Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted March 27, 2002 I'd pick Benoit, since KOTR will probably be one of his "welcome back" PPVs and they'll want to remind people why Benoit is one of the best they've got. If not him, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it to Jericho - he may not need it, but it would give "The Living Legend" another score and something to brag about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted March 28, 2002 First of all I would give KOTR to Smackdown. The RAW roster is better fit for something like Survivor Series or Royal Rumble. I would also return it to the focal point of the PPV, with some other matches fit around it, including the 'Smackdown Title' which I would have by then, and on Chris Jericho, who could benefit the most from it right now. Qualifying Matches (on TV) Christian d. Val Venis DDP d. Billy Chris Benoit d. Test Lance Storm d. Rikishi The Rock d. Chris Jericho after Interference from Edge Hulk Hogan d. Chuck Kurt Angle d. Edge after Interference from Chris Jericho Hurricane d. Tazz KOTR PPV: First Round: DDP d. Christian Chris Benoit d. Lance Storm Hulk Hogan & Rock go to a Time Limit Draw Kurt Angle d. Hurricane Tajiri d. Kidman to RETAIN the Cruiserweight Title Semi-Finals: Chris Benoit d. DDP Kurt Angle gets a BYE Billy & Chuck d. Faarooq & D'Von Dudley to RETAIN the Tag Titles Chris Jericho d. Edge (not cleanly, but by reasonable cheating [ex. feet on ropes]) to RETAIN the Smackdown Title Finals: Chris Benoit d. Kurt Angle Should be a pretty decent PPV. Some bad matches, but with enough good to overcome it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Thread got me thinking how much I'd like to see Rhyno back just to see what he can do to spice things up. I'd forgotten how over he was. I'd really like to see what he and Lesnar could turn out, since the two of them both have impressive as hell big-guy looks and a lot of speed behind them. That said, KotR: the 'creative team' or what-have-you seems to love Regal. I think, if they're smart, they'll do one of three things: 1) Give it to RVD. Lightning in a bottle with him. This is just breaking it. Remember what KotR did for Angle? High-profile feud and world champ a few months later. RVD's at a similar level now. 2) Give it to a returning Benoit or Rhyno. Couple a good KotR with a return just a couple weeks earlier, and you instantly have another highly accepted midcarder. To definitely get someone over, you need to have a good worker/character AND throw the whole kitchen sink at them--so do it, folks. 3) Give it to Booker T and let him go face. He's a funny heel, but as a standard noble streetwise good guy, he's so much more fun to watch. All in all, just do something with it. Too often the 'big things' have been blowing by unimportantly lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Just for shits and giggles...I would do one of the following 3 things: 1. Just let Booker T win it. 2. Christian wins (kind of like Owen after Bret) and then cuts a great promo on Edge about how he DID "Billy Gunn" the KOTR title. Then have Christian win the feud...and get a push to the upper midcard. 3. Since they are both on Raw...have Lesner and RVD start a feud going into the KOTR tourney. RVD should still be IC champion, dammit...so Lesner wants his belt, but RVD always escapes with it. Depending on how Lesner gets over...he could be a huge fan favorite in short order...*cough*GOLDBERG8cough*. Over enough to get an RVD heel turn to stick. So RVD continually escapes with the belt (cowardly running away...using the Van Damminator to get DQ'd...what have you) So then comes KOTR. And they both end up in the finals. Since the IC belt isn't on the line...Lesner should finally beat RVD...in fact he should pretty much destroy him. If it works, Lesner could be huge, and draw some ratings on Raw on his own...and IF it works...RVD would get over as a heel (something he WILL need to prove capable of, before he is elavated). As for the blowoff...well...that doesn't have anything to do with KOTR...but I'd sure pay to see Lesner vs. RVD for the IC belt after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tominator89 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 As soon as I read this topic, the first person that came to mind was Brock Lesnar. I hope the WWF realizes they are sitting on a goldmine here. People will forget there ever was a Goldberg if they push Lesnar correctly. If Lesnar wins the King of the Ring this year, we may have another person who uses the tournament as a launching pad; which is exactly what it should do. Lesnar is young, he's new, and KOTR could be the beginning of the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 maybe flair and vince will both pick 8 guys each to represent their respective shows at the King Of The Ring tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted March 28, 2002 maybe flair and vince will both pick 8 guys each to represent their respective shows at the King Of The Ring tournament. Yeah, but them it gets kind of lame with half the PPVs featuring matches between both divisions (I assume Royal Rumble & Survivor Series would do the same thing if KOTR does). At that point, it is hard to see it even being much of a split at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shawn Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Brock Lesnar, Rhyno, RVD or Booker T. Anyone out of those four would make me happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I think that Val Venis should win the damn thing, but who cares what I think? He probably won't even be in the tournament. Lance Storm would be good too, as would Chris Kanyon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Perhaps Benoit, Lesnar, Rhyno and Tazz in the semis is not impossible. Lesnar needs too win please dont fuck this up. please dont fuck this up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Lesnar needs too win please dont fuck this up. please dont fuck this up. Test, Test, this is a test... It will happen. They will fuck up. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I would have Booker T win it. He should start acting more face-like (getting into a mini-feud with an established heel and winning the pay off) and then be positioned in the brackets against heels. He should win all three matches cleanly and they need at least 6 min for the 1st, 10 min for the 2nd, and 20 for the finals, where I would have him go over Angle (sorry Anglesault). A long match with Angle would ensure that it would be good and give Booker a big win over a very good heel. From there I would run with Booker as a face and keep pushing him, providing he gets over strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest caboose Report post Posted March 28, 2002 hopefully they'll go back to quarters on ppv, rather than the semis only crap we had in 2001. i expect the field to be eight of the following: chris benoit rhyno test d'lo brown brock lesnar rey-rey eddie guerrero chris jericho jeff hardy matt hardy bradshaw albert rob van dam x-pac hurricaine booker t maven raven and a few others i'd love to see d'lo win, but then i would have to change my signature. it's probably going to be rvd or benoit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Christian wins (kind of like Owen after Bret) and then cuts a great promo on Edge about how he DID "Billy Gunn" the KOTR title. Then have Christian win the feud...and get a push to the upper midcard. 1) It's been 1 year, not two. 2) How is a push in the upper midcard any different from what Edge has received? 3) What makes you think Christian would handle his push any different or better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest X-Factor Corperation Report post Posted March 28, 2002 He tried to feud with rocky. it didn't generate enough interest to make it to the PPV. He had a January feud with RVD. No one cared. He was made to be the strong member of T and T in February. He injected himself into the Booker/Edge feud, but, and this is a shocker, IT DIDN'T TAKE. I'm guessing that the Rock Test feud was before Rock Jericho. Test was one of Chris Jericho's guys. As for the tornyment I'll say Booker T.... -essa rios Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Test was one of Jericho's guys, but that was after the Rock/Test mini-feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I wouldn't mind seeing any of the following Chris Benoit Chris Kanyon Rhyno Booker T. Christian Raven I also think it would be kind of cool if the had Maven pull off an upset or two and get into the semifinals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I'm hoping for a Tajiri heel turn with him winning the king of the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 "Lesnar needs too win please dont fuck this up. please dont fuck this up. " How about we actually SEE Lesnar work a match or two with some WWF guys. Just because the guy has awesome power doesn't mean he can work an entire match. If power and strength was everything, we'd all be crapping ourselves for Albert, Mark Henry and Big Show. If power was everything Harvard Chris would have won Tough Enough. But, we shall see. As Benoit might say, I want Brock Lesnar to prove me wrong and be THE next big thing. I however do fear the Maven KOTR victory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Olympic Slam, you are a wise, wise man. So that means there's no way in hell you could be Anglesault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Why is everyone shitting themselves over Brock Lesnar despite the fact he has only RANDOMLY run in on 3 matches and hasn't even worked a match himself on TV or even pay per view yet???? I'm sorry I'm not buying into The Brock until I see him ascend throuh the lower and midcard first. Then maybe we can talk King of the Ring. Here are the people I can see winning King Of The Ring, LOGICALLY (remember WWF doesn't always follow that..): Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Chris Jericho (in his push/de-push struggles back to midcarddom), Lance Storm, Chris Benoit The reason why I don't see Christian in this is because, Christian is still a low-carder as much as I hate to admit it. The King Of the Ring is given to someone who is a mid-to-upper-midcarder who needs it. RVD is the msot logical choice. Jericho and Benoit are supposedly already past that level, and one of the nWo guys would make no sense at all, same with anyone else. Even Test, who has been around long enough to prove himself above KOTR. The fact that we are even considering him in the tournament speaks volumes about the WWF's ability to properly book someone's push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 We might get something like this... Test over Hurricane Lesnar over Tajiri Rhyno over Christian Storm over Rikishi Test over Lesnar Rhyno over Storm Test over Rhyno Sad, but possibly true... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Christian wins (kind of like Owen after Bret) and then cuts a great promo on Edge about how he DID "Billy Gunn" the KOTR title. Then have Christian win the feud...and get a push to the upper midcard. 1) It's been 1 year, not two. um...Bret won in 93...Owen in 94 2) How is a push in the upper midcard any different from what Edge has received? It isn't...that's the point 3) What makes you think Christian would handle his push any different or better? Because 1) Christian is better on the mic. 2) Christain is better in the ring 3) by winning the KOTR, he would shed his pouting gimmick, and no longer be stale...like Edge. 4) Because he will be playing off the failure of Edge...and then elavated past him. There isn't enough room in the main event for someone to win the KOTR and move right up. The best thing they can do is solidify a young talent as a top of the midcard, IC threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I bet Christian would have been stale by now if he had gotten the big push. He isn't better in the ring either, anyone who looks objectively at the two can tell. A character change for Edge is a good thing and I see no reason to drop the ball on him like they have done with so many other things. Obviously you have forgotten Edge's promo from after KOTR 2001, talking about if in two years he isn't in a match or defending a title, etc. etc. he's BGed KOTR. Duh. >>There isn't enough room in the main event for someone to win the KOTR and move right up. The best thing they can do is solidify a young talent as a top of the midcard, IC threat.<< That's what they have done with Edge so what are you bitching about? Does anyone not remember where HHH was in June 1998 (jobbing to Rocky clean in the KOTR quarterfinals)? Or Ken Shamrock in June 1999 (jobbing to Billy Gunn in the KOTR quarterfinals too)? Goddamn I hate it when people spout off their opinions as fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 um...down boy. You asked. I answered. Edge has been a failure. His program with Regal made him boring, and his constant push has made him stale. What opinion did I claim as fact? Their isn't enough room in the Main Event for a new elavation? hmm... HHH, Austin, Hogan, Rock, Jericho, Benoit, Nash, Hall, Taker, Angle are all above anyone else... How much more room is there? "Obviously you have forgotten Edge's promo from after KOTR 2001, talking about if in two years he isn't in a match or defending a title, etc. etc. he's BGed KOTR. Duh." Please explain what this has to do with anything? "I bet Christian would have been stale by now if he had gotten the big push. He isn't better in the ring either, anyone who looks objectively at the two can tell. A character change for Edge is a good thing and I see no reason to drop the ball on him like they have done with so many other things" This sounds more like an opinion being passed off as fact than anything I said. "Goddamn I hate it when people spout off their opinions as fact." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 The biggest problem with Edge is that he's lost the IC title in every feud he's been in since KOTR. Christian, Test, Regal, he lost his belt each time. How is anyone gonna look good when they always lose the belt? I hope RVD doesn't have to go through that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 I would think the WWF saw that it hurt Edge...and wouldn't fo it again... ...unless they want to hurt people. So...we'll call it a maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 "1) It's been 1 year, not two. um...Bret won in 93...Owen in 94" That's what I meant. It hasn't been a year yet and you're already crucifying Edge. Preposterous, especially after I pointed out that a couple other KOTR winners (other than BG) were not better off one year after their win. "What opinion did I claim as fact?" This: "3) What makes you think Christian would handle his push any different or better? Because 1) Christian is better on the mic. 2) Christain is better in the ring " Any questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted March 28, 2002 HHH's job at KOTR 98 was NOT clean. One of the Nation members interfered. I think it was either Owen or Mark Henry. From what I've heard, I don't think Rhyno will be back in time for KOTR. Who should win KOTR: a face Booker T Benoit Jericho Storm RVD Lesnar What will probably happen: Stephanie will return and pin all seven guys at once to win the tournament Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Yes. I do have a question. How is anything I post interpreted as a fact by those who read it? I get this all the time. People like you. Why is it that MY posts...and only MY posts are supposedly read as fact? You asked why...I answered. 1) Christian is better on the mic. In my opinion he is. 2) Christian is better in the ring. In my opinion he is. So why is it when I post that, you or one of any number of the bps troll crew calls me out? Why can EVERYONE else post that....and it goes unchecked? Edge has been constantly pushed as the top guy in the midcard since the KOTR. And he has failed at it. RVD came in and took his place. and IN MY OPINION, his failure to work good matches with Regal (WHICH BY THE WAY, COST HIM REGAINING THE BELT IN HIS HOMETOWN AT WRESTLEMANIA, ACCORDING TO MELTZER AND THE OBSERVER) is reason enough for him not to be pushed ahead of other people anymore. If he couldn't handle the pressure of the midcard...what makes the WWF, or anyone esle think that he can handle a push to the top? This is a messageboard. Here we share opionions. Any questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
