Matches that are thought of WAY too highly...

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I also can't understand the love for Jericho/Rock at the Royal Rumble '02

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I will rule out most of the mark favourites (ex. Rock/Hogan) and go with those that are overrated on this board.

 

Most ladder matches seem to fall into this category (other than HBK/Razor I). The ones that immediately come to mind are RVD/Jeff from Summerslam which I considered one of the worst matches of 2001, and the horrendously overrated Eddy/RVD match from RAW. Both were filled with blown spots, and the fan run-in for Eddy/RVD only made things worse. HBK/Razor II falls into this category as well. It is better than the two previously mentioned matches by a long shot, but people have said that it is better than HBK/Razor I, and it really isn't even close.

 

As a general rule, spotfests tend to be overrated and psychological battles tend to be underrated.

 

Some of the most underrated matches include Bret/Perfect from KOTR 93, and HBK/Jarrett from IYH II.

[Guest bravesfan]

Rock/Angle No Way Out 2001

Shawn/Diesel Good Friends, Better Enemies

Austin/Dude Love Over The Edge 1998

 

I think all those matches are really good, but I've seen them all rated at ****1/2 and up, and I don't think any really crack ****

 

Agreed on the first two, but please explain why you (sort of) panned the Austin/Foley match. It DID introduce the WWF to "Sports-Entertainment booking", which of course is debatable for its merits.

 

 

Austin/Angle RAW, January 2001

I'm sure I could think of more from Raw, but I don't see what's special about these. I've seen Angle/Austin rated at **** and up and while it is a real solid match, I don't see how it cracks ***1/4.

 

Disagreed, but it's your opinion and I'll respect it. Televised matches have a tendency to be limited in ringwork and story-telling, but I felt the Angle/Austin match broke down those barriers.

[Guest DawnBTVS]

Gotta toss in this one...

 

Royal Rumble 2001 IC Title Ladder Match

Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho

 

-Aside from the wicked diving chairshot block, there wasn't much else in terms of greatness or eye opening. I'd give it ***3/4 to **** as the match just seemed to pedestrian.

[Guest bob_barron]

HHH v. Angle v. Rock- I know Angle was hurt and they had to improv but the match wasn't really that good. HHH v. Rock had just been too overexposed at this point.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

HBK/Razor - Wrestlemania 10. Ok it set a historical precedence but what else makes it one of the bets WWF matches ever(in Keith's opinion best of the 90's). NO WAY this gets anything above ****1/4 and even that's generous.

[Guest eiker_ir]

at the time it was one of the most amazing things ever seen (the WM X ladder match), so i see why people call it *****.

 

i remember after watching ''omg that's the greatest thing i've ever seen!!!''

[Guest Choken One]

and the Ladder match still stands the test of time...

 

Although it clearly wasn't the match of the year...

 

I think we know what that one was...

[Guest EternallyLazy]

HBK/Razor - Wrestlemania 10. Ok it set a historical precedence but what else makes it one of the bets WWF matches ever(in Keith's opinion best of the 90's). NO WAY this gets anything above ****1/4 and even that's generous.

Disagreed... this match rules all, because this is the way a Ladder match should be... wrestling, psychology, and building to each spot... instead of the spot spot spot spot spot spot spot style of the current ladder match (ESPECIALLY the TLC matches)

[Guest Choken One]

I thought Benoit/Jericho, While not at the level of the WMX classic returned the true fourmula of the Ladder back at Rumble 01...

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

HBK/Razor - Wrestlemania 10. Ok it set a historical precedence but what else makes it one of the bets WWF matches ever(in Keith's opinion best of the 90's). NO WAY this gets anything above ****1/4 and even that's generous.

Disagreed... this match rules all, because this is the way a Ladder match should be... wrestling, psychology, and building to each spot... instead of the spot spot spot spot spot spot spot style of the current ladder match (ESPECIALLY the TLC matches)

Psychology? Could you explain what psychology that match had that HBK/Razor 2, Benoit/Jericho or, even, Rock/HHH didn't?

 

That match had holy shit value first time you watched it but for a match to be over ****1/2, IMO, it has to stand the test of time. And that match has not.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

HBK/Razor - Wrestlemania 10. Ok it set a historical precedence but what else makes it one of the bets WWF matches ever(in Keith's opinion best of the 90's). NO WAY this gets anything above ****1/4 and even that's generous.

Disagreed... this match rules all, because this is the way a Ladder match should be... wrestling, psychology, and building to each spot... instead of the spot spot spot spot spot spot spot style of the current ladder match (ESPECIALLY the TLC matches)

Psychology? Could you explain what psychology that match had that HBK/Razor 2, Benoit/Jericho or, even, Rock/HHH didn't?

 

That match had holy shit value first time you watched it but for a match to be over ****1/2, IMO, it has to stand the test of time. And that match has not.

well yes, the match doesn't stand the test of time in YOUR opinion... however I rarely find anyone that thinks the same way. No offense, of course... to each his own

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

I tried re-watching HBK v Razor I a while ago. I found it dull, and gave it *.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I tried re-watching HBK v Razor I a while ago. I found it dull, and gave it *.

once again, to each his own... but *? Are you insane?

 

* is like Angle vs. Bigshow...

[Guest Choken One]

Angle/TBS at Armage was actually ** in my book...

[Guest godthedog]

<< no-sold

 

and angle's overrated because his selling is subpar. and by "overrated," i mean "one of the best in the company right now, but nowhere close to being one of the greatest of all time." see unforgiven 2001, or any match when he's put in the crippler crossface more than once.

 

"Angle is overrated for some very valid reasons.

 

1) Selling and Psychology- AustinHHH pointed out one such instance but there have been many others. One such instance that I can also recall is the Smackdown 4 Way between Angle, Eddy, Edge and Benoit. The final came down to Edge and Angle and even though Edge's selling was horrendous, it became clear that his leg was fucked up real good, prime for an anklelock. How does Angle finish? A top-rope Angle slam, thus killing any of Edge's selling and all the work that was put into it. Angle also has a tendancy to wrestle a match, then "snap", pull the straps down and use the anklelock with very little buildup.

 

2) Style- This is a knock against Angle and it isn't a knock. The guy has only wrestled the WWE style but it's also not his fault because that's what Vince dictates should be and it's very known that Angle is a company man. At the same time, his fault or not, one style is one style. I'd like to think that he could wrestle different styles if given a chance but I doubt it.

 

3) Body of work- This ties in with style. Angle's body of work is only wrestling one style and his best matches are all against Chris Benoit. I don't doubt that if given the chance, buildup and time he could deliver some truly killer matches but that hasn't been the case so far and so long as he continues to be in the WWE, it probably never will be. I'd put his best match at Royal Rumble 2003 with Benoit, about ****1/2 or so. Many point out his SummerSlam match with Austin, which I totally dug but I was mainly into Austin's A+ heel tactics and the finish of the match marred it.

 

4) Character- Angle is a goofball. Plain and simple. The man has never been taken seriously in his WWE tenure, part of which can be attributed to his promo style. The constant voice-raising, goofy lingo and head shaking can make for a funny promo when the time is right but it is a deathknell if he's ever trying to cut a serious promo and hype a match."

 

Finally, someone explains the hatred. I appreciate the assistance, and I do see exactly what you are saying.

 

i concur on the shawn/davey KoR match. the other time they met in 96 was pretty lackluster too.

[Adam 0]

The Jericho-Benoiut ladder match was awesome, I dont know how you can call that overrated.

[Guest bob_barron]

The Wrestlefest 96 match is overrated.

 

But that KOTR96 match is underrated IMO. No one really gives it the props it deserves- a MOTYC for 96

[Guest Choken One]

KOTR was **** even. MOTY?

 

HBK/Bret

Austin/Bret

HBK/Foley

 

and that is just WWF...We didn't get into WCW and ECW at that time...

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I'm probably opening up a can of worms, but I've always though Rey/Eddy from halloween havoc 97 was overrated. Dont get me wrong, its a great match, but its always thought of as the be all end all match of cruiserweight wrestling, where I've seen plenty of great cruiser matches that are on par or maybe even better...

[Guest bob_barron]

KOTR was **** even. MOTY?

 

HBK/Bret

Austin/Bret

HBK/Foley

 

and that is just WWF...We didn't get into WCW and ECW at that time...

I give it ****1/2- and I think it's a MOTYC. It's MUCH better then HBK v. Bret

[Guest eiker_ir]

Bret vs. HBK would've been so much better if it had been a normal match, i mean the last 20-25 minutes are really really good imo.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Hogan/Warrior is the most overrated by far. Rock vs. HHH in the Iron Man match is one of my favorites of all time. They use all sorts of finishes and smart strategies you would never expect. And UNDERTAKER blew the ending, not them.

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

I watched Hall/HBK WMX the other day too, for the first time in about 5 years and I just didn't get that same "holy shit" feeling I had back then. Nowadays the WWE do a ladder match every month and it has completely ruined the gimmick. No doubt it was a great match at the time and set the trend that was to come, but I just feel the match hasn't aged very well. Personally I always preferred the rematch at Summerslam 95 as I though the psychology was better, despite the fact that Shawn blew the finish, but hey that’s just me.

 

Bret/HBK WM12 to me was a great match, but the lack of falls will prevent it from being one of the greatest matches of all time. Rock/HHH from Judgement Day was a very good match but to me it needed a clean finish. This match was built as The Rock/HHH once and for all and the ending was a cop out. I liked the psychology but that finish to this day pisses me off. I loved both of the Iron Man matches but I feel both were missing something that will stop them from being legendary.

 

As far as overated matches go I think Austin/Rock from WM15 has to get a mention. I just thought that the match had no substance, it was like finisher, near-fall, chairshot, near-fall, another finisher, near-fall and it just didn't tell a story at all.

[Guest Vyce]

Rock/HHH from Judgement Day was a very good match but to me it needed a clean finish. This match was built as The Rock/HHH once and for all and the ending was a cop out. I liked the psychology but that finish to this day pisses me off. I loved both of the Iron Man matches but I feel both were missing something that will stop them from being legendary.

 

As far as overated matches go I think Austin/Rock from WM15 has to get a mention. I just thought that the match had no substance, it was like finisher, near-fall, chairshot, near-fall, another finisher, near-fall and it just didn't tell a story at all.

WM15 was just awful from top to bottom.

 

Rock / HHH Ironman is maybe my top pick. I remember renting it from the video store, and wondering how on Earth Keith could give that five stars.

[Guest bob_barron]

He gave it ****3/4 btw

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

Benoit/Sullivan from GAB 96.

 

*****

 

It was only brawling, nothign else. I've watched it once, and can't ever do it again.

[Guest Choken One]

It was over rated because people like SK thought it was revoultionary how they fought in a Bathroom and fell down a long flight of steps...and creamed at the knowing that those two really hated each other...

[Guest godthedog]

ok, i can't stands no more: the guys who compare trips/rock favorably to bret/hbk conveniently forget that booking is about the ONLY thing that trips/rock has going for it.

 

it's a pretty sloppy match, with weak brawling & botched moves all over the place--the ddt, the figure 4 on the wrong leg...the piledriver on rocky looked so sloppy that i feared for his life. bret & shawn show a lot better that they know what they're doing, & almost everything is clean and crisp. compare the chain wrestling. trips & rocky clearly don't really know what they're doing, while bret and shawn can keep it fluid and interesting (there's some great psychology going on in those first 10 minutes that's very rewarding if you just pay close attention to what they're doing). the big moves look noticeably better too. shawn's moonsault at the 55 minute mark especially is a thing of beauty.

 

also, at about the halfway mark, both guys are blown up and the match sloooooooooooows dooooooown sooooooo muchhhhhh........they do long rest spots in between the falls, like the chairshot & the sleeper sequence & the countout. bret and shawn actually build the match as the clock runs down, & it gets more kinetic.

[Agent_Bond34 0]

Foley vs. Taker HIAC

 

Without the two bumps, this match is nothing, and I think it hurts Mick's credibility everytime he praises it as one of his best

I couldn't agree more.

 

That match is way overrated.

 

I mean sure, I gotta give props to Mick for taking those insane bumps and being thrown into the tacks and all, but other than that, the match is nothing, especially after repeated viewings.