Annoyed Framers try to whack sense into O'Connor

[Guest Cancer Marney]

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) - The opening of the National Constitution Center was marred Friday when a wood and steel frame collapsed on the stage, slightly injuring the mayor and two other people and narrowly missing Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

 

The frame, at least 15 feet high, slowly toppled as the guests of honor pulled on red, white and blue streamers that were supposed to unveil a tableau depicting the signing of the Constitution outside the new museum.

- CNN story

 

Damn it, and that woman really deserved a bonk on the head too. I say they put it back up, force her to pull on the streamers again, and give the Framers a second shot.

[Guest JMA]

It's unfourtionate Ann Coulter hasn't been hit with something large... yet.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Oh, come on. She just provided the swing vote on a major gay rights case, you can't possibly be that upset with her.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

It's unfourtionate Ann Coulter hasn't been hit with something large... yet.

I think she was, recently; lauding Hoover and McCarthy was way over the top. People at the FBI have been laughing themselves silly all week.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Oh, come on. She just provided the swing vote on a major gay rights case, you can't possibly be that upset with her.

Gay rights are insignificant compared to affirmative action.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Do you support legacy admissions in colleges?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Of course not. Don't be silly.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

...I won't say it, you know where I'm going with that.

 

The problem, of course, is that there will never be an equal grounds for admission into schools, or jobs, or anything. Whether it's through affirmative action or other means, someone less qualified will ALWAYS manage to get in ahead of someone with a better record. At least with affirmative action, they're minorities who would otherwise have little chance of getting in.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

...I won't say it, you know where I'm going with that.

Yes, I do. And we've already had this discussion.

 

The problem, of course, is that there will never be an equal grounds for admission into schools, or jobs, or anything. Whether it's through affirmative action or other means, someone less qualified will ALWAYS manage to get in ahead of someone with a better record. At least with affirmative action, they're minorities who would otherwise have little chance of getting in.

Interesting. Are you saying that blacks have little chance of getting into universities with high academic standards primarily because they're black? The KKK might agree. I do not.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

No, that would be rather absurdly cynical to say that.

 

However, I've heard that some school districts are given an extra .5 on their GPAs, simply because that district is held in higher regard than others. Overwhelmingly, of course, you can guess the dominant race in such districts. Judging simply by statistics, I'm going to guess that the majority of minorities (now there's a convoluted sentence) are coming from the inner cities, which typically aren't held in very high regard when it comes to education. Affirmative action, in itself, would help to counterbalance that shortcoming.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Such districts are presumably held in higher regard because of their greater emphasis on academic achievement, is that correct?

 

What was the problem again?

[Guest JMA]

Gay rights are insignificant compared to affirmative action.

I have to disagree there.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

They really DON'T have a greater emphasis on academic achievement.

 

I was from a district like that, and it's probably the reason why I even got into a good school (I, like many others, squandered many opportunities to excel in high school). Believe me when I say that nearly every teacher, at least in my school, was more concerned with making sure the school's rep was maintained than whether or not the children learned the material.

 

There's a fine balance here, too; students who, quite literally, are just as smart as these average kids who get an extra .5 would be denied admission if not for affirmative action.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Okay, then that's unfair too. Better to eliminate both than try to balance one evil against another.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

That's the problem, I don't believe we can eliminate all of these biases. Even if we eliminate the "numbers", as was the suggestion in the ruling (I believe; after all, who could interpret that transparent ruling?), the very concepts are still present, and most of them are still very much a part of the admissions officers' decision process. Even a Supreme Court ruling won't change that.

[Guest JMA]

I do agree that Affirmative Action focuses too much on race (which isn't what Martin Luther King Jr. would have wanted). I've said before I'm all for racial deconstruction. Which means no longer separating people with terms like "black" and "white." No more words like Euro American, Afro American, Native American: just American. Also, no more college applications that ask for your "race." Saying human beings are from different "races" has always confused me.

 

We've always been one race: the human race. Skin color doesn't change that.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Unfortunately, that's just incredibly naive.

[Guest JMA]

Unfortunately, that's just incredibly naive.

Call me a dreamer, then.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

It is naive. Various minority cultures are different. Sure, it would be nice to eliminate racism, but that's not going to happen until we're all the same color.

[Guest JMA]

It is naive. Various minority cultures are different. Sure, it would be nice to eliminate racism, but that's not going to happen until we're all the same color.

I don't care if it's naive. "Race" separates people instead of bringing them together.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Ok, I'm lost.

 

What's affirmative action?

 

And, yes, race divides, but only because people feel the intense need to categorise. If we weren't divided by race, we'd be divided by something equally banal.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

While this isn't exactly the same thing as Affirmative Action, what do you guys think of specific organizations offering to pay tuition based on the fact that one is black?

 

I remember my guidance teacher showing me the Markham African-Caribbean scholarship paper, and he's like "Hey, you're eligible for this right?"

 

My answer: "I'm not black."

 

What the hell?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

While this isn't exactly the same thing as Affirmative Action, what do you guys think of specific organizations offering to pay tuition based on the fact that one is black?

 

I remember my guidance teacher showing me the Markham African-Caribbean scholarship paper, and he's like "Hey, you're eligible for this right?"

 

My answer: "I'm not black."

 

What the hell?

[Guest Ronixis]

As for AA- it just legalizes Racism in a small sense...

 

As for Sodomy- Its a states rights issue-

 

I dont care what people do in their beds, and I dont want Goverment to do eather

[Guest JMA]

As for AA- it just legalizes Racism in a small sense...

Racism IS legal. Otherwise the KKK would be in jail. Discrimination in business hirings is what you're thinking about.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

You don't necessarily have to agree or disagree with a viewpoint to think the Supreme Court was wrong in there ruling. I don't think the court has any business deciding sodomy laws.

[Guest JMA]

You don't necessarily have to agree or disagree with a viewpoint to think the Supreme Court was wrong in there ruling. I don't think the court has any business deciding sodomy laws.

I don't see why "sodomy" is even an issue. There is no reason to make it outright illegal (except for religious ones).

[Guest Vern Gagne]

That's not really the point. I don't have a problem with what someone does in their own bedroom. I just don't think it's up to the Supreme Court to decide sodomy laws. That should be up to the states.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I recorded a video of this frame falling if anyone wants it, it's hysterical.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I just don't think it's up to the Supreme Court to decide sodomy laws. That should be up to the states.

Our society is quickly banning discrmination based on sexual orientation. The SCOTUS is just cleaning that up in the government.