Guest The Juice Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 If you ever study the Book of Mormon in depth it's very flawed and even borrowed from other writings. I did several years ago and I can't remember any flaws, except for the "flaws" christians point out that aren't real flaws.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 You'd think God would think of a better way to do it. I mean, if I were god, I'd do it a helluva lot better... given that I am the be all/end all and whatnot... What better way is there? The Bible is chocked full of stories about people who had God's work, power, and glory right in front of their freakin faces and STILL didn't believe. What would make today's society any different? He did the best idea there was. Leave a collection of his teachings in written format.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 OK. What about the Book of Moromon. A whole testament that the "Christians" have convienantly forgotten about. Also, SP, please elaborate on you expierences. Like I had said earlier, I was born and raised a christian and have seen many facinationg things. I am just curious. I could sit here and pick apart the Book of Moromon all night. Well, I might have to refer to some of my papers and whatnot, but I could do so. It's full of so many flaws that it's not even funny. Not to mention that it was written by someone in, I believe in 1830 or so, and that makes it even that much more of a joke. The Bible is very exact in that no others would come forth to bring such messages, it even warns against "false prophets" and everything, which is exactly what that Mr. Joseph Smith was.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 You're right, it is about faith. Cause faith really is a leap over logic, and if you can't use logic, then you can't really explain anything to anyone.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Ok, when you're 80 years old you tell a story from your 20's, and then go on in detail about what your good buddy said to you... or you tell stories that your father or grandfather told you... and then get another person to translate it... My stories aren't important enough for God to back up himself. I think something this important wouldn't be allowed to be clumsly thrown together.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 God could have left a video or something. Maybe include something on abortion, or cyber-terrorism or something more 'modern'... I mean, it's God, he knows the future - he should have all the rules laid out.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 You're right, it is about faith. Cause faith really is a leap over logic, and if you can't use logic, then you can't really explain anything to anyone. Exactly. For one to accept it, they just have to basicly "let go" and let it happen. You either do it, or you don't, that's all. I can sit back and think as a non-Christian, and I know it sounds very far fetched, it all does. It's just something we choose to believe, it helps us all, and we feel in our hearts that it's right, that's all.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Like I said before leaving a video wouldn't convice the stubborn. If Old Testament people wouldn't believe pillars of smoke and fire and plagues and still kept going astray then how would a video do better?
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 But it was very clumsy. Certainly nothing that a God, an all powerful perfect-being, would allow...
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 God could have left a video or something. Maybe include something on abortion, or cyber-terrorism or something more 'modern'... I mean, it's God, he knows the future - he should have all the rules laid out. He gave us the basics, what would be able to be applied to any generation in the future.
Guest The Juice Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 OK. What about the Book of Moromon. A whole testament that the "Christians" have convienantly forgotten about. Also, SP, please elaborate on you expierences. Like I had said earlier, I was born and raised a christian and have seen many facinationg things. I am just curious. I could sit here and pick apart the Book of Moromon all night. Well, I might have to refer to some of my papers and whatnot, but I could do so. It's full of so many flaws that it's not even funny. Not to mention that it was written by someone in, I believe in 1830 or so, and that makes it even that much more of a joke. The Bible is very exact in that no others would come forth to bring such messages, it even warns against "false prophets" and everything, which is exactly what that Mr. Joseph Smith was. How could it have been translated any earlier? The tablets were only discovered a few years earlier. The whole "Jesus" thing is flawed. But Downhome is correct it all boils down to blind faith.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 But it was very clumsy. Certainly nothing that a God, an all powerful perfect-being, would allow... No I think Humans have just made it seem clumsy by twisting it around and making it seem complicated when it really isn't.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Video is more exact. There is a direct-to-viewer dynamic that translations and oral traditions just don't have.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Well when we get to heaven let's ask God why he didn't do that. Sometimes I just have faith that he knows what he's doing far more than we ever will.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 So it's not complicated? Basing a book on hearsay and very long-term memory and translations, is "easy"?
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 You also got to remember that the Bible isn't the full collection of writings so who said it wasn't written down? There are hundreds of writings that didn't make the final cut of the Bible.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Forget a video, if God wanted he could just shout out to everyone on the Earth that he is God and show himself to the bare eye. He will not do so however, as that isn't what being a Christian is about. He gives us what we need as people, and it's up to us to accept it or not, again, based on faith.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..."
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..." No of course not. If God got pissed everytime someone had a question then we'd all be in trouble. The Psalms are full of doubts and questions. It's what helps us grow in knowledge.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 The Bibles words are obviously not divine. Too many people have bastardized it's meaning and taken advantage of others with its words. So how does God expect everyone to get ahold of the good book and find salvation? And why would he punish them for not doing so?
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 The Bible is divine, you can't blame it for what man has done in it's name however. I could take the Bible and make it mean a bunch of things, but it will be my fault for twisting it in that way. Again, it all comes down to just accepting these things or not.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Forget a video, if God wanted he could just shout out to everyone on the Earth that he is God and show himself to the bare eye. He will not do so however, as that isn't what being a Christian is about. He gives us what we need as people, and it's up to us to accept it or not, again, based on faith. God doesn't want to take away our free will. and RRR just because people twist the words that are written doesn't mean the words themselves are wrong. Most people don't ever look in the Bible to see if what they're hearing is right or not and that's why so many follow error and use words they've only heard sparingly against others.
Guest The Juice Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..." No of course not. If God got pissed everytime someone had a question then we'd all be in trouble. The Psalms are full of doubts and questions. It's what helps us grow in knowledge. But the questions aren't ever answered. We're just told to have faith in that in a book which is, like RRR said, based in hearsay and very long-term memory and translations, that a man did all these miraculous things and rose from the dead, and we are supposed to have faith. Man I lived it my entire life, and I ain't buyin it anymore.
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 I don't know what God is thinking. Sometimes we're so lazy about spreading his word that I worry he'll turn the tables and let those who never heard in to punish us for keeping the word to ourselves.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Forget a video, if God wanted he could just shout out to everyone on the Earth that he is God and show himself to the bare eye. He will not do so however, as that isn't what being a Christian is about. He gives us what we need as people, and it's up to us to accept it or not, again, based on faith. God doesn't want to take away our free will. Exactly! I don't want to sound crazy by saying this, but the film Bruce Almighty displayed this in a cool way I thought. At it's heart, it really said a lot about Christianity in a good light.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 But shouldn't the "holy spirit" steer people away from that sort of thing? I mean, I hear Christians talk about SO many "non-christians" who still believe in Christ and whatnot, because they "don't understand the true meaning of the bible". How can so many people get it wrong, if this book is Divine?
LaParkaYourCar Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Forget a video, if God wanted he could just shout out to everyone on the Earth that he is God and show himself to the bare eye. He will not do so however, as that isn't what being a Christian is about. He gives us what we need as people, and it's up to us to accept it or not, again, based on faith. God doesn't want to take away our free will. Exactly! I don't want to sound crazy by saying this, but the film Bruce Almighty displayed this in a cool way I thought. At it's heart, it really said a lot about Christianity in a good light. You're right. That's why I'm so buying Bruce Almighty when it comes out on DVD. I was highly pleased with it.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..." No of course not. If God got pissed everytime someone had a question then we'd all be in trouble. The Psalms are full of doubts and questions. It's what helps us grow in knowledge. But the questions aren't ever answered. We're just told to have faith in that in a book which is, like RRR said, based in hearsay and very long-term memory and translations, that a man did all these miraculous things and rose from the dead, and we are supposed to have faith. Man I lived it my entire life, and I ain't buyin it anymore. For are many documents that are historical, which basicly prove the life of Jesus Christ, his miracles, and even his death and his rising from the dead.
Guest Downhome Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 But shouldn't the "holy spirit" steer people away from that sort of thing? I mean, I hear Christians talk about SO many "non-christians" who still believe in Christ and whatnot, because they "don't understand the true meaning of the bible". How can so many people get it wrong, if this book is Divine? Because it's left up to each one of us to accept it! God will not just force it on us, or show himself totally to us, that isn't how this thing works.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Free Will? Good Lord. God gives you it, tempts you, and then sends you to hell for using it in a way that doesn't please him. That's one fucked up Supreme Being.
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