Guest wwF1587 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 im actually a little excitted for the show... matt/rey should be good.. pipers pit should be watchable.... big show/brock sounds decent just for the ending...and im a little interested in billy's return... if not just to laugh at him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I think there's one thing were not gonna appreciate until Thursday. From the sound of it there was no offical ending to the Brock/Show match, no pin or DQ or anything, the ring just exploded. So that means.....2 number one contenders of course! And we all know what that means... BUT! Can anyone remember a time where they did something other than the typical third man interference DQ to set up a three way? I think it's great the WWE is finally figuring out good ways to get people over and set up fueds outside of there typical overdone formulas. It's as if for once they got the live crowd to pop big, did something unpredictable, progressed an angle and had an interesting match to boot. Smackdown just looks gold this week to me, we got the cruiser rematch people are saying was better than the last, we got the introduction of new characters, and old, we get some Comedy with Los Guerreros and Piper actually out of the main event, a limited amount of Mr America, and what should be some fun to watch matches up and down considering all....oh and that ending of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted June 11, 2003 If you people REALLY wanna bitch about title linage, then I have some fasicinating news for you. If the World title is fake because it was unified with the WWE title, so is the US title because it was unified with the Intercontinental title. Thusly, this NEW US title is a fake belt. Which means we now have TWO fake titles (via linage of course). Jesus Fucking Christ! When did you guys become as geeky as Star Trek fans?!? I VERY seriously doubt 99.9% of the fans out there CARE whether a SCRIPTED wrestling title has real "lineage" or not. Get a live will ya? AND another question... so by the logic presented here, a fake wrestling world title needs lineage to be anything special right? Okay, so what if a new national promotion starts up? What if Ted Turner gets back in the game and creates a new wrestling promotion that will rival WWE's. He signs all of the remaining big name talent and goes head to head with Vince. Okay, they need belts right? So are you saying for these belts to look legit in OUR eyes (the geeky star trek fan like wrestling fan) then he has to create a title and then have it unified with a "legitimate" world title?? And what if that can't happen? So does that make the new titles "fake" ? EDIT: note: This is in response to the several posts about this stupid "lineage" bullshit, not just this post I have in quotes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Looks like 2 straight weeks of solid Smackdown from top to bottom. Just cut out the Taker/FBI stuff and the Mr. America/Vince/Zach saga and I will be happily entertained. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 The WWE put the time and effort into unifying those titles (see; we the fans had to suffer though it) and now we can't hold them accountable for bringing them back without any explanation whatsoever? That seems unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the 1inch punch Report post Posted June 11, 2003 as long as Benoit or Rhyno or Eddy gets the belt, i wont complain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted June 11, 2003 The WWE put the time and effort into unifying those titles (see; we the fans had to suffer though it) and now we can't hold them accountable for bringing them back without any explanation whatsoever? That seems unfair. [Applauds] Exactly. When you think of how they completely changed around the belt scene only to say "Oops, we need a few more singles titles afterall" it shows that they have absolutely no long term planning, or even a basic understanding of how to use their talent. I used to be totally opposed to the brand split, but now I think they should hold on to it just to show they are clearly sticking to SOMETHING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted June 11, 2003 5) Funaki vs. John Cena: Ends in a 30 second squash This match could have been a lot of fun. *Reads the part about Mr America/Vince/Zach saga and frowns* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I think there's one thing were not gonna appreciate until Thursday. From the sound of it there was no offical ending to the Brock/Show match, no pin or DQ or anything, the ring just exploded. So that means.....2 number one contenders of course! And we all know what that means... I never got this. Surely if Big Show called Lesnar out to the ring next Thursday, cheap shotted and pinned him he'd be the World Champion. Technically the match never ended. Technically the match is still going on right now. Obviously it's not, but in kayfabe terms the match never finished. Of course in kayfabe terms, the HHH/Booker T HV Title Match from Raw before Backlash is still going on, so there ya go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Benoit is too big for the US title. He was on the verge of winning the Big Title just a few months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Benoit is too big for the US title. He was on the verge of winning the Big Title just a few months ago. So was Booker T on the other side of the spectrum, and he's going for the Intercontinental Title. Going back a bit futher, so was BRET HART when he came back into WCW, but he won the US title anway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Well, they get out of jobbing the fatass again, and Angle's mega bad ass unstoppable face run continues. Yay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BifEverchad Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I'm interested to see how this plays out on television, be it a stupid finish or not... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Ok, and that makes putting the title on Benoit right.... how? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Ok, and that makes putting the title on Benoit right.... how? It doesn't make it right. It's just we at least get him to stop jobbing himself out repeatedly lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Anyone else remember when people were getting excited about serious Angle? Where he would be pushed as a main event serious face? Two weeks in and no offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 The way they are working the Benoit angle, there is VERY LITTLE they can do to get heat on him and make the fans think he's worth their attention. How are they going to explain his losing streak? How are they going to explain him rising from the ashes and getting back on track? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Show him talking in the back to Heyman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 ...and? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 11, 2003 And have Heyman give him some magical good booking juice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Does Benoit have any credibility left? They could book him like Hogan in the late 80's and no one would buy it. The January 2003 - to present streak of HELL has completely buried him. He is at the lowest point in his career, and I feel bad for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 He had credibility right up to his loss to Cena - but then it went all down hill. The brain-trusts at Titan saw the crowd giving him a standing ovation as a _bad_ thing, so in order for the crowd to _stop_ doing that, they decided to job him out until the crowd loses all respect for him. Worst... Turn... Ever... I mean, I could see *one* possible way for this to work out, but it involves Arn Anderson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted June 11, 2003 He had credibility right up to his loss to Cena - but then it went all down hill. The brain-trusts at Titan saw the crowd giving him a standing ovation as a _bad_ thing, so in order for the crowd to _stop_ doing that, they decided to job him out until the crowd loses all respect for him. Worst... Turn... Ever... I mean, I could see *one* possible way for this to work out, but it involves Arn Anderson. Aside from people who actually value Arn (5% of the company's demographic), that angle would fail too. Benoit jobbing to Cena did kill him. Cena had the chance of a lifetime to make something of himself, but his terrible in-ring skills are hindering him terribly. Also, his rapper gimmick has progressed very little since WM. At this pace he won't headline any Wrestlemania, and if he doesn't work on becoming a stronger wrestler, he won't make it for the next one. But look on the bright side, Cena isn't exactly getting a bigger push than Benoit these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Here's the thing with Arn - he's the Benoit of old. Not stylistically, but in terms status. He was never world champion, he was always in the shadow of others, always-a-bridesmaid-never-a-bride. They have their history in WCW that could be fleshed out. Do the fans know this? No. Could the WWE easily tell the fans this? Yes. Would the fans care? If done right, Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Here's the thing with Arn - he's the Benoit of old. Not stylistically, but in terms status. He was never world champion, he was always in the shadow of others, always-a-bridesmaid-never-a-bride. They have their history in WCW that could be fleshed out. Do the fans know this? No. Could the WWE easily tell the fans this? Yes. Would the fans care? If done right, Yes. You sure the fans would care? Think the WWE could do it? I'd say nay for both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I say nay for the WWE doing it right, I'd say that it would be difficult to get the fans emotionally involved simply because fans have become so emotionally detatched from the product - but it's still possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Maybe after 5 video packages and a serious push over guys like Lesnar and Angle people would buy it. So yea, I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Something that I just thought about... Now that Team Angle is breaking away from Kurt Angle, what will they be calling themselves? Team Wrestling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 11, 2003 If they base everything around Benoit's pre-RR promo about his desire to win the WWE title in order to make all of his sacrifices mean something, and then after he lost the match he sunk into a deep depression, and Arn sees this and doesn't want Benoit to end up like him (Arn could so cut that promo), so he alligns himself with Benoit - helps train him, get his passion back, etc. along with some footage/montages of Arn and Benoit respectively and together, along with Benoits journey back up to the top, I think it could get over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 It would work, and it would be a good way to get Arn out there one last time. For someone who by his own words was strictly average, Arn rarely gets the credit he deserves for what he has done in his career, and him playing mentor to Benoit would be perfect, a feather in the cap, if you will. Benoit deserves a lot better than what has been done to him for the last what, five months? Even if they gave him the US title (by tournament or just literally giving it to him) and he spent the next 4-6 months legitimzing it, it would be light years better than what has happened to him. Not to mention better than what Hunter has done with the World title since it was handed to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
