Brethart.com statement re: Shawn's comments on Raw

[Guest JMA]

What's the situation between Bret and Vince? Has either one apologized to the other?

[Guest bob_barron]

Vince and Bret had a meeting a while back and have buried the hatchet

[Guest JMA]

Vince and Bret had a meeting a while back and have buried the hatchet

That's good news. At least that's settled.

[Guest The ChriZa]

Well, as far as Bret not letting it go, it was the WWE that brought it up this time, not him. And though he's probably holding a grudge for a little too long, this was the defining moment in his career, the #1 thing everyone first remembers about him, and as Jericho said, a black eye on the sport. Its too late to really call ANYONE wrong anymore, Vince, Shawn, or Bret. But in Bret's shoes, I too would remain angry about something this large. As he said in WWS, they "killed the Hitman character." The character he had spent 20 years creating and immortalizing. Not to mention the parade of horrors his life has been the past 6 years or so. I'd give the guy a little latitude if it were up to me.

[Guest JMA]

Survivor Series 97 was the event in which wrestling lost its innocence. That may sound melodramatic (and it is), but I feel it is true to a degree.

[syxx2001 0]

I think most people dont put themselves in Bret's shoes. Here is the company you have worked for for, what, 9-10 years or something? The man you trusted with your career? The man who you stayed loyal to when you could have went to WCW and raked in the cash back in 1996? And then you just get screwed over like that? I think its only natural that he isn't over it. Its easy to say "Get over it!" "Let it go!", but this was like someone he trusted and someone who stayed with during the shitty years of the WWE and then got stabbed in the back. He was even assured that nothing would happen. Yes, he could have, and possibly should have done the job, but think of it this way. How would you fell if you worked for a graphics company for 15 years and all of a sudden a video game company or "rival" graphics company wanted you aboard. All of your master files are saved onto the companies main computer and printed out and stored in boxes in the companies basement. You make it known that you wish to resign and go to the other workplace, and you need to take all of your stuff with you, or you wish to take your stuff with you and your boss says "Sure, OK. Whatever you need." Then the next day, out of 25 years, the main computer "crashes" and your files are erased. And while moving your printed work from the basement, a cigeratte smoker accidentally set the box on fire. And you have nothing. Everyone assures you that they had nothing to do with it, and it messed up your big chance. (Its kinda long and confusing maybe, but, whatever.) Do you think you would say "Oh, what the hay. They didn't mean it." or "Those selfish motherfuckers. They deserve to be assfucked by a group a homos and a rusty pole". Many people would pick that latter, and its not that easy to forgive someone who stabbed you in the back. And maybe Bret was a person who trusted too much and too deeply? Maybe thats why he will never get over it? If so, thats one of the reason I rarely trust what people say, even my parents and siblings.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Survivor Series 97 was the event in which wrestling lost its innocence. That may sound melodramatic (and it is), but I feel it is true to a degree.

Wrestling lost it's real-life innocence with what happened to the Von Erichs.

 

It's kayfabe innocence was gone when Bret turned heel on Austin.

[Guest The ChriZa]

I thought it lost its innocence the day Tammy Lynn Sytch showed up and our moms caught us with our hands in our pants.

[Guest Anglesault]

Many people would pick that latter, and its not that easy to forgive someone who stabbed you in the back. And maybe Bret was a person who trusted too much and too deeply? Maybe thats why he will never get over it? If so, thats one of the reason I rarely trust what people say, even my parents and siblings.

Bret is probably bitter because he knows he bought the whole thing upon himself.

[Guest nWoCHRISnWo]

Funny how it's always "Bret should get over it already!" although I rarely ever see where he brings this topic up. WWE had like twenty minutes of Raw about this incident, and it seems WWF/E brings it up every time they get the chance.

 

I'm sure there's tons of people who email Bret/the site and asked questions after Raw anyways, it seems the only time he ever talks about SS 97 is when someone asks him or WWF/E brings it up over, and over. And over.

 

And any time anybody says anything it can be perceived as whining. Anytime Bret says ANYTHING everyone's all over him claiming he's whining all the time. People whine about Bret Hart more than Bret whines about anything, honestly.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

SHAWN IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING ASS HOLE EVER EXCEPT FOR HHH.THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE....well atleast thats what I think. I cant get over how SHAWNS AN ASS HOLE AND VINCE IS SO FUCKING PATHETICALLY IGNORANT ITS JUST ANNOYING.

[Guest The ChriZa]

It seems odd that Vince is so willing to once again bring up a night in which he was spat upon, knocked out with one punch, and pretty much made to look like a bitch. And not as part of a storyline.

[Guest Choken One]

Here is the thing...

 

Shawn was we all know was an asshole...No one will or should even attempt to deny this.

 

Shawn was an business man pure and pure, I have no problems with that because it's neccesary in life to play politics.

 

And whoever it is that keeps going around saying "BUT YOU DON'T SHAWN, the REAL person...so how do you think you can say he is a born-again"...

 

Needs to shut up right now. It's been 5 years since he initally retired and ALOT has changed for him, Marriage, Kids and The discovery of God...

 

The three biggest profound things that will change a person's perspective on life...

 

Before that...Shawn was an singles swinging happy go luck guy that only cared about him and his boys...So he could be a asshole because HE didn't have to be a role model...

 

Having his Son changed his perpective and direction in life and showed that he needed to grow up and find peace in himself...

 

And he did.

 

So, Shawn rejected his former self and became new Shawn or rather a New Micheal.

 

He came to realization that he had to apoligize to Bret and he did so...Publically for the world to see.

 

Shawn got over and grew up.

 

Bret on the other hand...

 

We tend to forget or rather NEGLECT that Bret played Politics as well but he was never good at it like Shawn was.

 

Bret would commonly say that SHAWN was a black mark on the legancy of Professional Wrestling and yet when he decided that he wanted to leave WWF for the Large money contract WCW thrown at him...He decided HE wanted to dicate how he would leave.

 

WWE clearly told bret that Shawn was the one they wanted to carry the title for the big PPV at Mania14.

 

Bret wanted to go out on HIS terms, something that goes AGAINST the rules of the game, the honor of tradition of the Industry...Thus proving him to be nothing more then an Equally Hypocritical ass hole just the same as Shawn was.

 

Bret didn't get his way...Vince and Shawn did everything they could to have a peaceful and respectful ending but they had to go to the last resort...FORCE bret into losing the title...Breaking kayfabe and wrestling honor and tradition just as Bret was doing.

 

It was completely understandable for why Vince purportrated those acts, His company was in trouble and the most valuable asset (not bret, the title) wasn't in his power...and unlike wrestling tradition rules...Bret wasn't showing that he would do the time-honored tradition..

 

Shawn HAD to be in on it or it wouldn't work.

 

November 1997 was 6 years ago.

 

Since then, Life has been an Downward sprial for Hart.

 

His career was botched and mis-handled by WCW...

 

His brother died in the most unimginable circumstances, only to be topped by large national press...peering into his life...

 

His career was RUINED by Goldberg, An Man whom was worse then SHAWN was...at least shawn lived for the industry and respected it...

 

He had a stroke and lost all senses...His family starting fading away from him...dying senselessly.

 

Bret continues to proclaim himself as some sort of Martyr...FOR WHO?

 

Canada? Montreal? The Hart Family? Tradition?

 

Who knows what Bret thinks these days as he sits alone with no one by his side in the cold Calgary frost sitting in the family home...only with no family...

 

It is in my opinion that Bret HOLDS onto this event only because...It's all he has left.

[Guest The ChriZa]

It is in my opinion that Bret HOLDS onto this event only because...It's all he has left.

Unfortunately, that's the most accurate way to put it I've ever heard. God, this is depressing.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

It'd be nice if Vince would get over it himself, as well. I'm pretty tired of seeing Montreal being brought up in some way, shpe, or form everytime they run a goddamn show there.

 

Also, all this psycho-analyzing BS makes me laugh.

[Guest The ChriZa]

Since we've established the WWE will be the last entity to forget Survivor Series, and how they seem to relish bringing it up whenever possible, how much of the "You Screwed Bret" chant do you think is even real, if you know what I mean?

[Guest Downhome]

Personally, I say fuck the whole lot of em.

 

That's my thoughts.

[Guest SP-1]

So much for Shawn being a "born again" Christian.

The term "Born Again" has nothing to do with behavior. If you're going to use it, use it correctly.

 

And if Shawn's lying, then he'll have to deal with it between himself and God. It doesn't take away his Christianity. If sin took it away, then not a bit of what Jesus did matters. Not one bit.

 

If he hasn't apologized, then he needs to. I will not defend that. He reportedly played a part, I think he's admitted to playing a part, and he needs to contact Bret and handle it between them.

 

If he has and Bret's bitter, then Shawn's not the one with the problem these days.

[Guest Choken One]

I was waiting for SP to say something about the "Born Again" part...

 

Took a little longer then expected.

[Guest The ChriZa]

Jesus would have jobbed for Bret.

 

And rightly so.

[Guest Downhome]

Since we've established the WWE will be the last entity to forget Survivor Series, and how they seem to relish bringing it up whenever possible, how much of the "You Screwed Bret" chant do you think is even real, if you know what I mean?

It's real, obviously. When they are in Canada you can very much tell that the crowd is saying that over and over again.

 

Like I said, fuck em all.

[Guest SP-1]

I've been more concerned with a ladyfriend than surfing the boards tonight.

[Guest Choken One]

One thing that bugged me and this is pretty much an stupid to think to be curious about...

 

Why do the screwjob that way?

 

Why not do a Legit Knockout of Bret? Have HHH legit knock Bret out and let shawn pin him and run away before Bret recovers?

 

It doesn't make things look strange or anything...sells to the rubes that it was booked for HHH to cheat for HBK and VOILA...

[Guest The ChriZa]

One thing that bugged me and this is pretty much an stupid to think to be curious about...

 

Why do the screwjob that way?

 

Why not do a Legit Knockout of Bret? Have HHH legit knock Bret out and let shawn pin him and run away before Bret recovers?

 

It doesn't make things look strange or anything...sells to the rubes that it was booked for HHH to cheat for HBK and VOILA...

I'm not sure, but couldn't Bret sue if they legitimately tried to hurt him?

[Guest Showstoppa Icon]

One thing that bugged me and this is pretty much an stupid to think to be curious about...

 

Why do the screwjob that way?

 

Why not do a Legit Knockout of Bret? Have HHH legit knock Bret out and let shawn pin him and run away before Bret recovers?

 

It doesn't make things look strange or anything...sells to the rubes that it was booked for HHH to cheat for HBK and VOILA...

It's probably easier said than done

 

And it also reeks of a lawsuit.

[Guest Choken One]

No because I'm sure you couldn't prove it was INTENTIONAL...and the court (unless it was in Canada) would throw the case...

[Guest Dangerous A]

That would be difficult to do since Bret was already skeptical of some kind of screw job from the beginning. Plus, you run the risk of fans or other workers rushing the ring and things could get real ugly from there.

[Guest Choken One]

Ok...No chair knockout then

[Guest Showstoppa Icon]

No because I'm sure you couldn't prove it was INTENTIONAL...and the court (unless it was in Canada) would throw the case...

I think the fact that he wouldve lost the title, and if a Judge would look at the overall situation, i think it would be quite obvious

[Guest Dangerous A]

Think about how upset many of the workers were right after it happened.

 

Taker was ready to kill Vince. Foley, Ron Simmons, and others boycotted the Raw the next day. The Hart Foundation members would've ripped Vince and HBK apart if they were trying to do physical harm to Bret.

 

Plus, that makes them look even more unprofessional than they were already planning on being.