Which moves should be finishers...

[Guest Dace59]

What's wrong with the Roaring Elbow?

 

Shining Wizard (I) Set up with drop kick to knee, so opp. is down on one knee, run of rope, springboard off opps. knee and drive knee into face. (It's Flash Magic from SD!3)

II is a foot to the face, III is an Axe Kick to the back of the head.

[Guest muzanisa]

It's a short run and then a knee in the face as the other guy is getting up or on their arse. If you have Smackdown on the PS2 it's called something like flash magic. Load it up and have a look it's pretty cool.

What the hell is the roaring elbow?

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh the devastating striking moves of DOOM! Got to love them.

[Guest muzanisa]

Dace's reply is much more coherant than mine. What the hell is the Roaring elbow though?

[Guest Dace59]

Roaring Elbow (Rolling Elbow in Japan) A (running) spinnging Eblow smash to the face.

Plain and simple. In both No Mercy and SD!3 under some name or other like Spinning elbow strike or smash.

 

For a Shining Wizard, the opp. in down on one knee (like preposing) 99% of the time, unless it's a double team combo.

[Guest Anglesault]

Roaring Elbow (Rolling Elbow in Japan) A (running) spinnging Eblow smash to the face.

 

We like that but we mock the bionic elbow.

 

 

I really hate striking moves as finishers, especially kicks and elbows.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

D-von's neckbreaker rules, but i've only seen Van dam take it, i doubt many people can. He needs it to get over as a singles guy tho. Saturn and Malenko REALLY should have used the guillotine kneedrop more, that's like the greatest team move ever.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

yeah could someone describe the Shining Wizard Knee to us people without access to Puroresu please?

 

And if my namesake move was to be used as a finisher, who should have it??

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

oh shit i just posted that, then i see someone has described it. Sorry!

 

Anyway i think striking moves are cool as finishers, but only when used rarely. It gets some people over as rock-hard because they can finish an opponent with one particular blow.

[Guest Dace59]

And if my namesake move was to be used as a finisher, who should have it??

 

There's no such thing as a Northen Lights Brainbuster.

A Northen Lights Bomb (the basic move) is a type of brainbsuter. Al Snow used it, it was the Snow Plow

The Emerald Furjion is also a type of Northen Lights Bomb.

 

I love Lyger's Shooti (Plam Stirke)

[Guest WWF4Life]

Striking moves do look good. I mean, aren't there lots of guys in Japan that finish opponents with 'just' a lariat?

 

All this talk of cool finishers, but there are some pretty lame finishers too at the moment in the WWF. I'm sorry, but the Breakdown looks terrible, and it looks like the Walls of Jericho is just a signature spot now.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

Imagine hoisting someone over for a Northern Lights Suplex, but holding them up there upside down around the waist. Then sit down so they hit their head/neck, and if your really cool, keep on the NL bridge pin.

 

THATS a NL Buster, its just common sense, no Puroresu translation shit needed.

 

Vertical Suplex, but hold em up and drop em on their head is a Brainbuster, and NL buster is the same but Northern Lights, easy?

 

Goes to show that Jap fans aint necessarily the smartest dudes in the sport.

[Guest Anglesault]

Striking moves do look good. I mean, aren't there lots of guys in Japan that finish opponents with 'just' a lariat?

Yes, and I think it's stupid. Not so mush a lariat, because those can look vicious, but elbows are awful.

 

And a PALM STRIKE? What is it "Talk to the hand, Girlfriend!"

[Guest WWF4Life]

LOL! Surely nobody uses a palm strike as a finisher though!! A set up move, that's fine, but a finisher? Anyway, at least Angle has two legit finishers, it's just a shame that no one taps out or is pinned with them.

[Guest Dace59]

Imagine hoisting someone over for a Northern Lights Suplex, but holding them up there upside down around the waist. Then sit down so they hit their head/neck, and if your really cool, keep on the NL bridge pin.

 

You couldn't do that safely, add if you sat down, there head would never hit the mat.

 

THATS a NL Buster, its just common sense, no Puroresu translation shit needed.

No it's not.

 

Vertical Suplex, but hold em up and drop em on their head is a Brainbuster

A brainbuster is never a head bump!  It's still a back bump, they just drop down real quick to make it look like they hit their head.

 

Goes to show that Jap fans aint necessarily the smartest dudes in the sport.

Goes to show they are. (don't mean that)

[Guest Dace59]

Lariats in Japan are Hella shit stiff, trust me.

And as far as Plam Strikes go, you've never seen Lyger's then.

[Guest Anglesault]

Lariats in Japan are Hella shit stiff, trust me.

 

That's why I said I don't mind lariats so much.

 

 

And as far as Plam Strikes go, you've never seen Lyger's then.

 

Does it look like that stupid "Talk to the hand?" I mean does he just shove his hand in their face?

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

Firstly, stop with the quoting shit. If your talking to me, you dont gotta tell me what i said 3 minutes ago.

 

Secondly, the move CAN work. Think of the difference between a Vertical Suplex and a Brainbuster. Nothing more than the snap of the dropping impact. If its easy like that, you can do it with any move where the wrestler is hoisted upside-down in theory.

 

Out of theory, i remember Scott Keith reviewing a match about these dudes called the Briscoes. They did crazy shit, including a NL Buster as explained by myself. Now, if your cult leader and god says its so, then it must be right.

 

Anyway, if you wanna waste my time, at least answer the question posed.

[Guest muzanisa]

Don't knock it unless you've seen it. Liger is one of those rare guys (HBK was another) that whatever he does looks good. He could do a bear hug or a Kona head crusher and you'd believe it.

The Stunner could be described as a striking move,kick in the gut grab the neck sit down chin goes into shoulder and there's your three count.

I don't see the Angle slam getting a three count I think that's pretty weak. Peoples Elbow, Mandible claw, Legdrop of Doom, all finishers that top guys have used that were or are over and they're all pretty silly.

[Guest Dace59]

And as far as Plam Strikes go, you've never seen Lyger's then.

Does it look like that stupid "Talk to the hand?" I mean does he just shove his hand in their face?

 

No, Palm Strikes are done by thrusting the palm forwards with the whole arm as (seemingly) hard as possible into the opps. face.

 

You know why you qoute?

So everyone knows the point you're on about and you don't have to type it again.

I don't think the move can work, but I'm not a wrestler, I could be wrong.

I know who the Briscoes are, I'm a budding CZW fan. I know they do a lot of stuff.

If anyone has a clip, or can comfirm with, then NLB is RIGHT, and I'M WRONG, which is no problem.

This is discussion, which is good, and what everyone needs.

 

The Stunner could be described as a striking move,kick in the gut grab the neck sit down chin goes into shoulder and there's your three count.

 

It's not a striking move, because the attcker has to grapple the opp (the 3/4 headlock) making it a grappling move, just like a suplex.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

The Stunner isnt a striking move - you muscle your opponent into the move by grabbing their head and sitting down.

 

And the mandible claw is pretty painful in real life, plus i think only the Undertaker escaped from it before it became a joke (see: Socko)

[Guest TheDames7]

I'm not going to call myself anti-Puro or anything like that, but I just dont understand Japanese psychology.  

 

However, I will have to agree that Lyger's palm strikes are BRUTAL.  TAKA has it in No Mercy  Picture it with 10 times the force of TAKA.

 

DAMES~!

[Guest Dace59]

I love Lyger's habbit of, if one Palm Strike doesn't work, just keep throwing them, then level the dude with a running palm strike. What a way to take someone down.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Actually, the name Roaring Elbow is used when Masato Tanaka does it.  It's Rolling Elbow when Misawa does it, and they look stiff and STRONG.  **pats self on the back as he finally gets to correct Dace for once, unless he proves him wrong yet again**

 

Liger's SHOTEI (C&P this link into your browser):

 

http://uk.geocities.com/louis_jong/WWF/lyger_waves.jpg

 

I think it, along with the "Bitch Slaps of Fury", kick ass.  But frankly, I don't think it would get over in the States.  Luckily, he's got about 246 other finishers.

 

I don't know about the "NL Buster," but I think a sheer drop Northern Lights suplex with a high back bump is definitely possible.

[Guest TheDames7]

Hey Northern Lights Buster....how do you like this:

 

Set up for the Northern Light Suplex, lift him straight up, like a vertical suplex....sit down Vertebreaker style.  

 

Ouch much?

 

Dames - He'll Break Your Spine!

[Guest muzanisa]

I don't want to get in a flame war but if someone tried to give me the mandible claw I'd bite their fingers off. Was that part of it ever explained I think Foley's book might have covered it but when I first saw it I thought you'd just bite his fingers.

[Guest Ace309]

I believe the idea is that the mouth would be paralyzed, or the victim would be too distracted by the nerve pinch in his mouth, or some such.

 

I mean, if someone's got a testicular claw on you, why wouldn't you just punch him?

[Guest art_vandelay]

You're supposed to be paralyzed when the hold is on you, so you can't bite.  So theoretically, if you stick a lolipop too far down below your tongue, you can be momentarily paralyzed.

[Guest Dace59]

Northen Lights Buster: Now that sounds right to me now.. ok, it's a totally possible and doalbe move.

I was WRONG. To NLB, great move idea anyway man.

 

Actually, the name Roaring Elbow is used when Masato Tanaka does it.  It's Rolling Elbow when Misawa does it.

 

It depends on who's calling it. If it's in Japan it's a Rolling Eblow, whoever does it. If it's in the US, it's a Roaring Elbow, whoever does it. It's because of the Japanese pronanoucationg. The L's in Rolling sound like R's, making it sound like Roaring. Styles made the Roaring name popular in the US, and it stuck.

If Tanaka does it in Japan, it's a Rolling Elbow, if Misawa was ever in the US and did it, it would be called a Roaring Elbow (unless the commentators where Japanese)

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

Well thanks for the vote of confidence, even if it was late. Id just love to see Benoit behead people with that if he returns.

 

By the way, just remember to plug my name on the Puroresu board if they use MY move in Japan, because it may be the first time theyve copied someone, and not the other way around.

 

That Shotei or whatever its called didnt show up. Try and get a better link up because im curious now.