Worst Pay Per View Ever.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

God this PPV Sucked.

 

Michaels and Flair was bearable, but by no means good, let alone a classic. Flair is just too old and broken down but he tried. When Flair worked over HBK's knee, I turned to everyone in the room and said "in 10 minutes he will be running about without a care in the world". Sure enough, he was.

 

The table spot was out of nowhere. It wasn't a no holds barred match was it? The most annoying aspect of the whole match is that the point of the whole thing was to seemingly put over Randy Orton. I don't care what anyone says, Orton fucking stinks.

 

Goldberg sold his shoulder really well. But Goldberg shouldn't be selling. The WWE has totally killed him.

 

Anyone who thought that the main event was anything more than passable is on crack. NOTHING happened until they brought out every shortcut in the book.

 

All in all, this was the worst PPV of the year by a mile.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

This can't be the worst PPV ever, because Jericho-Goldberg was really rather groovesome, but more pertinently....

 

Steiner.

Falling off the Apron.

On his face.

 

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! No, really, one of the best things I've ever seen in wrestling. It was a thing of sheer beauty. Think about it. it was right at the beginning of the match, it was meant to be especially heroic and there were no bothersome heinous injuries to take away the sheer joy of watching Scott Steiner falling flat on his face. That shit's what makes me proud to be a wrestling fan.

[Guest nikowwf]

It wasn't the worst PPV ever. The last 3 matches weren't bad. It may have been the most annoying PPV ever, as there were things that pissed me off in almost every match except Goldberg/Jericho.

 

And I didn't mind Goldberg selling, cause they had him injure himself, which weakened him, which allowed Jericho to get in offense. And he still won clean.

 

my annoyances...

using tag title match to set up kane turn on raw (um, i paid for this - can we do it now?), generally craptastic wrestling for first hour and a half, every bischoff/austin skit sucked to an incredible degree, booker t/christian finish, dudley angle and finish, flair/michaels finish (mind you, i dont mind faces losing but they were all so anticlimatic and dull and didn't help anyone), foley acting as a heel ref (heroic hhh overcomes even heel ref!), no trish, and not one interesting angle set up from ppv.

 

niko

[Detective Comics 0]

Steiner.

Falling off the Apron.

On his face.

 

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! No, really, one of the best things I've ever seen in wrestling. It was a thing of sheer beauty. Think about it. it was right at the beginning of the match, it was meant to be especially heroic and there were no bothersome heinous injuries to take away the sheer joy of watching Scott Steiner falling flat on his face. That shit's what makes me proud to be a wrestling fan.

Can you imagine the reaction in the locker room? I mean, I had to stand up from my chair and walk to another room I was laughing so hard.

[Guest RenegadeX28]

The only good matches were HBK vs. Flair, and the HIAC. Oh boy...if RAW was this bad...imagine the SD PPV....

[Guest notJames]

The only glaring suck point I can see in the upcoming SD! PPV would be anything involving Mr. America, and possibly a returning Nathan Jones. The wrestling will more than carry Vengeance past the suckitude of Bad Blood, and hopefully the SE will be held to a minimum.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Smackdown's PPV is going to better, unless they purposely sabotage it. There's just so much talent there to utilize in 3 hours.

 

Then again, this IS the WWE.

[LooseCannon25 0]

No way Smackdown's PPV can be worse than Raw PPV. They got Angle, Benoit, Mysterio, Spanky, Cena, Guerrero, Team angle, Rhyno. Musch better workrate on the Smackdown roster. Of course we'll have to deal with Vince vs. Hogan taking up at least 30 minutes and maybe Nathan Jones and Taker stinking it up.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

After this PPV, my opinion of Jericho, Goldberg and Test has gone up. And Test should have gone over, goddammit!

My opinions of Steiner, Nash, HHH, Michaels and Flair have gone down

I think that WWE would be better off not running this PPV. It hasn't advanced anything whatsoever.

Also, Jericho was working on the shoulder to stop the spear, which he's been avoiding all month, NOT to set him up for the Walls Of Jericho.

[Guest papacita]

Also, Jericho was working on the shoulder to stop the spear, which he's been avoiding all month, NOT to set him up for the Walls Of Jericho.

That was pretty obvious. What I was saying is that it would've been more believable if he had gone for some kinda armbar to continue the work on the shoulder rather than going for the Walls and having Goldberg power out using his injured shoulder. Like I said before, I'm normally don't mind psychology but that ending just seemed stupid to me.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I thought the PPV was the best since WrestleMania. Even though it was by no means great, I was thoroughly entertained.

 

The opener was inoffensive and got the crowd into the show. Although another Dudley Boyz split is not necessary, butfrom what I heard they will be remaining as a team. Personally, I like the Nowinski/Mack pairing.

 

The burping contest was insultingly bad.

 

Steiner-Test was bad. I thought his fall was funny, so that was more a plus for me than anything else. Test should have gone over, but what are you gonna do?

 

Christian-Booker was OK and I liked the finish even though it was a on the screwy side. It made Christian come off as someone who looks for any loopholes possible. It looks as if they are making him out to be the next Honky Tonk Man.

 

Shoot me. I liked the pie-eating nonsense. It was funny and Austin's stunner at the end was icing on the cake.

 

The Tag-Title was match was way too short (I barely remember it). I'm getting sick of Kane/RVD as a team. MAYBE... JUST MAYBE.... RVD will get one more big singles push and he just might win the big one. Seriously, who else is left to beat HHH? On the downside, Raw only has one other face team, the Dudley Boyz, who I find extremely stale and dull.

 

I really liked Goldberg-Jericho probably since I wasn't expecting much. Jericho did a good job carrying the match. He easily gave Goldberg his best match in years.

 

Flair-Michaels was pretty good. That table spot was fucking sick. First Michaels mid-air twist, then Flair bleeding from the back of his head. The way the table expolded was unbelievable. I figured HBK would go over, but I guess they want to leave the option open for either a rematch or HBK-Orton.

 

I didn't watch the Hogpen angle, but as for the entire Triatholon. The WWE knew it would be crap, but they figured by putting Austin and Bischoff's names on the card in a "competition" of sorts, it would draw maybe a fewer buys. IMO, that is a logical train of thought.

 

HIAC obviously did not live up to the standard of what a HIAC match should be. Foley took some big bumps, but unless we get a Foley-HHH match, this was completely pointless. At least Nash is out of the main events for awhile.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Also, Jericho was working on the shoulder to stop the spear, which he's been avoiding all month, NOT to set him up for the Walls Of Jericho.

That was pretty obvious. What I was saying is that it would've been more believable if he had gone for some kinda armbar to continue the work on the shoulder rather than going for the Walls and having Goldberg power out using his injured shoulder. Like I said before, I'm normally don't mind psychology but that ending just seemed stupid to me.

Yeah, but the Walls Of Jericho is his signature move, and also pops the crowd for a near finish. If Goldberg's in prime position for it, he's gonna go for it to finish the match. Also, an injured shoulder will hinder Goldberg getting out of the WoJ. The fact that he got out using his legs as opposed to his arms also buts over his lower body strength.

 

I agree, if Goldberg was up against, for example, Benoit, who has a submission move which concentrates on the shoulder it would have been perfect. But, Jericho going for his finishing move while Goldberg was still able to get out of it allowed the opening for a second spear. Jericho could have kept going for armbars all night, but it would have been a boring match.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

I thought the PPV was the best since WrestleMania. Even though it was by no means great, I was thoroughly entertained.

 

The opener was inoffensive and got the crowd into the show. Although another Dudley Boyz split is not necessary, butfrom what I heard they will be remaining as a team. Personally, I like the Nowinski/Mack pairing.

 

The burping contest was insultingly bad.

 

Steiner-Test was bad. I thought his fall was funny, so that was more a plus for me than anything else. Test should have gone over, but what are you gonna do?

 

Christian-Booker was OK and I liked the finish even though it was a on the screwy side. It made Christian come off as someone who looks for any loopholes possible. It looks as if they are making him out to be the next Honky Tonk Man.

 

Shoot me. I liked the pie-eating nonsense. It was funny and Austin's stunner at the end was icing on the cake.

 

The Tag-Title was match was way too short (I barely remember it). I'm getting sick of Kane/RVD as a team. MAYBE... JUST MAYBE.... RVD will get one more big singles push and he just might win the big one. Seriously, who else is left to beat HHH? On the downside, Raw only has one other face team, the Dudley Boyz, who I find extremely stale and dull.

 

I really liked Goldberg-Jericho probably since I wasn't expecting much. Jericho did a good job carrying the match. He easily gave Goldberg his best match in years.

 

Flair-Michaels was pretty good. That table spot was fucking sick. First Michaels mid-air twist, then Flair bleeding from the back of his head. The way the table expolded was unbelievable. I figured HBK would go over, but I guess they want to leave the option open for either a rematch or HBK-Orton.

 

I didn't watch the Hogpen angle, but as for the entire Triatholon. The WWE knew it would be crap, but they figured by putting Austin and Bischoff's names on the card in a "competition" of sorts, it would draw maybe a fewer buys. IMO, that is a logical train of thought.

 

HIAC obviously did not live up to the standard of what a HIAC match should be. Foley took some big bumps, but unless we get a Foley-HHH match, this was completely pointless. At least Nash is out of the main events for awhile.

You're right, that does sound like it was worth the money

 

And the stuff about the Redneck Triathlon being a "logical train of thought" might be true, but that's not a valid excuse to put that kind of crap on PPV. "Oh right, they screwed the fans into buying the PPV by putting their names on it. Good job WWE, how could we criticize that?"

[Guest Retro Rob]

I thought the PPV was the best since WrestleMania.  Even though it was by no means great, I was thoroughly entertained.

 

The opener was inoffensive and got the crowd into the show.  Although another Dudley Boyz split is not necessary, butfrom what I heard they will be remaining as a team.  Personally, I like the Nowinski/Mack pairing.

 

The burping contest was insultingly bad.

 

Steiner-Test was bad.  I thought his fall was funny, so that was more a plus for me than anything else.  Test should have gone over, but what are you gonna do?

 

Christian-Booker was OK and I liked the finish even though it was a on the screwy side.  It made Christian come off as someone who looks for any loopholes possible.  It looks as if they are making him out to be the next Honky Tonk Man.

 

Shoot me.  I liked the pie-eating nonsense.  It was funny and Austin's stunner at the end was icing on the cake.

 

The Tag-Title was match was way too short (I barely remember it).  I'm getting sick of Kane/RVD as a team.  MAYBE... JUST MAYBE.... RVD will get one more big singles push and he just might win the big one.  Seriously, who else is left to beat HHH?  On the downside, Raw only has one other face team, the Dudley Boyz, who I find extremely stale and dull.

 

I really liked Goldberg-Jericho probably since I wasn't expecting much.  Jericho did a good job carrying the match.  He easily gave Goldberg his best match in years.

 

Flair-Michaels was pretty good.  That table spot was fucking sick.  First Michaels mid-air twist, then Flair bleeding from the back of his head.  The way the table expolded was unbelievable.  I figured HBK would go over, but I guess they want to leave the option open for either a rematch or HBK-Orton.

 

I didn't watch the Hogpen angle, but as for the entire Triatholon.  The WWE knew it would be crap, but they figured by putting Austin and Bischoff's names on the card in a "competition" of sorts, it would draw maybe a fewer buys.  IMO, that is a logical train of thought.

 

HIAC obviously did not live up to the standard of what a HIAC match should be.  Foley took some big bumps, but unless we get a Foley-HHH match, this was completely pointless.  At least Nash is out of the main events for awhile.

You're right, that does sound like it was worth the money

 

And the stuff about the Redneck Triathlon being a "logical train of thought" might be true, but that's not a valid excuse to put that kind of crap on PPV. "Oh right, they screwed the fans into buying the PPV by putting their names on it. Good job WWE, how could we criticize that?"

I didn't say it was worth $35... most PPVs are not worth $35, but I was entertained enough to not be pissed off for buying the show, like I was in April and would have been in May if I ordered Judgment Day.

 

You can criticize it all you want, but the bottom line is that the WWE needed to use all the draws they had in order to make people buy this show (Flair vs. HBK, Foley), so it is understandable as to why they would go ahead with the Redneck Triathlon. Does that mean the Triathlon was good in an entertainment sense? Absolutely not, but if it brought in a few extra buys, then it was worth it as pertains to business.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

It's funny, because Johnson is still dodging my question.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

I didn't say it was worth $35... most PPVs are not worth $35, but I was entertained enough to not be pissed off for buying the show, like I was in April and would have been in May if I ordered Judgment Day.

 

You can criticize it all you want, but the bottom line is that the WWE needed to use all the draws they had in order to make people buy this show (Flair vs. HBK, Foley), so it is understandable as to why they would go ahead with the Redneck Triathlon. Does that mean the Triathlon was good in an entertainment sense? Absolutely not, but if it brought in a few extra buys, then it was worth it as pertains to business.

I'll never understand how somebody can spend $35 on a PPV, get something in return that isn't wort the money, and then not be pissed about it. But that's your choice.

 

I don't care if it brought in a couple of extra buys. That doesn't change the fact that it sucked and was probably the worst collection of skits I have ever seen in the WWE. I don't work for the WWE, I watch the shows for my entertainment. You do the same, I guess. The Triathlon had no entertainment value, was a gigantic waste of time that could have been used to showcase more wrestlers (which could also bring in more PPV buys in the furture if one of them gets over), and it had no point. So Austin won the thing, and what now? It served no purpose other than wasting valuable PPV time. Maybe it brought in a couple more buys for this PPV, but it did nothing for the future. Many wrestling fans will probably think twice about buying another RAW-only PPV now. That's good for business?

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

That was bad. Very bad. BUT not KOTR95 or even last month's Judgment Day level of bad.

 

HBK/Flair was going ok until the retarted table spot(although it looked cool). It had no point in context of the match, the storyline or in general. Since when is HBK a hardcore wrestler? And yah the whole match existed to put over Orton. Still it wasn't bad.

 

HHH/Nash was tolerable and atleast better than Taker/Bossman.

 

Jericho/Goldberg was miles above what I thought it'd be and the crowd turning on Goldberg was funny.

 

Everything else SUCKED BAD. And the crowd never recovered from Book losing in his hometown.

 

Still the three top matches keep it from worst ever.

 

Oh and I'm sure Vince gets off while Bischoff gets humiliated as payback for Bisch thinking he could compete with Vince.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I'll never understand how somebody can spend $35 on a PPV, get something in return that isn't wort the money, and then not be pissed about it. But that's your choice.

 

Well as for last night... Me and my friend generally split the price of the PPV. We played poker and I whooped his ass, thus the show costs me nothing. Even if I did pay $17 or however much half of it is, I wouldn't have been pissed off because the show was not as horrible as everyone is making it out to be. How can it be the worst PPV ever, or even THIS YEAR for that matter?? Now then if it came down to me watching the show byself and paying $35, I absolutely would not have even considered ordering it.

 

I don't care if it brought in a couple of extra buys. That doesn't change the fact that it sucked and was probably the worst collection of skits I have ever seen in the WWE. I don't work for the WWE, I watch the shows for my entertainment. You do the same, I guess. The Triathlon had no entertainment value, was a gigantic waste of time that could have been used to showcase more wrestlers (which could also bring in more PPV buys in the furture if one of them gets over), and it had no point. So Austin won the thing, and what now? It served no purpose other than wasting valuable PPV time. Maybe it brought in a couple more buys for this PPV, but it did nothing for the future. Many wrestling fans will probably think twice about buying another RAW-only PPV now. That's good for business?

 

Don't be so quick to think that the average mark did not like the Redneck Triathlon. I watched the show with two friends that are BARELY casual viewers (they used to be regular viewers each week), and they thought the Mae Young act was pretty funny and one of them marked out for the tennis players involvment towards the end. Your average fan enjoys seeing Austin kick Bischoff's ass, and that's what they got, so although most of us thought it was ridiculous, we do not really make up the majority of the WWE fanbase.

[Guest nikowwf]

if it brought in a few extra buys, then it was worth it as pertains to business.

That is an excellent point. It also completely disproves your argument, as MATCHES sell PPV's, not skits. Find me one PPV that was sold based on a skit and did well that didn't have a killer match on top. I think at this point the skits are actually hurting interest in the PPV's, as the few extra buys some more good matches could have gotten were killed to make room for THE REDNECK CRAPFEST. Plus, the crapfest was so bad that it will lessen the value any future skits on PPV could have in selling the show.

 

niko

[Guest Retro Rob]

if it brought in a few extra buys, then it was worth it as pertains to business.

That is an excellent point. It also completely disproves your argument, as MATCHES sell PPV's, not skits. Find me one PPV that was sold based on a skit and did well that didn't have a killer match on top. I think at this point the skits are actually hurting interest in the PPV's, as the few extra buys some more good matches could have gotten were killed to make room for THE REDNECK CRAPFEST. Plus, the crapfest was so bad that it will lessen the value any future skits on PPV could have in selling the show.

 

niko

The Triathlon was promoted as a competition. Which match, not already on the card, could have been inserted in place of Austin-Bischoff that would have drawn in viewers? Orton-Helms? Jazz-Ivory? Maven-Storm? Austin and Bischoff have star power. The common fan enjoys seeing them.

 

Didn't No Way Out do relatively well last year?

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

Don't be so quick to think that the average mark did not like the Redneck Triathlon. I watched the show with two friends that are BARELY casual viewers (they used to be regular viewers each week), and they thought the Mae Young act was pretty funny and one of them marked out for the tennis players involvment towards the end. Your average fan enjoys seeing Austin kick Bischoff's ass, and that's what they got, so although most of us thought it was ridiculous, we do not really make up the majority of the WWE fanbase.

I wasn't talking about an obscure group of people called "the average mark", I said "many wrestling fans". That could include guys like you and me and marks. If I had ordered the PPV I would be pissed off and wouldn't buy another RAW PPV for the time being. I've already read a lot of the feedback on other sites and there were plenty of guys who'll only order Smackdown PPV's from now on. How does that help the WWE's cause?

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

I watched it with a friend who's a huge mark who cheers for Taker above all and enjoyed HIAC...he HATED the Triathlon and considered a waste of time.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

The Triathlon was promoted as a competition. Which match, not already on the card, could have been inserted in place of Austin-Bischoff that would have drawn in viewers? Orton-Helms? Jazz-Ivory? Maven-Storm? Austin and Bischoff have star power. The common fan enjoys seeing them.

 

Didn't No Way Out do relatively well last year?

The purpose of 1 or 2 extra matches for the guys you mentioned wouldn't have been to draw in more viewers but to showcase them on PPV and in a feud with more time for their matches. How are guys like Storm or Helms supposed to draw in viewers if they are never allowed to show their stuff? A 2 or 3 minute RAW match every other week doesn't cut it.

 

Maybe they could be draws if they were actually pushed. But no, they have to make time for craptastic skits. If they keep this up it will hurt them badly in the long run.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I wasn't talking about an obscure group of people called "the average mark", I said "many wrestling fans". That could include guys like you and me and marks. If I had ordered the PPV I would be pissed off and wouldn't buy another RAW PPV for the time being. I've already read a lot of the feedback on other sites and there were plenty of guys who'll only order Smackdown PPV's from now on. How does that help the WWE's cause?

Obscure group of people? The average mark makes up at least 75% of the fanbase depending on whos numbers you want to use. They are the majority.

 

Isn't it asinine to decide from this point on you will no longer order Raw PPVs and only stick to SD! PPVs considering 1) SD! has not had a PPV yet thus you have nothing to compare to Raw's PPV and 2) These same people on the those sites will most likely order each and every PPV until they give up on wrestling altogether. That is what most of the fans in the IWC do. They order the PPVs, bitch and moan, and then they order the PPVs again, this way they could once again bitch and moan. It's a never ending cycle.

 

The show was decent at best, but it did have both it's pluses and it's minuses. I think it is absurd to call it the worst PPV this year, but then again that line gets thrown around every month now. Honestly sit back and compare Bad Blood to Backlash and Judgment Day. I would say the OVERALL quality of WWE PPVs has gradually increased from April to June. Maybe I'm screwed up for looking for positives and not just pointing out the negatives that everyone can see. To put a spin on what Eric Bischoff said last night, "Anyone can find the positives in the good shows and the negatives in the bad shows."

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

It's funny, because Johnson is still dodging my question.

 

I answered your question. If it wasn't the answer you wanted then tough. You'll live.

Edited June 16, 2003 by Johnson1620

[Guest Dangerous A]

Bad Blood wasn't as bad as KOTR 95 and can't even shake a stick to Heroes of Wrestling or GAB 91.

 

In all honesty, I'd say Bad Blood was as bad as the last 2 ppv's and those were dual brand ppv's. I got news for all of you, Vengeance is gonna suck balls too. Better off waiting till Summerslam.

[Guest Brian]

What's the Vengeance card looking like? Angle/Lesnar? Mysterio will get a match. It can't be too bad.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

How can you say that Vengeance will suck? Right now it looks like we could get Angle/Lesnar, a Guerrero/Tajiri title defense, a Mysterio defense (perhaps against Ultimo) and a Benoit/Rhyno match. It COULD still suck, but it sure doesn't look like it.

 

They should hold off on Angle/Lesnar until Summerslam, though.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

It's funny, because Johnson is still dodging my question.

 

I answered your question. If it wasn't the answer you wanted then tough. You'll live.

"Your question is irrelevant. I loved the Horsemen".

 

The above quote was your answer when I called you out the first time. Do you call that a fucking answer? If you wanna bitch-out on this one, fine. Do so. But don't avoid the question entirely.

[AnonymousBroccoli 0]

I'll never understand how somebody can spend $35 on a PPV, get something in return that isn't wort the money, and then not be pissed about it.

I really didn't like Backlash, and it's led to me not ordering anything until I've read some reactions. I don't have the funds to pay for a live feed of performance shit.