Banky exemptions

[Guest El Satanico]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. Otherwise you should rename the folder into Flaming HQ or whatever, if that's the only 'forbidden' thing you're allowed to do there.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Trolling serves no purpose.

Exactly what purpose does flaming serve?

[Guest DrTom]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. 

It shouldn't be allowed anywhere. It's the hierarchy of sins, IMO. Flaming is no big deal to me, since I think most people who scream that they were "flamed" are weepy, thin-skinned drama queens who never learned to ignore someone in kindergarten. Posting useless shit just to get certain reactions out of people is worse, which is why it was codified that way in the rules.

[Guest Anglesault]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. Otherwise you should rename the folder into Flaming HQ or whatever, if that's the only 'forbidden' thing you're allowed to do there.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Trolling serves no purpose.

Exactly what purpose does flaming serve?

Venting

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. 

It shouldn't be allowed anywhere. It's the hierarchy of sins, IMO. Flaming is no big deal to me, since I think most people who scream that they were "flamed" are weepy, thin-skinned drama queens who never learned to ignore someone in kindergarten. Posting useless shit just to get certain reactions out of people is worse, which is why it was codified that way in the rules.

Why is the folder called No Holds Barred then? Trolling is only a problem because some people take everything (even in NO HOLDS BARRED) too serious. So somebody posts useless shit. Who cares? It's NO HOLDS BARRED! If it annoys you...just ignore it. I don't see the problem here.

[Guest Anglesault]

Posting useless shit takes up bandwith.

 

On a side note you guys REALLY have to cut down on all the terribly unfunny gimmick posters right now

[Guest DrTom]

So somebody posts useless shit. Who cares? It's NO HOLDS BARRED!

Everyone gets hung up on that name, despite the fact that some holds are barred no matter which folder you're in. So because it's "No Holds Barred," we should allow racism? Bigotry? Death threats? Sorry, not going to happen. Maybe if the folder were renamed something like "Hardcore," all this kvetching would stop.

 

As to why it's named NHB, I didn't name any of the folders, so I'm not the fellow to ask.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I don't get why you would need to flame people. I think the extent of me wanting to flame someone is to tell them to shut the fuck up, but I would rather ignore someone that I find annoying since I don't really have to put up with them.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. 

It shouldn't be allowed anywhere. It's the hierarchy of sins, IMO. Flaming is no big deal to me, since I think most people who scream that they were "flamed" are weepy, thin-skinned drama queens who never learned to ignore someone in kindergarten. Posting useless shit just to get certain reactions out of people is worse, which is why it was codified that way in the rules.

Technically, those complaining about trolling could be weepy, thin skinned drama queens that never leanred to ignore anybody in kindergarten. That best weapon against trolls is to ignore them, especially trolls like Banky that don't spam, but instead play on emotions.

 

And technically flaming IS trolling. It's something that is used to draw a reaction from someone, and usually draws a reaction from the whole group. And flaming is more rampant than trolling, which is at least confined to the NHB folder, flaming is all over the board, particularly in the WWE folder. Just like trolling, it adds nothing and brings down good threads.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Trolling should be allowed in No Holds Barred. 

It shouldn't be allowed anywhere. It's the hierarchy of sins, IMO. Flaming is no big deal to me, since I think most people who scream that they were "flamed" are weepy, thin-skinned drama queens who never learned to ignore someone in kindergarten. Posting useless shit just to get certain reactions out of people is worse, which is why it was codified that way in the rules.

Technically, those complaining about trolling could be weepy, thin skinned drama queens that never leanred to ignore anybody in kindergarten. That best weapon against trolls is to ignore them, especially trolls like Banky that don't spam, but instead play on emotions.

 

And technically flaming IS trolling. It's something that is used to draw a reaction from someone, and usually draws a reaction from the whole group. And flaming is more rampant than trolling, which is at least confined to the NHB folder, flaming is all over the board, particularly in the WWE folder. Just like trolling, it adds nothing and brings down good threads.

Wow that was an amazing rebuff. I have to say I am in complete agreement with FBP on this one. Tom got owned.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

No he didn't. Flaming and trolling are completely different, and here's why:

 

Trolling is always deliberate. Flaming can be inadvertent or deliberate; in the first case, someone could just get carried away in the course of a debate. In the second, it could simply reflect passion, as in the first, or it could serve as what would more properly be called flame-bait - which is a synonym for trolling. The difference is in intent. Furthermore, given a level of maturity, flaming doesn't always make an exchange between posters degenerate into a shouting match. It can be funny, or even enlightening - rudeness can make a point much better at times than civility. There are many, many examples of such threads in the CE forum. A thread starts civilly, becomes more and more heated, and finally returns to civility - and the discussion is the better for it, because the participants were in earnest all along. White-hot conflict is what purges debate of impurities. Trolling, on the other hand, is always deceitful. It muddies discussion and casts doubt on a poster's motivations. It is intended ONLY to disrupt and draw attention.

 

Trolling doesn't have to be insulting. Flaming does. Trolling is also usually non-targeted. In general it is designed to elicit responses from everyone who reads it, not just one person. If you're concerned about bandwidth and disruptions, then, trolling is the equivalent of WMDs. Flaming is a single-shot squirrel gun. The two are not even remotely comparable.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Actually, trolling is not always deliberate. Banned poster Nestor, started a pro-HHH thread in the WWE folder and was immediately considered a troll, though that was not the intended purpose.

 

However, I always see flaming as deliberate. More so than in speech, you have time to put some thought in what you're about to say. In speech, you can slip up and call someone a "fuckwad." When you're typing, you're thinking about what you're going to say, looking over it, and posting it with many chances to edit it out before someone sees it. Also, if you take the time to write up a page long FK Teale like diatribe in response to any debate whether over politics or potato chips, you're deliberatley taking the time to flame someone.

 

Also, flaming can be like a WMD. Say two posters get into in a WWE thread. In the worst case scenario these are two posters with very high popularity and each have their different "hangers-on." Now, you not only have two people flaming each other, but a bunch of other lackeys as well and the topic goes down the drain. Eventually, a mod comes along and say take it to NHB and five pages later someone is like let's get back on topic. Perfect example are the numerous threds were RRR and Lord Curry flamed "WWE aplogists" and the mods failed to intervene.

 

In a lighter scenario, two posters get into it and the flame each other on and on while others try to stay on topic. While it's not a melee so to speak, it ruins the enjoyment of the topic for others. Eventually a mod will wander in to play grade school prinicpal but only after it goes on for awhile.

 

Also, there's the one person who will always flame you no matter what. If you're debating literature, you don't want someone calling you a fucking idiot because you have a different opinion.

 

On these forums, I just think that flaming is an acccepted form of trolling. I don't think it's right that those that do not like trolling get appeased while those that are flamed, and often times wrongly, get looked at as weak. It's an obvious double standard for offenses that are almost identical.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Flaming was first only allowed in NHB, then CE. Now it is seemingly a forgiveable offense anywhere. Before Dames and the mods started the last round of bannings, flaming was rampant everywhere, especially the WWE folder. I guess with Banky gone, people might actually watch how they behave as no one ever thought he would go.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Banky being gone is lame. I understand Dames having to do what it seems so many people wanted him to do but it licks balls.

 

Bdub is a great guy who i've had alot of fun spending time with and I'm going to miss him.

 

Any forum he does post at though Is garunteed at least one new member because I don't care if it's a shithole like DDT, where Banky is = fun.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Mmmmm, when Bankywood was the thing no one wanted him gone.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

This board is like a maniac Depresice (SP?)

 

it switches moods constantly.

[Guest KJ Brackish]

I agree that it sucks that Banky is gone. I see flaming as deliberate. Its like the old saying goes and take this to heart... "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all!" Once you do open your mouth in a "non-nice" fashion, then that my friend is flaming. I don't really know what trolling is and I'm going to look it up now, but if it is what I think it is, if it was in NHB and he is just seeking attention, I woulda said, go for it bud.

IMO

 

DFA

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Manic depressive

[Guest DrTom]

Actually, trolling is not always deliberate.

Posting specifically to get a reaction out of someone is a deliberate gesture. The person trolling is writing a post with the clear intent of getting a certain reaction out of people. It's always deliberate.

 

However, I always see flaming as deliberate. More so than in speech, you have time to put some thought in what you're about to say.

That sounds good, but it's not necessarily true. If you're white-hot about something, you're just going to type stream-of-consciousness and vent.

 

In the worst case scenario these are two posters with very high popularity and each have their different "hangers-on." Now, you not only have two people flaming each other, but a bunch of other lackeys as well and the topic goes down the drain.

Blame the lackeys and hangers-on for that kind of escalation. No one should need anyone to defend them from name-calling on the internet. I can't imagine something more silly than trying to play Sir Lancelot because someone called your friend a "dumb fuck." If sycophants would stay out of things that really don't concern them, two people could go back and forth and eventually come to an understanding. It happens all the time in CE. Two people disagree, bitch back and forth for a while, then everything is all nice-nice again, even though they still disagree over whatever the original issue was. Trolling doesn't allow any of that to happen.

 

Flaming was first only allowed in NHB, then CE. Now it is seemingly a forgiveable offense anywhere.

If it were up to me, I'd allow it everywhere (within reason, of course). Really, someone you don't know calling you name on the internet shouldn't even cause you to break stride, let alone trigger some kind of emotional distress. "Flames" should simply be laughed off, answered in spirit, and then everyone can move along. "Flaming" will eventually sort itself out if given a little space and time; many threads in CE are examples of this. Trolling just continues as long as people keep giving the troll the reactions he wants.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

OMG Tom you just 0wn3d his ass

 

d00d u rule

 

Tom r0x0rz

 

Amazing rebuff. I'm in complete agreement. FBP got 0wn3d. lol

 

 

 

 

 

See what he means, children.

[Guest HungryJack]

I concur. And on that note, yes, flaming should be allowed everywhere. I should be able to call someone a stupid fuck in ANY folder, if said person is acting so. I wouldn't expect any less to be said of me should I decide to be a dumbass.

[Guest Ace309]

OMG Tom you just 0wn3d his ass

 

I believe it's spelled 'pwn3d'.

[Guest El Satanico]

Banky being gone is lame. I understand Dames having to do what it seems so many people wanted him to do but it licks balls.

 

Bdub is a great guy who i've had alot of fun spending time with and I'm going to miss him.

 

Any forum he does post at though Is garunteed at least one new member because I don't care if it's a shithole like DDT, where Banky is = fun.

I think Banky's downfall was that he just stopped being entertaining.

 

I was always entertained by him, because hell I was alot like him during my aol chat days and there's still traces of it in me. However, lately he was just being more bitchy than anything.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

yeah he's been rather bitchy lately.

 

I'm still hazy as to the actual reason he was banned. I wasn't around for a few days and when I came Back he was banned.

[Guest SP-1]

Well, he made me laugh quite a bit, but ze rules are ze rules. Oh well. I'm on other boards too so I'm sure I'll still be laughing at the crazy bastard down the line.

[Guest mach7]

Anyone else find it a little funny that that's two somewhat well-known posters banned in the past couple of weeks due in some way to a "female" poster (I know Tiffani wasn't really a chick, but he Eyebrow got banned for insulting "her").

Everyone seems to forget the fact that Eyebrow was trolling LONG before Tiff showed up... he should have been banned a long time before that "incident" ever occured.

[Guest Bruiser Chong]

I found him to be entertaining and just because you had your problems with him doesn't mean that everyone hated him. I'm sure I'm one of the few, but I liked the guy.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I still don't like this. There are far far more deserving people who deserve to be banned than Banky ever did.

 

If getting banned for just doing something to get a reaction out of people is a bannable offence then I deserved to be banned. I've done it before. So have many people. Marney's "It's Wrong To Be French" quote in CE was an obvious attempt to rile people up as well.

[Guest bob_barron]

I still don't like this. There are far far more deserving people who deserve to be banned than Banky ever did.

 

If getting banned for just doing something to get a reaction out of people is a bannable offence then I deserved to be banned. I've done it before. So have many people. Marney's "It's Wrong To Be French" quote in CE was an obvious attempt to rile people up as well.

When they put up the roles they told Banky he may have to change his style since he has admitted to trolling.

 

Banky didn't and he paid the price.

[Guest Anorak]

In the worst case scenario these are two posters with very high popularity and each have their different "hangers-on." Now, you not only have two people flaming each other, but a bunch of other lackeys as well and the topic goes down the drain.

Blame the lackeys and hangers-on for that kind of escalation. No one should need anyone to defend them from name-calling on the internet. I can't imagine something more silly than trying to play Sir Lancelot because someone called your friend a "dumb fuck."

 

Ha, that reminds me of that terrible thread Jingus started because he got upset about Jubicki insulting him and FK Teale chimed in with an unbelievably lame attempt at 'flaming' everybody's favourite puro elitist which went down like a lead baloon. That two people managed to come out a thread with less credit than Jubicki only goes to prove how true the above point is.

 

Getting to the first quote, I agree totally. Sometimes the 'lackeys' (and aren't there a lot of them here at TSM?) really contrive to kill a thread stone dead themselves by ganging up (off the top of my head characters like B. Barron/Downhome have been at the forefront of such a pack before more than once) against one poster until the 'topic' as degenerated into a girly bitchfest. If they could ignore whichever two posters are engaging in name-calling it would fizzle out but most often they seem only too eager to abandon intelligent discussion, join the biggest team and batter the other poor soul into submission like a bunch of bloodthirsty hounds. Sometimes the target is a genuine troll who deserves no less but there's been plenty of occasions where a poster has been unjustly besieged with insults for simply holding a differing opinion to most others on a topic.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

hell I was alot like him during my aol chat days and there's still traces of it in me.

Hehehe... those were the days, eh Toy?