A serious look at The Matrix Reloaded

[Guest Heel In Peril]

You know, I had a wild idea as I watched it for the second time tonight.

 

What if the french guy and Persephone are old versions of The One and Trinity? It's a very loose idea dn not one even I lend any degree of seriousness too, but it interested me.

How interesting. It'd be something to hear them explain the coexistence of two One's though. Or for that matter a possible SIX coexisting Ones (if that's even the proper title after such a discovery). I see where you may have made that connection. I personally HIGHLY doubt it, but not bad.

[Guest SP-1]

Yeah, and I can readily find major holes in it myself. It seemed pretty interesting to me. It hit me because Persephone told Neo that the french guy was once alot like him, and then she demanded Neo kiss her as if she were Trinity. It seemed so strange to me but keeping with the cause and effect theme that theory popped in my head.

[Guest Riots bloodlust]

The thought of the Merovingian being a previous "The One" had crossed my mind as well. It would seem to explain away his seemingly contradictory motivations, as a human would be capable of making such blind judgements. A human might also be so fascinated with his mastery of "cause and effect" to babble on about it as he did. I quickly disregarded it though. He never really displayed any such abilities, aside from the cake, and that seemed to me to be more like "hacking" rather than "changing the environment as he sees fit". He also referred to dealing with Neo's "predecessors". That would mean there was more than one cycle between him and Neo. That would probably be too long of a time for his life span, unless the matrix is critically unstable because of the flaw of "The One". Also, because he fights Neo, that means he is siding himself against the humans. This would imply some character shift has taken place somewhere along the way, since he's only here because he would have saved the matrix when it was his turn, and he would now work to destroy that cycle. In my mind this thought opens just as many wounds as it closes.

[Guest caboose]

The thought of the Merovingian being a previous "The One" had crossed my mind as well. It would seem to explain away his seemingly contradictory motivations, as a human would be capable of making such blind judgements. A human might also be so fascinated with his mastery of "cause and effect" to babble on about it as he did. I quickly disregarded it though. He never really displayed any such abilities, aside from the cake, and that seemed to me to be more like "hacking" rather than "changing the environment as he sees fit". He also referred to dealing with Neo's "predecessors". That would mean there was more than one cycle between him and Neo. That would probably be too long of a time for his life span, unless the matrix is critically unstable because of the flaw of "The One". Also, because he fights Neo, that means he is siding himself against the humans. This would imply some character shift has taken place somewhere along the way, since he's only here because he would have saved the matrix when it was his turn, and he would now work to destroy that cycle. In my mind this thought opens just as many wounds as it closes.

Yeah but the french guy's character shift (if he is the one) can easily be explained that he has become to comfortable using his ability to care about fighting the system. His powers have gone to his head almost, like an Anakin/Vader style turn.

[Guest SP-1]

Riot, your points are pretty much why I saw it as a quaint little idea but not very likely. Though, Caboose also has good points. This is why I love Reloaded, because there's alot of room left to think and try to figure things out before Revolutions comes and makes sense of it.

 

I've also seen where producers have directly stated that Reloaded was just a tease. That it's the way it is on purpose. And that Revolutions is supposed to REALLY take it to the next level.

[The Dames 0]

Dammit, this sucks. I saw Matrix Reloaded on the IMAX screen on 66th Street and after a second viewing and paying close attention to everything that was stated, I'm highly leaning towards the Merovingian being one of the first "Ones"...and I thought I was the only one who caught it until I read this.

 

These are the main points that lead me to believe this theory.

 

Persephone goes into a room with two of Merovingians goons and says that these two were "saved" by him quite some time ago and are therefore very loyal to him.

 

This could mean that if the Merovingian was one of the former Ones, therefore choosing to rebuild Zion out of 23 people, these were two of the people that he chose long ago.

 

Persephone also says that Merovingian used to be alot like Neo...

 

She also states that she hasn't known love in a LONG time and therefore wants a taste of it with a kiss. My theory is that if the Merovingian was a former One, then when confronted by the Architect with the choice to save Zion or (if the circumstances were similar in his case) save his love for Persephone...he chose to save Zion and chose Persephone as one of the women to rebuild Zion with. However, seeing as how he made his choice (saving the world over love) it meant that his love, unlike Neo's, wasn't true.

 

Merovingian talks a lot about cause and effect...and how choice doesn't truly have a factor in the matter. He could have this mindset because he felt almost betrayed by his lack of "choice" as The One when presented with the ultimatum to save Zion. If everything was leading up to this moment, then in his mind, he may feel that nothing he could have done would have changed it...and therefore "choice" doesn't really exist for him.

 

He knows and understands what the Keymaker is for...and who would know better than someone who has gone through the entire process of opening the door?

 

I could be wrong and I know there are holes in my theory, but I'm hoping that's the direction that they go in because if not, then the Merovingian's character WAS essentially useless.

 

Dames

[Guest SP-1]

That's pretty much where I was coming from too, Dames, though you added some points that I hadn't totally thought of yet. It'd be sweet to see the holes in our theory(ies) filled in and we're right on him. One way to get around his line about Neo's predecessors is that perhaps he was the FIRST "One" and has had to thus deal with the Ones that came after him. Who would still be predecessors to Neo.

 

He has, after all, been around for quite some time.

[The Dames 0]

That was my thought too, actually. If he WAS a "One", he was the first.

 

Dames

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

It also removes the criticism that the initial Merovingian scene was "pointless".

Edited June 16, 2003 by Spicy McHaggis

[Guest Heel In Peril]

It also removes the criticism that the initial Merovingian scene was "pointless".

Agreed. This is probably the only direction they can take the Merovingian in that would be better than replacing him with the twins.

 

And as far as the Merovingian being one of the Ones, or first One, this would be an incredible turn of events. Imagine a team battle with Merovingian standing between Neo and his ultimate destiny due to Neo's victory symbolizing the end of the Merovingian's "power". Merovingian's team against Neo's. I don't think there's been a "team battle" in The Matrix yet, has there? 2 and 3 and 4 man fights, but no team matches. Imagine the Merovingian, Twins, Persephone(maybe), and the remaining werewolf vs Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, Naobe, and Ghost! Could be tight shit.

[Guest SP-1]

I don't even want to think about a fight that great. I nearly collapse under the awesome weight of Neo vs Free Smith possibilities.

[Guest NCJ]

Going with this thinking, what about the Oracle's protector. I have always wondered how he could keep up with Neo if he was simply an old program when even the upgraded Agents and 100 Smith's couldn't beat Neo. Could he perhaps be one of the One's. Maybe because the one rebuilds the Matrix with his select few perhaps he gets reintergrated into the system as a program. I am really looking forward to Revolutions.

[Guest Riots bloodlust]

Now that none of these amusing theories have panned out, I would just like to remind anyone who is interested in remembering what was said here. My thoughts on the latest installment shall be shortly forthcoming.

[Tawren 0]

Kind of funny to read this and see how wrong all the fanboys were.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Kind of funny to read this and see how wrong all the fanboys were.

I take it... The new movie just didn't do anything did it?

[Tawren 0]

Kind of funny to read this and see how wrong all the fanboys were.

I take it... The new movie just didn't do anything did it?

Not really.

[cabbageboy 0]

Well, the amusing thing is that I liked Revolutions a lot more than Reloaded mainly because it was a bit more straightforward and lacking in BS.