Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I would like someone to explain to me how he sold A LOT tonight and was better than most give him credit for. When you're jumping around and throwing kicks and top rope moves and chasing people without the slightest limp right after they worked on your leg for 5 minutes, that is NOT proper selling. It's noselling and make EVERYONE look bad. And i dont wanna hear "he sold while his leg was getting worked on" because a damn 7 year old can sell a bodypart that is getting worked on. Did you not see him limping and holding it AFTER it was worked on? I admit it no-sold during the final part of the match. But he didn't totally no-sell it or forget about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I would like someone to explain to me how he sold A LOT tonight and was better than most give him credit for. When you're jumping around and throwing kicks and top rope moves and chasing people without the slightest limp right after they worked on your leg for 5 minutes, that is NOT proper selling. It's noselling and make EVERYONE look bad. And i dont wanna hear "he sold while his leg was getting worked on" because a damn 7 year old can sell a bodypart that is getting worked on. Did you not see him limping and holding it AFTER it was worked on? I admit it no-sold during the final part of the match. But he didn't totally no-sell it or forget about it. Wow, you're right.....he did sell it for like 1 minute and a 1/2 after his leg got worked on....it wasnt until about 2 minutes after that it completely slipped his mind that his leg was getting worked on......you're right, he did a pretty good damn job in selling tonight *sarcasm* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Wow, you're right.....he did sell it for like 1 minute and a 1/2 after his leg got worked on....it wasnt until about 2 minutes after that it completely slipped his mind that his leg was getting worked on......you're right, he did a pretty good damn job in selling tonight *sarcasm* He sold it a lot longer than two minutes. This isn't getting us anywhere, though. I tell you what. Let's continue this after we witness his next match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Wow, you're right.....he did sell it for like 1 minute and a 1/2 after his leg got worked on....it wasnt until about 2 minutes after that it completely slipped his mind that his leg was getting worked on......you're right, he did a pretty good damn job in selling tonight *sarcasm* He sold it a lot longer than two minutes. This isn't getting us anywhere, though. I tell you what. Let's continue this after we witness his next match. Deal I'll be pointing out his non selling next monday also...be ready cause i'll be comin for ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Someone needs to time the distance between the last figure four and the Flair Chase, the beginning of the total lack of selling. I'd say it's inside two minutes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Someone needs to time the distance between the last figure four and the Flair Chase, the beginning of the total lack of selling. I'd say it's inside two minutes I went back to my tape and timed from the time that Triple H released the leg lock to the time RVD chases Flair outside of the ring................it took 1 min 58 sec for RVD to chase Flair.........as far as completely no selling the leg i would say it started with the split legged moonsault and that occured 1 min 51 sec after the working of the leg finished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Deal I'll be pointing out his non selling next monday also...be ready cause i'll be comin for ya [non drunk, motivated Scott Hall]Don't sing it... bring it.[/non drunk, motivated Scott Hall] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Personally, I thought it was RVD giving Triple H the finger and shoving it in his face for always no-selling himself. But we all know that if RVD had just screwed Flair and Orton and really gone for the title win, he'd be on the street tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 A question- Why are so many alleged "smarks" complaining about the burial of a shitty wrestler? Frankly, I care not if Rob Van Dam flounders in the mid-card forever, because he sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Because he's over. When he falls a new equally shitty wrestler who is not over will take his place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Because he's over. Since when? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 July 22, 2001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 July 22, 2001 I don't see someone who is "over" when I watch Raw. More importantly........even if he was over, he still is an awful wrestler, yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 RVD is not a shitty wrestler, IMO. Even if you don't think he deserves the title. He brings excitement and unpredictability to the ring. His personality is also different from anyone else on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Since he debuted? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Right then. Who on RAW would you push? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Since he debuted? Ever since his first match with Jeff Hardy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Right then. Who on RAW would you push? Well, if we're getting into hypotheticals here... I'd end the brand extension and push the GOOD wrestlers on both shows. But, sticking just to the current Raw roster, Jericho. To me, RVD lacks the skills to be a main-eventer or a title contender. He belongs no higher than the mid-card. RVD is not a shitty wrestler, IMO. Even if you don't think he deserves the title. He brings excitement and unpredictability to the ring. His personality is also different from anyone else on the roster. He also brings terrible selling, poor ring psychology, stale, repetative matches, etc.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 *looks around WWE* Um...everyone brings poor selling, no ring psychology, and stale repetitive matches. Given those as no-nos the only people still employed would be Benoit and Guerrero... but they can't talk so they're fired too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Benoit vs. Guerrero for two hours every monday and thursday? I'm there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 no they got fired for not being able to speak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 1, 2003 As far as selling goes, I never hear anyone get on Kurt Angle or HBK for no-selling. I mean when they do it, people tend to use the "working through the pain" excuse. Yet when RVD does it, it's "goddamn that shitty wrestler RVD, he doesn't know how to sell" Anyways, the match I thought started slow, but after the commercial break it picked up. The crowd in the beginning obviously figured RVD had no chance, but you could tell the crowd started to rally behind him more so as the match went on. I think RVD was booked to look pretty strong, he nearly beat Triple H, he fought off the entire evolution, and Triple H had to pin him IMMEDIATELY after the ddt, unlike his recent matches where he does the finishing move and then lays around for awhile before making the pin. Also, RVD got to fight out of numerous Pedigrees. Finally, what is with Kane showing up AFTER THE MATCH? They need to do something with Kane. Give him some direction. Maybe I am asking for too much, too soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted July 1, 2003 As far as selling goes, I never hear anyone get on Kurt Angle or HBK for no-selling. I do. I've seen many people comment on their poor selling (including me). BTW, Rob's no-selling is FAR worse than Angle's or HBK's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Well, all things considered, at least... Jesus fucking Christ, a DDT? A FUCKING DDT? Why not pin him with a neckbreaker? I was actually expecting "RKO"-20 second stall-Pedigree--15 second stall-pin. This may be worse. The DDT hasn't been a match ending move in the WWF for over 10 years. How exactly did someone so dumb get a job writing for TSM? I'd rather read the plagiarist than you. What's wrong with the DDT? Raven, Dreamer, Jake Roberts, etc. have all used it. Sorry to say that the DDT won a tag match for Rock and someone else against Jericho and someone else. Road Dogg also won the IC title with it and Job Van Dam lost to it tonight too. Are you referring to the WM 19 HHH-Booker finish? If so, what was wrong with it? So many have said how it makes Booker look weak? HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THAT?! People make it seem as if he looked at Booker on the ground, waited, picked him up, waited, and gave him the pedigree, then walked around, talked to Flair, called his mom, then pinned Booker T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Amazing. If you want to see RVD NO-SELL refer to all of his ECW masterpieces including the match of the year in 1999 that every mutant were clamoring about forever...That's so selling at it's blantantly worse...but that was when it acceptable to do so. Was it *THAT* Bad? No... Was it good? No chance...It was just there. The whole DDT thing really pisses me off...Why do you think that makes R-V-D look any weaker? He was belt-shoted and then DDT straight onto a metal surface...Not like it was a Small package or something...(Which begs me to ask...Why hasn't HHH stolen that from Flair like the other shit)... There was an BRIEF *10* seconds when you could actually think...HOLY SHIT RVD JUST MIGHT WIN! And that was right after Bischoff's announcement...Maybe it was me...but it gave me an "This is RVD'S night" feel that quickly went away 13 seconds later when I snapped back to reality. The Undertaker's No-selling is certaintly more offensive then RVD's (I mean currently...Taker isn't dead anymore)... You think by this point WWE would stop the LEG Psychology with RVD and tell the other guy "Maybe working on the ribs would be smarter"...since RVD can't do anything without his legs and still sell... I find it amusing that this went 3 pages because We've seen WORSE burials and worse finishes... We're bitching for the sake of bitching because Goldberg and Nash and HBK didn't do anything of note or weren't even there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Finally, what is with Kane showing up AFTER THE MATCH? They need to do something with Kane. Give him some direction. Maybe I am asking for too much, too soon. You are asking for too much, Mike. Kane doesn't need new direction. Kane needs to be destroyed and forgotten about. Glen Jacobs needs a new character to play or get released. The Kane character is dead and there is nothing the incompetent writing staff is gonna cook up that is going to make him any more interesting. Since Vince is so high on this hoss, he should just cook up a new character for him like they did the other 4 times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I'm still confused about the absence of the make up... Just go ahead and do it Warlord V.2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KingOfOldSchool Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Re: NoCalMike HBK's Superman act has always bugged me. It's just that I don't make my appearance known in this folder as much as others, thus no one knows that it bugs me. Same with Angle, but his no-selling doesn't bother me to the extent that HBK's or RVD's does. I don't know if I'm blinded or what, but I've never found it as embarassingly blatant as when HBK or RVD do it. So there you go. --- As for this talk of the DDT, it was a head drop onto the steel after the beltshot. I don't care if someone doesn't see it as a "credible" ending, the fact that the other objects were involved makes it so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I don't mind Angle's no selling in WWE/F matches, but the same goes for HBK and RVD. If I look at Angle's matches against other matches from Mexico or Japan, then I'd say that the no-selling gets offensive. I let HBK slide with no-selling because when he kips up after getting the crap beat out of him, I view it as his version of Hulking up. BTW, almost no one on this board bitches about Hogan's no selling. I am ok with it as long as it's in WWE fantasy land where I am not supposed to be buying into things seriously anyways since the writers and Vince continue to insult my intelligence. If I want to analyze the nuances of proper selling vs no-selling, I'll watch Lucha or Puro. If I'm just looking to watch a wrestling program that is going to entertain me (although that hasn't been the case in quite some time now) and where thinking is thrown out the window, I'll watch WWF/E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Hogan NO SELLING? He sells fucking back rakes like he he was shot outta cannon... Ok he blocks a couple shots and kicks and counters the irish whip for a Kick and the leg... I dont consider that NO-SELLING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
