Ric Flair: A Double Question

[Guest Anglesault]

Hey guys, I have a doubly packed Ric Flair post!

 

First of all J-Day. I was hearing alot of people say that the managers were about 30 times better than the wrestlers in the world title match (No capitalization for this belt)

 

Do you think Flair/HBK would have been good at the PPV? I'm fairly certain that even if it wasn't, it would outshine HHH/Nash, but would the match have been worth it? Do you think Shawn and Ric could still put on a good-great match? (I think Shawn has proven that he can when he wants, but that's not the direct question.)

 

Secondly, would anyone else have gone for Ric winning the belt one last time last night? If only for a week or two? He really has me hooked on the show and the match really had me on the edge of my seat. I think that would have been a great way for Ric to finally retire.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

No and No.

 

Lemme elaborate.

 

Flair vs. HBK would suck because there is no one to pick up the slack. There needs to be a solid base for either or those two to work from - they wouldn't, IMO, be able to support each other... Not to mention there isn't really a reason for them to fight. It's like Old guy vs. Older Guy.

 

Flair winning the title wouldn't *do* anything. HHH has been built up month after month after month after month after month - why waste it all on Flair?

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Flair/HBK would be MUCH better than Nash/HHH. Nash is horrible in the ring. Flair/HBK have deteriorated skills. Nash never had skills.

 

Flair winning the title wouldn't have been a good thing. Would have been a mark out moment big time, but minutes after would have been wrong.

[Guest Fook_Hing_Ho]

Flair winning would not have made sense, although HHH pinning him clean was not what I would have booked.

 

I would have had a dq due to Nash interference or have the ref catch either Flair or Trips hitting the other with the belt.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

itd be great w/ Flair as champ...just syaing

[Guest Anglesault]

Flair winning the title wouldn't *do* anything. HHH has been built up month after month after month after month after month - why waste it all on Flair?

So it goes to Nash?

 

It would have also been more like HBK. People all Hunter's 9 month reign but forget that one month.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Well of course Flair vs. HBK would be better than HHH vs. Nash...

 

Unless Flair retired with the title and they discontinued it and started up a new title... I see no reason other than "gee it would be neato" for him to get it.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Flair has jobbed clean to Rico but can miraculously beat HHH? No thanks.

[Guest Anglesault]

Unless Flair retired with the title and they discontinued it and started up a new title... I see no reason other than "gee it would be neato" for him to get it.

It's going to Nash for Christ Sakes.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Flair has jobbed clean to Rico but can miraculously beat HHH? No thanks.

You're not supposed to remember that.

[Guest y2jailbait]

People should just evaporate that Rico win. That's one of defenses people will bring up win they ask if Flair is worth a damn in the wrestling business anymore.

 

By the way, Rico lost clean to Spike Dudley, does that mean Spike is better than Ric F'N Flair? Hell, I remember Hacksaw Jim Duggan beat Stone Cold Steve Austin, who beat Shawn Michaels. Does that mean Hacksaw is better than HBK???

[Guest bob_barron]

itd be great w/ Flair as champ...just syaing

Why though?

 

Just saying... means diddly squat.

 

I love Flair but he should be built up first if they're going to give him a title. He jobbed to Rico, RVD and basically has been getting his ass kicked since October- and now he gets to be the top guy on RAW? No- that wouldn't work.

[Guest ManKinnd]

The ending last night was perfectly fine. Why the hell would you need to save the heat of Flair with a screwjob ending? A non-wrestler is a non-wrestler, no matter how good they were in their prime. HHH SHOULD have won the way he did, whether we like him or not. Remember when we all said that the old generation should be putting over the new one? Or did that not include Flair?

[Guest Anglesault]

itd be great w/ Flair as champ...just syaing

Why though?

 

Just saying... means diddly squat.

 

I love Flair but he should be built up first if they're going to give him a title. He jobbed to Rico, RVD and basically has been getting his ass kicked since October- and now he gets to be the top guy on RAW? No- that wouldn't work.

So let's give the belt to Nash. That's the ticket.

 

 

HHH flat out refuses to Job the belt to Booker RVD Jericho or whomever. If the belt has to go to somone HHH has wet dreams about, I pick Flair.

 

The ending last night was perfectly fine. Why the hell would you need to save the heat of Flair with a screwjob ending? A non-wrestler is a non-wrestler, no matter how good they were in their prime. HHH SHOULD have won the way he did, whether we like him or not. Remember when we all said that the old generation should be putting over the new one? Or did that not include Flair?

 

He went over Flair to look even fucking better when Kevin Nash goes over in I Fell in the Cell. WHOOPIE!

[Guest Choken One]

Ever Since Flair and Shawn had that Promo last winter...

 

I've been begging for them to just be given a Month together in the mid-card.

 

Flair and Shawn each have said on records how they regret not having a great match when they had the shot back in 1991...and wanted to put on a show.

 

Granted it won't be 89 Flair Vs 1995 Shawn but even today...These two could put on something special (Notice I didn't say ***** Classic, Special).

 

Before the Quasi-Face Turn from Flair yesterday...The storyline was etched in stone for them...

 

"I looked up to because you marked the Standard"

 

"I handed you the torch because you were the future"

 

"How could you let yourself go and become a Roadie for that Pompous Nature Boy Wanna-BE?"

 

"My Best days are behind me, Son, It's time for others to shine...I'm just here for the ride"

 

"I don't believe that, You know I thought I was done for 5 years ago but I came back and I might be as great as I was but Damn it, It's something indescribable to have that second lease on life"

 

"So What are you saying?"

 

"What I am saying is simple, If this Nature Boy Wanna be can show up ONE more time...Damn sure, the MAN can..."

 

"You're thinking the same thing I'm thinking?"

 

"You Know it"

 

"All right...Let's do this...But remember this...What you thought you seen before? I ani't gone playing yet!"

 

"That's What I expect!"

 

"WHOO!"

 

"WHOO!"

 

and then you build up the paraells between the two legends...

 

Show their respect for each for the next two weeks and then it's show time...

 

Shawn comes out first...Wearing the Black with Blue Heartbreaker outfit...

 

Flair arrives in Style... rocking the Old-School Red tights.

 

They put it all out their for not just the fans but for themselfs...

 

It goes 30 Minutes with Flair catching the Super Kick and wrapping Shawn for the F4 and Flair counters the Counter reversal for the Win...

 

Big Pop...Shawn and Ric embrace for the crowd and they get a standing Ovation...

[Guest y2jailbait]

When you have an ICON~! like Ric Flair, the losses to RVD, Rico and whomever don't matter. The angle was that he had something to prove in his old stomping grounds and that even though he taught HHH everything HHH know's, he didn't teach him everything Flair knows. I think it was played out great and the finish was proper, although it did deflate the crowd a bit.

[Guest goodhelmet]

No and No.

 

Lemme elaborate.

 

Flair vs. HBK would suck because there is no one to pick up the slack. There needs to be a solid base for either or those two to work from - they wouldn't, IMO, be able to support each other... Not to mention there isn't really a reason for them to fight. It's like Old guy vs. Older Guy.

 

Flair winning the title wouldn't *do* anything. HHH has been built up month after month after month after month after month - why waste it all on Flair?

i agree 100% with this but i will elaborate more...

 

hbk vs. flair- hbk can still bring the goods but flair is so washed-up that it isn't funny. maybe his match with hhh was better than any other hhh match in recent history but that is because we expect so much shit from hunter that when he has a decent match, people tend to receive it better. plus, the match wasn;t very good 12 years ago so i don't think it could be better. definitely no reason to part with your cash for this match.

 

flair as champion- quite simply, we need YOUNG champs, not old ones. flair winning would have served no purpose in turning the company around. it would have been just as bad as giving the title to hogan. no one would benefit from the move.

[Guest Cover of Darkness]

Why is everyone sure of Nash winning? Shouldn't they be building to HHH/Goldberg next month?

[Guest Austin3164life]

Granted it won't be 89 Flair Vs 1995 Shawn but even today...These two could put on something special (Notice I didn't say ***** Classic, Special).

 

It's kind of like how Austin and Flair had their ***1/2 (what a lot of people rated it) match on Raw last year. Both guys were definitely past their physical prime, yet they told a good story and put on a good match. I wouldn't mind HBK/Flair at Summerslam, but how could they have it to make sense?

[Guest Anglesault]

Why is everyone sure of Nash winning? Shouldn't they be building to HHH/Goldberg next month?

OOH, that would be MUCH better!

 

Now, if a show sold on Rock/Goldie got 250,000 buys, will Goldie/HHH get 150,000?

[Guest newblood03]

because jericho and goldberg r building a program now

[chaosrage 0]

No and No.

 

Lemme elaborate.

 

Flair vs. HBK would suck because there is no one to pick up the slack.  There needs to be a solid base for either or those two to work from - they wouldn't, IMO, be able to support each other... Not to mention there isn't really a reason for them to fight.  It's like Old guy vs. Older Guy.

 

Flair winning the title wouldn't *do* anything.  HHH has been built up month after month after month after month after month - why waste it all on Flair?

I don't think it would be a waste since HHH would just have got it back the next week. What would it hurt? HHH would still be on top of the world. Flair would've just been motivated and had one last good night.

More importantly than that, it's something the fans wanted to see. Why can't they go home happy for once?

 

What would it have done? It would've broken up the motonony of HHH as champion and told the fans that anything can happen, that things can change, even though it's not really true. It'd give fans hope that someone could take down HHH, and keep them excited during the main events. He's had that damn title a year, and you know he's going to have at least until August. They could've given everybody a break and also set something up for next week.

[Guest Anglesault]

No and No.

 

Lemme elaborate.

 

Flair vs. HBK would suck because there is no one to pick up the slack.  There needs to be a solid base for either or those two to work from - they wouldn't, IMO, be able to support each other... Not to mention there isn't really a reason for them to fight.  It's like Old guy vs. Older Guy.

 

Flair winning the title wouldn't *do* anything.  HHH has been built up month after month after month after month after month - why waste it all on Flair?

I don't think it would be a waste since HHH would just have got it back the next week. What would it hurt? HHH would still be on top of the world. Flair would've just been motivated and had one last good night.

More importantly than that, it's something the fans wanted to see. Why can't they go home happy for once?

 

What would it have done? It would've broken up the motonony of HHH as champion and told the fans that anything can happen, that things can change, even though it's not really true. It'd give fans hope that someone could take down HHH, and keep them excited during the main events. He's had that damn title a year, and you know he's going to have at least until August. They could've given everybody a break and also set something up for next week.

This was what I wanted to say.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I've got a question for everybody: No one wants Trips as champ anymore, and practically everybody is dreading Nash becoming champion, and people have (good) reasons why Flair shouldn't be champion. Out of everybody, who *should* be champ then?

[Guest Choken One]

Simple.

 

Jericho.

[Adam 0]

Jericho, RVD or Kane. One of those three. Give Booker the IC Title for a few months, build up his legacy a little more because it was screwed once he got pinned by HHH twice. RVD or Kane could win the title and then one could turn on the other costing them the Tag Belts and setting up a match, or Jericho could get the belt in a heel to heel title change in a triple threat match or something, and that would bring credibility back to the belt.

[Guest Choken One]

Jericho, because He can make the belt look credible with his mere presence and A heel champion with a Face like RVD or Booker doing a chase will always make for good tv and good ratings...

[Guest TheGame2705]

I'm sorry but Booker, RVD, and Kane would only make that title still mediocre.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kane

Hey, how about any one else on Raw under forty and not HHH or Test?

[Guest CanadianChick]

I'm sorry but Booker, RVD, and Kane would only make that title still mediocre.

I dunno, I think that they (okay, maybe not Kane) would be an improvement from Nash or HHH for the pure fact that they are pretty over with the fans. RVD and Booker constantly get more of a reaction than Trips adn Nash.