It seems like whenever WWE runs out of ideas for a big angle, they go with attempted vehicular homocide. Usually this is in a fued that draws almost no money or fan interest, so the net gain isn't going to be all that great.

 

Goldberg has not earned him keep, though. If he were being paid according to his position on the card, estimated drawing power, etc that would be fine.

 

He isn't.

 

He's being paid a fat sum with a creative control clause, all guaranteed. Oh, and he probably has a certain minimum amount of PPV appearances to be booked for, and since he's on Raw, we'll be stuck seeing him for a while.

[Guest Austin3164life]

The only way Goldberg can be any kind of legitimate draw is if he's booked to win the huge streak again. The type of superstar he is commands that he go over everyone to look like a superman. Once he loses a match (like at Starcade 98?), the fans won't buy into his hype. To put it in Vince's phrase, there's NO CHANCE IN HELL~![/vinny mac] that Goldberg is going to get a 100 win streak.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The only way Goldberg can be any kind of legitimate draw is if he's booked to win the huge streak again. The type of superstar he is commands that he go over everyone to look like a superman. Once he loses a match (like at Starcade 98?), the fans won't buy into his hype. To put it in Vince's phrase, there's NO CHANCE IN HELL~![/vinny mac] that Goldberg is going to get a 100 win streak.

Even if he did, I don't think fans would buy into it these days.