Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted May 31, 2003 ESPN.com is reporting that the Pistons have fired Rick Carlisle. In his second season as coach he led a team with no great offensive weapon to a no.1 seed and the East conference finals. Granted the East is not great, but with the development of Prince, the emergence of Billups, and Darko coming in next year they seemed a lock to be one of the top 2 teams in the East going into next year. Word is Larry Brown is no.1 on their list, but I think it is pretty silly to drop Carlisle after the job he has done. Hopefully they lose out on Brown, Van Gundy, and Silas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crazy Dan Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Man, that is a big mistake by the Pistons. Rick Carlisle is one of the better coaches in the NBA, who gets the most out of his players. The Piston's biggest problem is that they have no real offensive threat. Rip Hamilton is a nice shooter, but he will not take over a game like players like Kobe and T-Mac do. It also doesn't help that your best player is not an offensive threat. I think the Pistons might have panicked on this one. If I am in need of a coach, then I would definately be looking at Carlisle. he is a good coach who appears to be taking all of the blame for the Piston's defeat. I am thinking that the Pistons will have a dropoff in wins next season without Carlisle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 31, 2003 This one really suprises me. Detroit wasn't not a talented team. I'm sure more will come out in the upcoming days. For some reason I can see Carlisle going to Cleveland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted May 31, 2003 They were saying on SC that Carlisle might want to do TV next season instead of coaching. They either have to have some kind of deal locked up with Brown already or Carlisle must have lost the team or something, because otherwise I can't see Dumars being this stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Carlise did TV for either the Kings or Blazers before he became head coach of Detroit. So that's a possibility. I'd love to see him take over for Flip Saunders either this year or next. The T'Wolves need a change, and Saunders can keep his GM duties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Hire him Bulls, hire him Bulls, hire him Bulls The Pistons must have a deal with Brown already. Either that or Matt Millen took over as GM. *rimshot* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 This is a HUGE mistake.... I agree that the Pistons brass must have been in panic mode to fire someone who had shown significant progress in two years.... even with Darko coming in, this may be a huge mistake for the Pistons... I live in the detroit area, so I guess those rumors about Rick Carlisle threatening to be fired if they had lost to the Magic were true.... The Pistons ran into a proverbial buzzsaw with the Nets, and while a lot of the blame has to fall on the head coach, to fire him after a pretty strong playoff run was a kneejerk reaction to say the least. Just goes to show that even success and progress is cold comfort when your head is in the guillotine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Please come back to the Pacers. Please come back to the Pacers. Please come back to the Pacers. Please come back to the Pacers. Please come back to the Pacers. Please come back to the Pacers. One more time..... Please come back to the Pacers. So will ANY team still have the same coach next season? haha Oh yeah, probably the Pacers. Shoot me. This is truly the stupidest move I've ever seen. The guy was just coach of the year last year wasn't he? He got the team farther with every season he's been there. If that trend continued there's nowhere else to go but to the finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted May 31, 2003 How dare that bastard not win a championship with a team that doesn't have anyone who can score with a damn. How fucking dare he. Fire that man! This is endlessly retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Isiah has a coaching job and Rick Carlise doesn't. Bizzare indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slingshot Suplex Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Has Carlisle made a statement yet? I'm not a basketball fan but I kinda keep up with what some teams are doing...especially the Pistons having lived in metro Detroit most of my life. This makes no sense. The guy got a lot out of a mediocre looking team. Gets them into the Eastern conference finals and then gets fired days later.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted May 31, 2003 This is a stupid, stupid move. First of all they aren't going to get Larry Brown, because Joe Dumars is the GM. Second of all, why would you fire the guy who won coach of the year last year, and took your team to the East funals this year? This offseason is crazy for Coaches, I can't ever remember it being like this. All of these teams have coaching vacancies: Houston Cleveland New Orleans Atlanta Washington Los Angeles Clippers Philadelphia Detroit Charlotte (if you want to get technical, but they start playing in about 17 months, they should be thinking about getting their man soon) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Has Carlisle made a statement yet? Actually this story came from him. The team is the party that hasn't said anything yet. He's supposed to do a formal statement tomorrow. I'm still shocked by this. Probably will be for a while. What a bonehead move. Do they really think these coaches out there could do better? Ok, MAYBE Brown comes in and gets you to the finals. Guess what, 3 years from now he's leaving you too just like he always does. With Carlisle you had a young guy who was one of the top coaches in the league that you could've kept for years. I also read on ESPN earlier that there are more rumblings coming out of LA about Jackson retiring. There are also rumors of Nelson not coaching the Mavs next year. I don't believe either one of those stories myself but damn, could you imagine all those teams listed above PLUS those two teams all without coaches? Not to mention the Raptors who were missing from the above list. I think it's pretty certain that a lot of these teams are gonna be drafting this year without coaches. What's the most amazing part is that I don't think but maybe one or two of these coaches deserved to be axed. Carlisle, Silas, Rudy T, those are the main three that I shake my head at. Carlisle had nothing but success, Silas' team got bit by the injury bug and Rudy should've been allowed to coach Yao for at LEAST one more year before bagging him. Really, the only one I can really truly say DESERVED to get fired and was the reason for his team's failure is Doug Collins. I don't think the coaches of the Clippers, Hawks and Cavs were responsible for how bad those teams were. They had other problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted May 31, 2003 For the life of me I'll never understand this. Maybe the Pistons have some kind of rule where they're only allowed to be good a couple years in a row. They won the east, they're way under the cap, and they have the #2 draft pick this year...thing WERE looking pretty good...but now I dunno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Wow, first Silas (sp?) now Carlisle. Oh well, they're not my teams... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I don't understand this (well neither does anyone else) The Nets got lucky the first two games in Detroit and even though the last two games were a rout- That's no reason to fire the poor guy. He'll find a job somewhere I'm sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bosstones Fan Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Either that or Matt Millen took over as GM. *rimshot* That's hilarious. Well, Marty Mornhinweg IS available. Maybe he's wanting to give basketball a try and Millen is only trying to help him out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Either that or Matt Millen took over as GM. *rimshot* That's hilarious. Well, Marty Mornhinweg IS available. Maybe he's wanting to give basketball a try and Millen is only trying to help him out. He couldn't do any worse. And since it's an 82 game season he's bound to win more games as a basketball coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Well, ESPN is now reporting that the Pistons have hired Larry Brown. I'm surprised that Brown took the job since he will only be a coach in Detroit. But, maybe that's what he wanted. Since he was hired so quickly they must have been negotiating with him for a day or two already. So as soon as they realized they could get Brown, Carlisle got dumped. Oh well, let's see if this starts the run on coaches. It would be nice to start getting these positions filled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Damn, I was really dissapointed when I heard this. I was also dissapointed when Joe D traded Stack. (I'm sure as hell not dissapointed now.) But man, this guy was coach of the year 2 years straight, led his team to the Eastern Conference Finals, and as the top team in the east during the season........ I don't know whats going on..they must have had some heavy arguments in the back somewhere. Man this is so fucking depressing for me. Well at least we got the Mooch... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I had not known Carlise was even fired which Is why I had fallen outta my chair when I saw on the ticker that Larry Brown was hired as head Coach... This only tells me that Silas is going to Philly...Gundy is going to Houston... Carlise will take year off and do tv and become the BIG target for next season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I'd hate to think they fired a good coach who took them further then they've been in a decade just to get Larry Brown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Wow... I'm guessing the reason has to do with his reluctance to focus on the younger players. Supposedly he had to be pushed into giving Teyshaun Prince and Okur real time in the playoffs. Something else tells me that their upcoming draft pick of Darko Millicic (18 year old) has something to do with this also, perhaps massivly differing opinions between him and Dumars regarding that and waht his role is... anyways my gut tells me it has to do with the whole young/rookies situation. Still.. i'm not so sure about this move. Dumars hasn't let us (detroit) down yet, so we'll see how this plays out. EDIT: the more I think about it and think about some of the news stories and such I'd heard over the past year... the more certain I am that the reason was a differing of philosophies on how to use their young rookies. All season long there have been rumblings taht Dumars wants to focus the team on the new players coming in, while Carlisle's ideology clashes in terms of the rookies (did you see how little he played Prince during the season? and indeed he DID have to be pushed into playing them by the players as well as the 3-1 deficit in round 1), i mean just look at his odd devotion to keep the focus on Cliff Robinson. Basically it comes down to Dumars = wanting more time and focus on the younger developing stars of the team than Carlisle did. And the fact their next big star (at least who they hope will be) is going to be an 18 year old kid... I'm sure you can see where the clash of ideologies came in. I'll bet money this has to do with Carlisle not wanting to focus on Millicic (and the other rookies) as much as Dumars wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I want Carmello though....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I want Carmello though....... Me too man...but they're taking the big guy instead and moving Ben to PF...I hope they're not messing too much with a good thing. The Pistons are a good story about team work and no huge ego assholes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Firing Carlisle is the best possible move... He was becoming the new Del Harris. Made the team very good, but not good enough to get over the hump. The guy made absolutely no adjustments in the collapse against the Nets. And sat the goldmine that is Tayshaun Prince all season long... then he finally "discovered" Prince versus Orlando. The guy torched the Magic, in the flow of the offense... so what does Carlisle do against Jersey? He puts the onus on Prince, a rookie, to create his own shot along the baseline in iso situations. I'd trust the GM Dumars in this situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted June 1, 2003 If Prince, with that under developed body, had played the entire year, he would have been so beat up and had the rookie dead legs by they time they reached the playoffs he would have been worthless anyway. If you have the best record in your conference, you don't start injecting new players into the lineup and shaking things up. That breaks up the chemistry. Now I do agree that he did a horrible job in the final 2 games against Jersey, but they had blown leads in the forth in the first two games. Maybe his theory was to play the same way in the two games they SHOULD have won, and everything would work out. In hindsight, not a good plan, but understandable. I think that the Silas firing was the worse move of the offseason, but this is the second. And Indiana ain't firing Isaiah because they know they will lose O'neil. They might fire him after Jermaine signs a big contract but not a minute before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted June 1, 2003 And for the coaching changes, I don't think its a lock that Jerry Sloan is back next year. If Joe thinks LB is the answer than fine, but pretty unethical timetable. I also think there are too many good openings for Carlisle to go to the booth next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted June 1, 2003 They might fire him after Jermaine signs a big contract but not a minute before. I would laugh hard if they did that. If I was the Indiana owner Thomas would be unemployed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 1, 2003 SI.com is reporting Portland might have interest in Carlisle. That would free Cheeks to interview and likely become head coach of Philadelphia. ESPN.com is reporting that Cleveland will offer Paul Sillas the head coaching job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
