Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 8, 2003 As an Orioles fan Im enjoying every minute of the Red Sox and Yankees falling all over themselves. Boston is getting clobbered by the BREWERS!!! and the Yankees are tearing apart at the seams as we speak. Clemens next shot at 300 is friday vs the Cards at Yankee Stadium. All I have to say is I hope he can get Albert Pujols out. God knows he must be the best hitter in the majors right now (He's hitting like .380 or something, and silent rumors of a chance at .400..and I happen to believe it.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Toward the end of the game, Buck and McCarver were reporting something about Clemens having an upper respiratory infection. That probably had something to do with pulling him. Of course, there's an alternate explanation...Clemens is a gutless pussy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Barring an injury, Clemens is going to get #300 eventually. It's pretty much inevitable. And in the back of my mind I'm aware of that. But I'm still going to enjoy ESPN falling over itself trying to "be there" to cover The Coronation only to have the Yanks' Opponent De Jour continually be so rude and selfish as to refuse to do the job to Clemens. So I hope Clemens continues to be denied. Not because I hate Clemens. But because the continued denial of #300, and the Thumb To The Eye given to the ESPN talking heads after they've spent their time covering Roger's history INSTEAD OF THE GAME as though they were Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler until the other team breaks it open and it becomes clear that IT WILL NOT HAPPEN TODAY entertains me. Clemens is more someone to laugh at than hate for me. Maybe it's different for Sox fans who feel betrayed, but I could never be too mad at so entertaining a jester. I mean come on, a pitcher who gives all his kids "K" names. What a clown. That's almost as bad as the people who have identical twins and give them rhyming names [where's child protective services when you really need them?] That and all his huffing and puffing when he feels he's been dissed, and his tirades/tantrums over Barry Bonds' arm guard, or Piazza's broken bat, stuff like that. He'll eventually get there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Let's face it, the Yankees aren't the powerhouse they were and the Sox have closed the gap between them. When George thinks that RUBEN SIERRA is a fix, the same guy that bashed the Yankees when he left the first time, there are problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Why wouldn't he want to finish his own inning, especially since everyone and their uncle knew that the bullpen would blow it? He was barking at Torre as he came to pull him from the game. Not to mention he was around 85 pitches or so and he knew he could still go and work his way out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 8, 2003 The Red Sox don't have the starting pitching to beat out the Yankees. Especially when Little pitches Kim out of the bullpen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted June 8, 2003 As an Orioles fan Im enjoying every minute of the Red Sox and Yankees falling all over themselves. Boston is getting clobbered by the BREWERS!!! and the Yankees are tearing apart at the seams as we speak. Happen to check the final score? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Several Cubs players said that, while in the dugout, they could hear Clemens coughing from the mound, and he was coughing basically throughout the game. I doubt it was his decision to leave the game, though, especially with his pitch count so low, and the fact that he had much better stuff than the other times he'd tried for #300. The fault looks to be Torre's for going to an erratic bullpen when he clearly didn't need to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 8, 2003 It's Torre's fault for going to the worse pitcher on the team. What possesed him to put Acevedo in the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 8, 2003 It's Torre's fault for going to the worse pitcher on the team. What possesed him to put Acevedo in the game? The Devil! ::Abigail Williams runs in:: I saw Joe Torre with the Devil! ::Abigail Williams steals everything in sight and leaves:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Honestly, Joe was probably hoping to boost his confidence by letting him help Clemens win 300. Not smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Who else does Torre have in the pen to use? Doesn't the whole pen stink? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Hmmm, tonight's Seinfeld featured George trying to get fired from the Yankees so he could work for the Mets. Perhaps Joe's pulling of The Rocket when he did could also mean he's got a job offer from the other Big Apple team?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Perhaps Joe's pulling of The Rocket when he did could also mean he's got a job offer from the other Big Apple team?... There's a career move. Who else does Torre have in the pen to use? Doesn't the whole pen stink? Ideally, you leave Rocket in. But Acevedo is rock bottom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted June 8, 2003 For those that care, it seems that Cubs player which got taken to the hospital will be OK... http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...i-injured.story CHICAGO -- Cubs first baseman Hee Seop Choi was in fair condition with a concussion Saturday following a violent collision with pitcher Kerry Wood in a game against the Yankees. Choi lay motionless for several minutes after he was knocked to the ground and was taken off the field in an ambulance. Choi was admitted to Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where he will remain for overnight evaluation. Cubs officials said Choi was moving and talking. "I can tell you one thing. Heep Seop did ask how Woody was doing," Cubs trainer Dave Tumbas said without elaborating. The Cubs, behind a three-run homer from Choi's replacement, Eric Karros, beat the Yankees 5-2 and spoiled Roger Clemens' bid for his 300th career victory. But Choi was on all his teammates' minds and they were told after the game that the rookie would be OK. "He's moving and he's conscious. At least for now he's out of the danger zone," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said. With one out in the top of the fourth, Chicago put on a shift with New York star Jason Giambi at the plate. Giambi hit a high popup toward third, but third baseman Lenny Harris was near second base and had no chance at the ball and catcher Damian Miller couldn't pick it up because of the sun. Wood and Choi raced toward the pop, but neither had a great look at it either because of the sun. As they neared the third-base line, about 20 feet from home plate, they collided, with Wood's glove hitting Choi in the face. Choi fell hard, slamming the back of his head on the dirt. Four doctors and two trainers rushed to the field as Choi lay motionless on his back while his stunned teammates huddled around. "It was pretty much frightening right there," Harris said. "He held onto the ball, but as soon as his head hit, he was out. His eyes rolled into the back of his head." Wrigley Field, which had been frenetic, went eerily quiet. Fans watched in silence as, first, a stretcher was called for, then the ambulance. Wood, who was also knocked down, was able to get to his feet. The game was delayed 17 minutes. "I've never seen anything like that when I've been on the field," said Wood, who regained his composure and finished up a brilliant effort that saw him give up just three hits and strike out 11 in 7 2-3 innings. "To see a teammate just lying there helpless and knocked out, it was scary. But once he was able to at least squeeze some fingers and do some of that stuff before he was off the field, I felt a little bit better about it." Choi is the first Korean-born position player in the major leagues. Cubs manager Dusty Baker affectionately calls the 6-foot-5, 240-pound first baseman "Big Choi." "The umpire gave me the ball and he told me to give it to Big Choi. I gave the lady in the ambulance the ball," Baker said. Many in the crowd didn't forget what had happened even as the Cubs were wrapping up the victory in the ninth when they started to chant: "Hee Seop Choi, Hee Seop Choi." Hendry said Choi would probably end up on the disabled list and the Cubs would call up a replacement from the minors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Who else does Torre have in the pen to use? Doesn't the whole pen stink? It's not has bad as I thought it was. Hammond, Osuna, and Hitchcock all have era's under 3.50. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted June 8, 2003 The Red Sox don't have the starting pitching to beat out the Yankees. Especially when Little pitches Kim out of the bullpen. Hahahahaha. Pedro is better than any yankees pitcher. Dont forget about Derek Lowe and Kim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Pedro is better than any yankees pitcher. Talent-wise, sure. But considering his recent history of fragility, he's unreliable. Guys like Mussina and especially Clemens might be getting a little long in the tooth, but it's rare for them to miss many starts, let alone go on the DL while the division race is heating up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted June 8, 2003 I'm a Red Sox fan, but based on this season, I'd rather have Mussina. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted June 9, 2003 I'm goign to touch on as many things as I can remember from the thread. If Torre is fired, i give him about 15 minutes before the Sox fax him a contract and he signs it causing George to flip out and overpay for some untested foriegn player. Roger was sick and had thrown a ton of pitches in his previous attempts at 300, which was Torre tryign to give him every chance to succeed. Roger failed. Why would he leave a sick man, who was over worked in his previous few starts, and failed to come through in them in a game against a a kid who was unhittable? You can't play the game for one man, it has to be played for the team. He saw Roger starting to lose it and had little choice but to go to the horrible bullpen that he recieved in teh offseason. The move was sound, the results were not. although I got a good chuckle out of it. As far as Sox fans being whiners and all that shit. Some are, most only when there is reason, like calls consistantly going to the Yanks way, even in Fenway and even when the play blatantly should have gone our way. Remeber the 99 ALCS? There were about 5 calls that were totally blown by teh umps in favor of the Yanks. Phanton tags, bad calls at first, etc... The whole Curse of the Bambino is a bunch of shit and a theory started by one the least respected reporters in Boston (by the players and readers) Shaunesy (SP?) is a total asshole. He's the "Curly headed boyfriend" according to Carl Everett. I think once the rotations get back in line for the Sox and Yanks they match up pretty well all things considered with the edge going to NY. Pedro (injury prone) Roger (old) Lowe (coming around) Wells (old) Kim (good young starter) Mussina Wakefield (fairly reliable) Petite (injury prone) (Fossum/Burket/?) (Contreras/Weaver) Both pens are really bad and as of now the Sox line up is better. I see a lot of trades in July for both teams to sure up the pen and maybe the line up for the Yanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 9, 2003 If Torre leaves or is fired, I don't see him having nearly the success anywhere else. Torre was the absolute perfect fit for the Yankees. He didn't have nearly the success anywhere else he managed. One fluke title with the Braves in 1982. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted June 11, 2003 BTW, Acavedo..due to shitting the bed against the Cubs last weekend is FFIRRREDD! Mwuhhaahha! EDIT: Ok, maybe not exactly fired, but heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grand Slam Report post Posted June 12, 2003 A couple of things to add here. And keep in mind that I despise the Yankees. I think there is a lot of overreaction right now as far as the Yanks go. They are still one of the best in MLB. But that isn't good enough for The Boss who wants to win a championship every year. And there's nothing wrong with that, I just think his standards are a bit too high. As a Reds fan, I just want a winning season at this point. To hear people whining that their really good team isn't good enough makes me mad. About the Yanks buying championships, no it isn't automatic. But every time a quality free agent hits the market the smaller market teams have just zero chance to sign them because the Yankees can always throw more money at them. It is hard to get yourself psyched up for the season when you know that your chances of winning or losing a title have nothing to do with how good the team is, but how much money you can spend at the trading deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Soriano Jeter Williams Where did they come from? Are they not the Yankees three best? Petite anyone? This free agent bullshit is ridiculous, like every other team, we fill our holes, but because we do it with good players who want to be on a winning team, it's just the act of an evil empire. I just think his standards are a bit too high. The only standard in baseball should be winning a World Series, it's pretty obvious to me your standards are too low. George owns a ball club that had 20 rings before he got there, and he's supposed to settle with being ok, as if its normal in the first place!? This yankee hate is getting sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 12, 2003 calls consistantly going to the Yanks way, even in Fenway and even when the play blatantly should have gone our way. Remeber the 99 ALCS? There were about 5 calls that were totally blown by teh umps in favor of the Yanks. Phanton tags, bad calls at first, etc... Sorry for the double but I had to laugh at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Why did you have to laugh at that? Did you watch the series? If you did you'd know that waht I said was true. Soriano Jeter Williams Where did they come from? Are they not the Yankees three best? Petite anyone? This free agent bullshit is ridiculous, like every other team, we fill our holes, but because we do it with good players who want to be on a winning team, it's just the act of an evil empire. So you named 4 players who came through your system and then said that the free agent thign is bullshit. So by what you've said 2 of the 25 guys on the team are homegrown so all you do is plug gaps with free agent signings. 21 gaps is a lot to plug, isn't it? But since you were wrong about your own team, I'll help make your weak case by adding Rivera, Posada, Johnson, Charles Gibson, and Juan Rivera. So that's 9 out of 25, 7 of whom are pretty good. But you guys have 7 players making over $10 illion, 8 if you count Clemens strange contract from last year and 6 making $5 mil or more and a $180 million or so pay roll so don't give me this "they want to play for a winner bullshit" Most of those guys would play for Detroit for that money and gusy like Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Hitchcock, Karsay, Ventura, and Matsui wouldn't be pulling in that type of money with any other team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I have to disagree with you there, Some Guy. If Jeter were offered to go to another team, they would have to offer a hell of a lot of money to get him. When Soriano's contract is up, he's going to get PAID as well. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Gap fillers, the core of the Yankee ball club has been brought up through the farm system, and nobody likes to take note of it but the best and most consistent players came up through the farm system. And oh no, they have an owner who spends more money on his team then anyone else! Someone make this guy stop caring about his ballclub! It's obvious a small market team is never going to be good again as evident with last years playoffs. And I love how you generalize the entire Yankees staff as prideless monkeys driven by greed, from boston are you? There's no way even a fourth of those guys would go to a team like Detroit for as much as they make now, or even a bit more, which is impossible though because they don't have an owner who cares enough to see them do well. So yeah, go ahead and blame it on bad calls, thats whats made the Yankees so succesful, oh wait, money right, yeah money, no wait, money and bad calls, because they use there money to bribes the umps right? Man your so smart.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Soriano Jeter Williams Where did they come from? Are they not the Yankees three best? Petite anyone? This free agent bullshit is ridiculous, like every other team, we fill our holes, but because we do it with good players who want to be on a winning team, it's just the act of an evil empire. I just think his standards are a bit too high. The only standard in baseball should be winning a World Series, it's pretty obvious to me your standards are too low. George owns a ball club that had 20 rings before he got there, and he's supposed to settle with being ok, as if its normal in the first place!? This yankee hate is getting sad. The Yankees didn't sign alot of big name free agents from 98-01. They acquired Clemens in a trade, signed David Wells in 1998, and Mike Mussina in 2001. They had alot of homegrown or unsigned minor leaguers (Soriano). The veterans like O'Neill, and Brosius weren't superstars when they where acquired. I never had a problem with Steinbrenner signing his own players, because they had such great chemistry and played so well has a team. IMO.. he's wasting his money with players like Ventura, Zeile, Mondesi. and at this point Matshui. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Ventura was a good pick up considering there wasn't one major clutch hitter on the team, and if there was it was Jeter who really only fits that role in the postseason. The rest were definelty Steinny being a littl too impatient with his players development, but I think picking up Ventura was a smart move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
