No More Places to Look for WMDs...

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Are you trying to say there is no racism in the south Mike?

[Guest JMA]

How can a school stop it?

 

It's done BY the kids AWAY from school.

 

Lame as it was, there wasn't a thing the school could've done.

=Mike

What I've heard is that it is school tradition for the students to decide how the dances are run. They could have stopped it by making a rule against segragated dances.

[Guest JMA]

Are you trying to say there is no racism in the south Mike?

I don't think he was trying to say that. I myself live in the South. And while we do have our share of ignorant rednecks, we're not all like that. For example, Birmingham, Al, is now a very open-minded place, IMO.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Are you trying to say there is no racism in the south Mike?

I don't remember stating that. I'm HARDLY a Southern apologist. This place is laden with inbred yokels and barely literate trash (of ALL races) to a shocking degree.

 

Is there racism here?

 

Yup.

 

Is there MORE here than elsewhere?

 

Nope.

-=Mike

..Is it as bad as it was in the '60's? Good God no.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

When you find some *facts* to prove how black people are generally obnoxious and cheap, other than you and your waiter friends, maybe than I will believe you. Oh wait, no I won't, because that still won't excuse the *fact* that you basically tried to justify your stereotyping of black people. I guess that means that I can justify that all white people are dumbasses, based on the amount of times that my friends, my brother or myself have been pulled over on the road, or the fact that we seem to be questioned standing in front of a mall, while thirteen year-old white kids are standing beside me smoking. Let's not forget the fact that I live in Toronto, which last time I checked was the most multicultural city in the world. I would hate to see what would happen if I was living somewhere else in the south.

 

ME: "All cops are racist, and tend to only pick on coloured people."

 

YOU: "All black people are unwelcome at a restaurant, which is how I can justify the fact that it's alright for them not to be in certain places."

 

See what I mean? Don't talk through your ass. I've served at a small-time restaurant before, and have never experienced any of that with black people, and I'm generally known to be "as whitewashed as they come", although it's said in jest

 

I also think it's a little hypocritical of you to justify your defense of white people not serving blacks because of "past experience", yet to hate the gas station guy because he refused to serve you, probably due to "past experience". See how pissed off you felt? Pretty much the same thing....

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

In my food/customer service experiences I found that blacks were usually more obnoxious than whites. Of course I served less minorities, so the idiots stuck out more. Does this mean I view every black as a cheap, loudmouth putz? No...

Edited June 18, 2003 by kkktookmybabyaway

[Guest Ripper]

There are resturants that still have a no blacks policy, they just don't say it.  There are plenty of resturants that when blacks come in and sit down will simply never be waited on.  Now there are no signs, there isn't some big white guy named bubba coming out the back with a cleaver saying "We don't take kindly to your kind round here..." but it happens. 

 

Jesse Jackson doesn't sue these places because they are usually small, family owned places and there is no money in it for him. 

 

Calling someone a liar because you haven't seen it is ridiculous.  There are plenty of places in the Alabama and Georgia area that I personally know of that there is still STRICT segregation.  It is a understood thing that blacks don't come in here and whites won't go over there. 

 

Is it as rampant as it was in the 60's? No...does it still happen...yes. 

 

Last year, there was a near race riot at my home town highschool when this black girl kissed her white boyfriend.  the Jr. Klan members didn't take to kindly to this and the black students didn't like the big ol' racist white boys in the girls face and there came the fighting.  Cops were on patrol at the school for the rest of the year.  My senior year, 8 white student jumped a black kid for trying to hit on a white girl and they didn't get punished.  Then came the race fights.  Cops till the end of they year. 

 

You all didn't hear about this because basically, it was handled in a small town and people weren't just calling the news.  In small towns, people live and let live.  This is how the No Blacks allowed policy can continue to thrive without you knowing about it. 

 

As for the WMD thing.  Now I don't believe that there are any there and I don't care...I am happy Saddam is out of power.  BUT... the people that were against the war were saying "It has only been 10 months, give the inspectors more time to find the WMD" now the EXACT same people are saying "It's been 10 weeks...why haven't you found the WMD...you are LIARS!!!!!"

 

You can't have it both ways.

Do you know WHY blacks "don't get served" in restaurants? As a former waiter, I can tell you EXACTLY why. It boils down to this:

 

1) Black tables don't tend to tip well. Call it racist, but based on MY experience as a waiter --- and the experience of ALL the other serves (INCLUDING the black ones) --- they will run you the most and tip you the least; many of them don't tip and a nice chunk of them don't even pay the bill.

 

2) They tend to be pains in the BUTT. They just are --- and again, it's not like black servers didn't say the EXACT same thing. There were plenty of bad tables; but the PERCENTAGE of them as FAR lesser than the black tables.

 

Racism -- or simply waiters using past experience to determine if a table is worth the time or effort? It's not institutional --- it's simply past experience.

 

 

Jesse sues a place because he is a total media and money whore. Let's not attempt to attach noble reasons for his actions.

 

Hmm, so I can say something COMPLETELY asinine and patently false and NOBODY can ever call me on it? You sure you want to travel down this road? I will say --- to your face --- that YOU are lying. Again, if these places existed, they'd be SUED OUT OF EXISTENCE. It really isn't hard to fathom.

 

Heck, I've been to black-owned gas stations (The Hot Spot about 2 miles from Five Points, if you want specifics --- and this happened just yesterday for that matter) where they refused to turn on the pumps for whatever reason.

 

Do I call them racist or say that this is even a policy? No, I say that the people who run the station are blithering idiots and if they go out of business, they bloody well deserve it.

 

There is a world of difference between de facto segregation and de jure segregation. If blacks wish to not frequent "white" establishment, fine. If whites don't wish to frequent "black" establishments, fine.

 

Again, WORLD of difference between de jure and de facto segregation.

-=Mike

Do you know WHY blacks "don't get served" in restaurants? As a former waiter, I can tell you EXACTLY why. It boils down to this:

 

1) Black tables don't tend to tip well. Call it racist, but based on MY experience as a waiter --- and the experience of ALL the other serves (INCLUDING the black ones) --- they will run you the most and tip you the least; many of them don't tip and a nice chunk of them don't even pay the bill.

 

2) They tend to be pains in the BUTT. They just are --- and again, it's not like black servers didn't say the EXACT same thing. There were plenty of bad tables; but the PERCENTAGE of them as FAR lesser than the black tables.

 

Racism -- or simply waiters using past experience to determine if a table is worth the time or effort? It's not institutional --- it's simply past experience.

 

That, my friend is bullshit. There is a huge difference between not serving black customers at all and having preconcived notions about how they will tip or how good of customers they will be. The Front Porch, a eating establishment in my home town WILL NOT SERVE BLACK PEOPLE. AT ALL. NEVER. EVER. After this became common knowledge, black people stopped going there. Every once in a while, someone will come through town on a trip and stop there to eat and they soon discover the same thing. Its not "because blacks don't tip well" or whatever else you believe to be going on in that backwards ass part city you live in. It is POLICY. "Management retains the right to not offer service to anyone it sees fit" is the statement they hide behind. There are gas stations in the south that won't let Blacks get gas their...IF THEY DON"T LET ANYONE OF SOME RACE NOT USE THEIR PRODUCT, IT IS POLICY. To pretend it doesn't exist anymore is ridiculous.

 

I am from Alabama, live in Georgia and used to spend my summers in Mississippi while growing up. I KNOW the south. The racist south is overblown alot, but it certainly isn't a rarity to find whites(or blacks for that matter) that will hold on to the Ol' South for dear life.

 

I would like to say that for every blatant racist action you see their will be 50 people to disprove the southern whites are all racist myth. BUT IT IS STILL THERE AND IT ISN'T RARE.

 

Hell Mike, you're from the south and fall into the racist white guy catagory...

[Guest TheMikeSC]

When you find some *facts* to prove how black people are generally obnoxious and cheap, other than you and your waiter friends, maybe than I will believe you. Oh wait, no I won't, because that still won't excuse the *fact* that you basically tried to justify your stereotyping of black people. I guess that means that I can justify that all white people are dumbasses, based on the amount of times that my friends, my brother or myself have been pulled over on the road, or the fact that we seem to be questioned standing in front of a mall, while thirteen year-old white kids are standing beside me smoking. Let's not forget the fact that I live in Toronto, which last time I checked was the most multicultural city in the world. I would hate to see what would happen if I was living somewhere else in the south.

 

ME: "All cops are racist, and tend to only pick on coloured people."

 

YOU: "All black people are unwelcome at a restaurant, which is how I can justify the fact that it's alright for them not to be in certain places."

 

See what I mean? Don't talk through your ass. I've served at a small-time restaurant before, and have never experienced any of that with black people, and I'm generally known to be "as whitewashed as they come", although it's said in jest

 

I also think it's a little hypocritical of you to justify your defense of white people not serving blacks because of "past experience", yet to hate the gas station guy because he refused to serve you, probably due to "past experience". See how pissed off you felt? Pretty much the same thing....

Can I provide "Facts"?

 

I suppose you missed that whole "MY EXPERIENCE" thing, huh? I guess I will try and use smaller words from now on to allow the members of the peanut gallery to keep up.

 

You call it unfair all you wish -- won't change REALITY. In my experience --- and the experience of EVERY SINGLE WAITER I ever worked with --- black and white --- black tables were the most likely to stiff you or not tip at all and are the most likely to be loud and obnoxious.

 

Am I saying ALL blacks are that way? No --- but enough of them are to make people -- and you seem to miss that BLACKS FELT THE SAME WAY --- not wish to take a chance on them.

 

As for my experience with the gas station --- I did not bitch, moan, or file a suit. I simply took my business ELSEWHERE and hoped to see the day where that station goes out of business for its poor practices.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Hell Mike, you're from the south and fall into the racist white guy catagory...

Well, Ripper, you are a moronic little dipshit.

 

Correction, you are an OBNOXIOUS little dipshit without the common sense God gave a nail.

 

I don't assume all blacks are moronic little dipshits.

 

Just you.

 

Dumb-ass.

-=Mike

...Who is moving tomorrow and is unlikely to return to these boards after that. And won't really miss it.

[Guest EricMM]

...Who is moving tomorrow and is unlikely to return to these boards after that. And won't really miss it.

 

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

Sincerely.

-=Eric

...who will miss those lil custom taglines