Am I the only one...?

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I loved the Segment. It's the most interesting HHH has been in a long time. Whether you like it or not, Trips and Foley have chemistry.

 

My main gripe is that Mick is always relegated to HHH's bitch. He's just there to put Trips over as the most talented guy on the roster and a true bad ass. He did it when he was Commsioner after he retired and he's doing it again. He's good at it, but do we have to repeat this again just to add heat to a match/fued that pretty much ends next week?

 

Man, if Mick put Jericho over like that, well, I can just imagine.

[Guest Ray]

Honestly, I do not give two shits about Foley being back in WWE.

 

Sure, I loved him back in his day, and I was excited when I heard he would be on Raw, but after seeing the show, I just don't care.

 

 

 

Mick, you should have stayed at home.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Fuck it, I want my Triple H - Foley at Summerslam.

[Guest Goodear]

It was actually a good story that played off past actions by basically everyone involved. Triple H finally pays the price for attacking officials for years in order to save himself by having to deal with a referee that not only won't call for a disqualification but will still be able to count the three regardless of the beating. Foley gets a sense of revenge from his retirement matches that might finally blow off the feud in his favor. And Nash... well might get some heat from not being on television for more than a minute.

 

Writing = B+

Cast = C

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I was thinking how awesome it'd be if they just did an angle where Nash was fired (for real!) and Austin brings Foley in as HHH's one night only hell in the cell opponent.

ahhhh........wishful thinking

[Guest nikowwf]

I don't understand why people begrudge the WWE using an older established star to build a match, and allowing that star (Foley) to make some money in the process.

 

You know, we all scream and yell that they should use people to get talent over. But when Foley gets a match over (and Foley is NOT wrestling anymore, so he's not hurting himself) everyone yells that they shouldn't do that.

 

No, i do not want to see HHH vs. Nash, but the WWE has to try to get the match over because they have a PPV this weekend and it would be nice to try to make money from the event.

 

niko

[Guest croweater]

A big FUCK YOU to anyone who is accusing Foley of being a hypocrite. Really, he is his own man and can make whatever decisions he wants and nobody should judge him for coming in... putting over HHH, putting over Nash, putting over HIAC, making copious amounts of money in the process. He's come back.... for a very short period of time and is HELPING BUISNESS! I care much more about the match than before. Not only that, but Foley is being put over himself. They are not shitting on his legacy, they are saying.... no, he was never the best, but he is one tough son of a bitch, and that's obviously how he wants to be remembered.

I can't understand ANY reasoning for bitching about this. Sure, if you didn't like the segments, fine. But bitching about one of the greatest entertainers ever coming back because it's against what YOU felt was best for him does not make sense nor have reason.

The man has given up most of his life entertaining fans and the thanks he gets after he returns, puts on a couple of great segments, puts everyone and everything over that he has to, is to bitch about him finally doing something for himself? That's just insane.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Croweater spouts heresay and rhetoric and completely ignores the points that myself, Gosunkugi, and others had about it. I guess when it comes to actually addressing the specific grievances crow can pull a Steiner and just rant and rave about unrelated things and think he's made a good argument.

 

You're wrong. I said I liked the segments. But Foley's a hypocrite, and while I know he wants to help the business, he's not going to help it by trying to salvage this shithole main event.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

Nash and HHH should one their knees thanking foley for coming in a drawing some real heat for the match and bumping his ass of for HHH. That stair bump was fucking sick looking.

 

Foley actually looked like he was in good shape last night (good Foley shape anyway).

 

My prediction for SS? Nash, HBK, Foley Vs. HHH, Flair, Orton.

 

You heard it here first.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Na. There will be more turns by then. Michaels will turn heel soon, I'm sure of it.

[Guest RedJed]

Croweater spouts heresay and rhetoric and completely ignores the points that myself, Gosunkugi, and others had about it. I guess when it comes to actually addressing the specific grievances crow can pull a Steiner and just rant and rave about unrelated things and think he's made a good argument.

 

You're wrong. I said I liked the segments. But Foley's a hypocrite, and while I know he wants to help the business, he's not going to help it by trying to salvage this shithole main event.

How do you know what his plan is long term anyway? Maybe he WILL be a part of creative in a small way for his stay. And you say he's a hypocrite for leaving because creative sucked. Well if you ask me this ppv coming up has been built up better than anything Raw related in a LONG time. The last 3-4 shows have been tolerable and even more than just occasionally even entertaining to me.

 

On WOL a few weeks ago, Foley admitted he started watching WWE TV again thanks to a friend. To me that says if he kept watching it was ok to him. Also he was the one who made the move to come back into the company, not anyone else. So again, I think he himself started to enjoying what he saw on TV and wanted back. So it makes him a hypocrite to come back just because YOU think the business completely sucks in other words.

 

And I'll say it again, you're just bitching before you even know or if he will do anything in the weeks to come to make the product more enjoyable. You're just bitching for bitching's sake. Instead of talking about that you apparently liked the segment you'd rather gripe and gripe. Maybe he'll help book the HIAC match to make it interesting to watch. Like I said initially, its like some people can find faults with anything these days......if its not that the segment was bad, its that the person in the segment is the problem. Back to the gripes with the IWC from WWE, I can see why this also would get to them. How would you like it if you had people who dont even know two shits about you or the situation spout off from their computer about how hypocritical they are?

[Guest ManKinnd]

At least we can all agree that the segment rocked and Mick bumped like an idiot while putting over HHH, Nash, and the HIAC as much as possible. Right?

[Guest notJames]

I cannot attest to the rockitudinousness of the segment, as I fell asleep once Motorhead started playing.

 

Probably due to the 3+ hours of yardwork I did earlier that day.

 

Or perhaps it's the presence of HHH that triggers an endorphin overload to offset the pain of having to watch him, thus causing me to fall asleep.

 

Or something…

[Guest AndrewTS]

"Maybe he'll help book the HIAC match to make it interesting to watch."

 

And how is this possible unless Foley opts to take some big bumps in there?

 

And I suppose you think that they're going to hand Foley the book and let him dictate the direction of the company? Gee, I'm so sure that's going to happen and that's why they brought him back.

 

MAYBE there's some small chance it's going to happen. MAYBE. But it hasn't yet if it will. And Raw being less horrible than usual isn't any indication of major chance.

 

"Back to the gripes with the IWC from WWE, I can see why this also would get to them. How would you like it if you had people who dont even know two shits about you or the situation spout off from their computer about how hypocritical they are?"

 

Nothing, because they'd be right in a case like this. Is WWE utilizating talent any better? Pushing any new guys besides the OVW scrubs? Being in any way consistently entertaining? Then how's the writing improved much?

[King Cucaracha 0]

I don't know about anyone else, but I was cringing tonight when Foley took his bumps, and I found it totally disrespectful that they tossed him around--even if he did go along with it. There's something just depressing to me about a guy who worked his ass off to put wrestling (and not himself) over having to do the work for the two guys in the match because they're too lazy; it irritates the fuck out of me, and that's to say nothing of the fact that he, like everyone else, had to bow before Crips tonight. I'm not saying his segments weren't effective--perhaps overly so--but they still left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

just had to say that.

Wait...you really think that Foley didn't want to bump. Mick Foley has done this for years. I don't know him, but I suspect he still loves bumping. Why? The crowd reaction. It's why Rock can't stay away, it's why Austin can't stay away...it's why Hogan, Flair and Funk are still going. Foley wanted to bump. If he didn't he wouldn't be back, and hell the WWE are just gonna have Foley not bump? We'll see at HIAC if he does all the bumping or not.

 

And to everybody who says we're hypocrites or whatever for hating Foley, or at least feeling bad about him, for coming back after all the time he spent dissing the product, I cry

 

FAVOURITISM!!!!!

 

When SABLE did it, it was wrong. When PIPER did it it was wrong. People are saying the same about STING possibly doing it, after all his religious preachings. I like Foley as much as the next guy. I mark for the guy and feel he played a huge role in making wrestling what it is today. But the fact is, he did the same as Sable and Piper did, and the same that Sting will do when he signed, and that's go back on his words. And that's the only problem I have with this whole situation. I realise he wanted to come back, but it came after ripping into the product which to my is hypocricy.

 

Oh, and I wanna see how HHH puts over Nash. Seriously. HHH is gonna have to carry him, and I can't wait to see him try. So sue me...

[Guest AndrewTS]

HHH may actually try, unlike what he did with Steiner, RVD, etc--which was actively expose his opponents' faults.

 

Nash already looks like shit without HHH's help, he's HHH's buddy, and is not considered a thread to his spot. HHH will try to carry Nash, but fail miserably.

 

And BiG, you make a good point, but Foley's criticism/issues with WWE weren't as severe as Sable, Piper, LOD, or even his buddy Snow who did a vicious shoot interview before he returned to the WWF.

 

So it isn't quite comparable. Yet, the things Foley criticized WWE about haven't changed and I don't see them changing as long as Vince (,HHH,) and Steph run the company.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

I don't know where the hell the idea that Foley is hypocritical for doing a segment like that comes from, or that he shouldn't be out there 'cuz he's not an active wrestler any more, when half of both shows seem to be devoted to guys who can't really go. Mick's earned his stripes and can do whatever the hell he wants. The thing that humongously pissed me off, is why in the hell is Foley out there taking wicked bumps and, what looked like, I'm not sure because there's no way I'm watching it again, an unprotected chair shot to the head, for two worthless pieces of shit like HHH and Nash? Why the hell aren't they taking those bumps and shots to the head? It's their fucking match isn't it? They are the two top guys on the show, aren't they? Why do they need Foley to do it for them? Why the fuck is Foley doing that, For Triple-H, again? Since Triple-H is the big star, the heat machine, and Nash is really, really cool, what do they need Mick Foley for? Is he going to be taking a big bump for them in the cell as well? It looks that way, and it's just not right. If that worthless fucking shit and his even more useless (except the hair, which, as always, is scintillating) old pal can't hold their end of the match up maybe, gosh, just maybe, they shouldn't be in the fucking main events to begin with. Foley is way above those two goofs, and to portray him as anything else makes me want to all over that idiot Vince McMahon. Fuck him a thousand times over with a rusty chainsaw.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Foley a hypocrite for coming back? No, I'm just upset that he did away with his morals for a fast buck.

 

I didnt care when LOD, Sable and Piper did it because they dont have morals, but I thought Foley might be different

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Quite frankly I don't think any of them were wrong for coming back. Piper, Sable, etc.

 

We all say things that we regret saying down the line. Like, "I'm never coming back here" when we know there's a chance that we will.

 

They changed their mind. Oh well. They become hypocrites when the start bashing a fellow wrestler for coming back after they came back. So far none of them have done that.

[Guest RedJed]

So let me get this right........as I stated the guy started watching WWE TV again and liked it enough to the point that he himself made the offer to return back to WWE, and this makes him a hypocrite? I guess thats what baffles me on this hypocrite talk more than anything. Enjoyment is in the eye of the beholder, and he didnt give in an inch on even suggesting a return until he started watching the shows again, obviously enjoying them if he kept watching, and finally decided he wanted to return, not that he gave into any pressure from WWE to come in to boost the interest level of a ppv or a single match. He said he wanted to come back, they found a specific role for him, and there ya go.

 

I think alot of you dont know the reality of why he left in the first place. Wrestling just wasnt exciting for him anymore, and the guy obviously has a family he loves that he didnt spend much time with year after year. He also wanted to try the writing thing a lil more deeper. So just because he decides to come back for a lil while to feel that spark again under his ass, it makes him a bad person. Give me a break.

 

The guy never said he would never return to WWE again, correct? And furthermore, he stayed on good standing with the company due to the fact that he never talked trash about them. He didnt do anyway with any of his morals or any shit like that. I think some of you just assumed things about the situation when he was gone and/or left. He also didn't bother with the Raw Anniversary deal because he morally (there goes that word again) thought it was wrong that he was picked before a guy like Shawn Michaels. That was really all there was to that.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I blame it on the loose definition of "Hypocrite" we use.

 

A Hypocrite is someone who thinks it's okay for them to do but not for anyone else to do. Someone who thinks they're above the rules, laws, etc., while everyone else isn't.

 

Unless any of them have condemned their peers for coming back after doing so themselves then I don't see them as hypocrites. Just someone who realized they were wrong and changed their mind.

[Guest RedJed]

I blame it on the loose definition of "Hypocrite" we use.

 

A Hypocrite is someone who thinks it's okay for them to do but not for anyone else to do. Someone who thinks they're above the rules, laws, etc., while everyone else isn't.

 

Unless any of them have condemned their peers for coming back after doing so themselves then I don't see them as hypocrites. Just someone who realized they were wrong and changed their mind.

Yeah I agree.........I noticed this last week when the initial hypocrite talk started. People were giving reasoning for it all on things that even wouldnt make him contradictory or hypocritical in the first place. It was kind of weird.