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I have to say that this is the greatest FA Cup Final I've seen in years (at the end of 90 minutes, ET still to be played).

 

It takes me back to the magic the cup used to have when I was a kid.

How many good ones have there been since the Palace/Man U one? only ones that I can think of are 91,95, and today, the rest were one sided and/or boring.

 

after 76 years we finally get a player in the world cup finals, even if he's spending it on the Aussie bench.

I honestly can't think of a good one since the early 90's. Or at least not one I've been so engrossed in as a neutral.

 

Count yourselves lucky you've got a player at the World Cup. I don't think Pompey has one. Man, we suck.

 

You suck!? Oh fuck off. Fucking Premier League fans complaining there team is shit because they've no one at the World Cup. Boo fucking hoo. You're Portsmouth for fuck's sake! It's a minor miracle you're in the Prem at all considering your shit ground, tiny attendances and that you've won fuck all for 50 years and yet you're complaining you've got no players at the World Cup. Jesus Christ. You try watching the absolute shite which is the fucking third division all season if you think Pompy suck. Besides, you're billionaire Russian owner Gaymark or whatever he's called will no doubt let Redknapp buy some players from the WC for some rediculous amount of money only for 'Arry to then complain the teams got to many foreigners who can't understand what he's saying as soon as results go downhill.

 

Having a go at Pompey won't help you feel any better about your shitty team and their shitty season. What was the point of that stupid post? Have you been storing up that impotent rage all week after your own team's miserable faliure? Typical Forest fan to let it out by slagging off another team and it's fans. You really are the most boring bunch of bastard supporters in the land. Don't argue, you've become well known for it i'm afraid. We're a massive club!! We should be in the champions league not league 1!! Your club is small and shit!! I'm a sad, bitter, arrogant, delusional, BORING bastard Forest fan!! Waaaahhhhhh!!! You're closer to being a Portsmouth or Leicester than you are to being a proper 'big' club so drop the attitude, cheer up a bit and stop acting like such a stereotypical Forest wanker.

 

You might even make play-offs next season with a bit of luck!

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Premiership beware!

 

He's coming baaaack!!!!!!

 

Maybe...

 

Well, if dirty Leeds don't win the play-off final......

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Having a go at Pompey won't help you feel any better about your shitty team and their shitty season.

 

Yes it did.

 

What was the point of that stupid post?

 

To make me feel better.

 

Have you been storing up that impotent rage all week after your own team's miserable faliure?

 

All that and much more.

 

Typical Forest fan to let it out by slagging off another team and it's fans. You really are the most boring bunch of bastard supporters in the land. Don't argue, you've become well known for it i'm afraid.

 

Yep, I agree with you there. I don't go on my regular Forest forums much at all now as I'm fed up with everyone. However, I don't believe I had at a go at the fans as such. I had a go that they don't have many, but the ones that go are, frankly, pretty hard to critize. They're completely insane, but they do create a hell of an atmosphere. It was more a general moan at Premiership fans who don't realise how good they have it at times.

 

"We're a massive club!! We should be in the champions league not league 1!! Your club is small and shit!! I'm a sad, bitter, arrogant, delusional, BORING bastard Forest fan!! Waaaahhhhhh!!!" You're closer to being a Portsmouth or Leicester than you are to being a proper 'big' club so drop the attitude, cheer up a bit and stop acting like such a stereotypical Forest wanker.

 

Massive is pushing it, and clearly you're taking the piss with the Champions League, but regardless of how you measure a club's 'bigness' we're certainly 'bigger' than most.

 

Last season we had the 30th highest attendance in the country with 20,257, and that's - for the most part - as a mid-table third divison team with nothing to play for. I'll admit Leicester were slightly higher than us with 21,691 but of course you had the possbility of an exciting relation fight for some of the season and the novelty of the shiney new ground still probably hasn't worn off Portsmouth had an average of 19,840, Wigan had 20,610. Fulham 20,654 and Blackburn 21,015. Our highest attendance was 28,193 which is higher than Wigan (25.023), Fulham (22,486), Leeds (27,843), Leicester (25,578), Coventry (26,851), Wolves (27,980), Norwich (27,470), West Brom (27,623), Charlton (27,111) and Portsmouth (20,240), all of whom are either regarded as proper 'big clubs' by the Media (Leeds and Wolves) or were in the Prem/Championship.

 

Now, to say we're close to Leicester in terms of honours though is just utterly wrong. The mighty foxes have won the Premiership/Division 1 a grand total off... 0 times. You're best attempt was finishing 2nd in 1928/29. You've won the FA Cup an unbelievable... 0 times. You did though choke when you reached the final four times in 1949, 1961, 1963 and 1969. To be fair though you have the won the League Cup three times, 1963-64, 1996-97 and 1999-00. However, Forest have won it four times, so you're still not quite there. And of course there's your proud European record which consists of reaching the second round of the Cup Winner's Cup in in 1961/62, and your two adventures to the first round of the UEFA Cup in 1997/98 and 2000/01.

 

Now Portsmouth are closer but still aren't really at our level. They've won the League twice, which is once more than we have, in 1949 and 1950. They won the FA Cup just the once in 1939, and although we've won it twice we have only managed it once in the 20th century so that's more or less even. However that's it. So they've done a better job that Leciester, but aren't on the level of ourselves or even Derby.

 

So to compare.

League Titles

Pompey 2 Forest 1 Leciester 0

FA Cups

Forest 2 Pompey 1 Leicester 0

League Cups

Forest 4 Leciester 3 Pompey 0

European Cups

Forest 2 Pompey 0 Leciester 0

UEFA Cup

Forest - Semi's 1984/1985 (referee later admitted he's been bribed to be anti-Forest and wrongly disallowed a winning goal deliberatly), Leicester - 1st Round, 1997/98 and 2000/01, Pompey - never qualified

Cup Winner's Cup

Leicester - 2nd Round 1961/62, Pompey - never qualified, Forest - never qualified.

 

 

In all areas apart from that their current teams are better than ours, I find it impossible for anyone to claim that we're not a 'bigger' club than Leicester or Portsmouth.

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Who's claiming you aren't? The guy said you are CLOSER to teams like Leicester and Portsmouth than "proper" big clubs. I don't know the validity of that statement, but I don't think anyone is saying Forest aren't bigger than those two clubs.

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Good point.

 

I was just getting carried away with myself I guess. Anyway, my point remains damnit!

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Having a go at Pompey won't help you feel any better about your shitty team and their shitty season.

 

Yes it did.

 

What was the point of that stupid post?

 

To make me feel better.

 

Have you been storing up that impotent rage all week after your own team's miserable faliure?

 

All that and much more.

 

Typical Forest fan to let it out by slagging off another team and it's fans. You really are the most boring bunch of bastard supporters in the land. Don't argue, you've become well known for it i'm afraid.

 

Yep, I agree with you there. I don't go on my regular Forest forums much at all now as I'm fed up with everyone. However, I don't believe I had at a go at the fans as such. I had a go that they don't have many, but the ones that go are, frankly, pretty hard to critize. They're completely insane, but they do create a hell of an atmosphere. It was more a general moan at Premiership fans who don't realise how good they have it at times.

 

"We're a massive club!! We should be in the champions league not league 1!! Your club is small and shit!! I'm a sad, bitter, arrogant, delusional, BORING bastard Forest fan!! Waaaahhhhhh!!!" You're closer to being a Portsmouth or Leicester than you are to being a proper 'big' club so drop the attitude, cheer up a bit and stop acting like such a stereotypical Forest wanker.

 

Massive is pushing it, and clearly you're taking the piss with the Champions League, but regardless of how you measure a club's 'bigness' we're certainly 'bigger' than most.

 

Last season we had the 30th highest attendance in the country with 20,257, and that's - for the most part - as a mid-table third divison team with nothing to play for. I'll admit Leicester were slightly higher than us with 21,691 but of course you had the possbility of an exciting relation fight for some of the season and the novelty of the shiney new ground still probably hasn't worn off Portsmouth had an average of 19,840, Wigan had 20,610. Fulham 20,654 and Blackburn 21,015. Our highest attendance was 28,193 which is higher than Wigan (25.023), Fulham (22,486), Leeds (27,843), Leicester (25,578), Coventry (26,851), Wolves (27,980), Norwich (27,470), West Brom (27,623), Charlton (27,111) and Portsmouth (20,240), all of whom are either regarded as proper 'big clubs' by the Media (Leeds and Wolves) or were in the Prem/Championship.

 

Now, to say we're close to Leicester in terms of honours though is just utterly wrong. The mighty foxes have won the Premiership/Division 1 a grand total off... 0 times. You're best attempt was finishing 2nd in 1928/29. You've won the FA Cup an unbelievable... 0 times. You did though choke when you reached the final four times in 1949, 1961, 1963 and 1969. To be fair though you have the won the League Cup three times, 1963-64, 1996-97 and 1999-00. However, Forest have won it four times, so you're still not quite there. And of course there's your proud European record which consists of reaching the second round of the Cup Winner's Cup in in 1961/62, and your two adventures to the first round of the UEFA Cup in 1997/98 and 2000/01.

 

Now Portsmouth are closer but still aren't really at our level. They've won the League twice, which is once more than we have, in 1949 and 1950. They won the FA Cup just the once in 1939, and although we've won it twice we have only managed it once in the 20th century so that's more or less even. However that's it. So they've done a better job that Leciester, but aren't on the level of ourselves or even Derby.

 

So to compare.

League Titles

Pompey 2 Forest 1 Leciester 0

FA Cups

Forest 2 Pompey 1 Leicester 0

League Cups

Forest 4 Leciester 3 Pompey 0

European Cups

Forest 2 Pompey 0 Leciester 0

UEFA Cup

Forest - Semi's 1984/1985 (referee later admitted he's been bribed to be anti-Forest and wrongly disallowed a winning goal deliberatly), Leicester - 1st Round, 1997/98 and 2000/01, Pompey - never qualified

Cup Winner's Cup

Leicester - 2nd Round 1961/62, Pompey - never qualified, Forest - never qualified.

 

 

In all areas apart from that their current teams are better than ours, I find it impossible for anyone to claim that we're not a 'bigger' club than Leicester or Portsmouth.

 

Those first couple of replies made me laugh, at least you're honest and I can't really blame you. You're in such a mood when your team's losing/lost you don't give a fuck. I don't CARE if Gerard Houllier has just had a heart attack... we're losing for god's sake!

 

Don't know if you frequent any general footy forums but Forest fans are a complete nightmare! I think the normal Forest fans on there (and there's a LOT - Forest fans like message boards) just get embarrassed by them shooting their mouths off. I agree even fans of mid-size premiership clubs can take things for granted when they've been there a few seasons. It can vanish so quickly once financies or a good manager dissapear.

 

There was no need to drag up all those stats. I think what I said was right concerning size of club, I wasn't really thinking about honours won to be honest, more just actual 'size' if you know what I mean. I can't imagine anybody arguing that you weren't bigger than Pompey or Leicester and neither was I but too many (not all i'll admit) Forest fans think you're one of the top six clubs in the country! I think we both know there's a middle line in there. I know we've won bugger all! Mighty Foxes?? Now who's taking the piss? I've never called them that myself....not even when I was seven years old! Would have been nice to win the FA Cup once though, even bloody Coventry managed that. You missed out our Charity Shield win though...I think one of the other teams couldn't be arsed or something so we took their place.

 

I remember the bribe team being Anderlecht because of that message at the start of any CM 97/98 game where it said they'd been banned from European competition this year because it had recently come to light.

 

Anyway, i'll leave you with a positive message from a footballing great.....

 

 

''If I can nearly make it back to the premiership then there's hope for Forest yet!''

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a real "honours" list, not many English teams win the Welsh Cup by beating Tranmere do they?

 

Division Two Champions: 1905/06

Division Three (South) Champions: 1922/23, 1926/27, 1954/55

Freight Rover Trophy winners: 1985/86

LDV Vans Trophy winners: 2003

Welsh Cup winners: 1934

Anglo-Scottish Cup winners: 1978

beat Juventus 2-1 in 1970

Sold Ralph Milne to Man Utd

 

Highest League placing: Runners-up, Division One 1906/07

FA Cup: Finalists 1909

League Cup: Semi-finalists 1970/71, 1988/89

Auto Windscreens Shield: Finalists 1999/2000

Freight Rover Trophy: Finalists 1986/87

turned down Peter Taylor and David Moyes for Tony Pulis

 

Edit: Watford fans rate Jordan as their worst player by a mile.

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Edit: Watford fans rate Jordan as their worst player by a mile.

 

 

"No way man! They love me! Wayne Bridge stole my England place! I played for the U-21's you know''.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watford fans have been moaning about him all season. It makes the current Watford situation really funny and i'll be cheering Jordon and the boys on against Leeds. 125 grand for him they paid.

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I'll have you know Pompey retained the FA Cup longer than any other club in the history of the competition.

 

Best thing about WWII.

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"I don't know if this will turn out to be a fore-boding of glory, but The assistant referee has a red flag which, by the way was the colour of England's shirts when they won the world cup in 1966."

 

How long do you think it will take before Motson mentions it?

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I can remember on which one it was, but on one of the old Champ Managers Jordan Stewart is an absolute God...

 

 

There are quite a few Forest fans who are utterly deluded, and it annoys me to a massive extent.. To the where I've had stand up arguments at games with people who can't understand that we're not 10-0 up again Southend because 'we've won the European Cup!' (which I know is an argument I occasionally use, but I try to keep in tongue in cheek).

 

However, I do think that we should realisticly be a Charlton-like Premiership club. We've got the ground, the history, the fan base... just not the team. And that annoys me, because if we'd been run by a chairman and managers anywhere near the level of 'competent' then I think we'd be there.

 

 

Anyway!

 

On to more important news. The LDV Vans Trophy is no more! Those of us in the lower leagues now how the highly coveted... Johnson's Paint Trophy to try and win! Oh how I cannot wait till next season....

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I do think it's only a matter of time before Forrest return to the Premiership, if only for a season.

 

On a related note, for a city as big as Bristol, I'm surprised they haven't had someone put money into City or Rovers. There's a Premiership club waiting to happen.

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:We have a Chairman and Director in Football's Rich list who decline to put their money in themselves(can't blame them)

:We need a large board level investment each year to keep us afloat

:A young squad with Cotterill and Brooker the only real assets

:No Potential for making a profit without being in the Championship

:Stadium with 2 stands that need work done(or move to a new one)

:An academy that costs at least 500k a year to run

:No real history

 

I'm actually pretty pleased with the way Johnson is managing, he has no money to spend so we'll have to get lower league or Frees which is what he did at Yeovil.

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Yeah, I've been following City since I moved here. It just seems that if there was a foreign millionaire looking to have a vanity club, Bristol would be a great place for one.

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If one ever did come in then I'd bet on a Latvian, we're there for pre season and Johnson has "contacts" over there from his time as national manager.

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I can remember on which one it was, but on one of the old Champ Managers Jordan Stewart is an absolute God...

 

Really? That's brilliant. I love those rubbish/unknown players who get turned into world beaters.

 

On to more important news. The LDV Vans Trophy is no more! Those of us in the lower leagues now how the highly coveted... Johnson's Paint Trophy to try and win! Oh how I cannot wait till next season...

 

That would be a crap name for a sunday league trophy!

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I remember Jordan Stewart being pretty good on Champ Man a few years back too. Then again, so was John Curtis, and he was a bunch of bollocks.

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on Cm01/02 by 06 the England squad usually looked something like this on my games.

 

Chris Kirkland

Richard Wright

Richard Lee

 

Wes Brown

Jamie Carragher

Jonathan Woodgate

Rio Ferdinand

Ashley Cole

Sol Campbell

Luke Young

Kevin Amankwaah(starring at Yeovil)

 

Lionel Morgan(Retired now)

Jobi Mcanuff

Ryan Williams(Aldershot)

David Beckham

Paul Scholes

Steven Gerrard

Joe Cole

 

Cherno Samba(Malaga)

Alan Smith

Emile Heskey

Michael Owen

Matt Blinkhorn

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I remember Jordan Stewart being pretty good on Champ Man a few years back too. Then again, so was John Curtis, and he was a bunch of bollocks

 

Stewart & Curtis. That was certainly a full-back partnership to forget.

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Cherno Samba(Malaga)

 

Ah, fond memories. Samba used to be a 30 goal a season player without fail every season on that game.

 

So, the right team won the Champions League, although it was looking a little hairy for a while. Would have been a travesty if Arsenal had won 1-0, with a goal from Sol Campbell of all people, after the abortion of a decision the ref made to kill the game off.

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Blatently Stolen World Cup Facts

 

The original World Cup was designed by Leonardo da Vinci, author of the notorious "Da Vinci Code", in 1492. It was lost to the world until 1966, when it was found in a quiet English lane by a dog called Pickles.

 

The Official Ball for the World Cup 2006 , developed by Adidas, is called TEAMGEIST. Its inner skin incorporates electronic diaphragms which emit a loud farting noise if the ball is kicked by Peter Crouch.

 

The first player ever to be sent-off in the World Cup was Peru's captain, Mario de la Casos in 1930. He was dismissed for attempting to indecently assault a llama in the opening minutes of the game against Romania.

 

The lowest attendance for a World Cup match was 300 spectators who watched Romania v Peru in 1930. At kick off there were 28000 spectators, but 27700 left after watching Mario de la Casos attempt to bugger a llama.

 

The youngest player in a World Cup final was not, as many people think, the 17 year old Pele, but 12 year old German forward Helmut Haller who scored in the 1966 final against England. To fool the Football Authorities,

wunderkind Haller was fed a diet of oxygenated whale blubber for twelve months before the tournament. After Germany's defeat he was said to be "completely deflated", but later found employment as John Motson.

 

The most insane player to appear in the World Cup was defender Ernesto Anchaviles of Paraguy, who was so insensed when his team conceded a golden goal to France in 1994 that he ate his own head. He was charged with bringing the game into disrepute, and offered no defence.

 

The only racing driver to appear in a World Cup was Ferrari's Michael Schumacher, who played in goal for Germany in their 1982 semi-final against France, and caused controversy by virtually breaking Battiston's neck in the 57th minute of the game. Schumacher has since tried to dampen down criticism by boring the living crap out of everybody in his second sport of F1 racing.

 

The smallest World Cup stadium was the Wankdorf Stadium in Berne which hosted the 1954 final. Only seven thousand raincoated spectators watched the match.

 

There have been 25 own goals in World Cup history, all of them scored by Des Walker.

 

If Peter Crouch plays in this year's finals, he will become the only player in World Cup history who jumps lower than his height.

 

The 2006 Tournament will be the first World Cup to be broadcast in the UK on High Definition. For those who don't know, High Definition refers to televisions which pretend to have better pictures than regular television but actually don't unless you watch them through a microscope, and is in fact just one more of the myths which allows manufacturers to rip off a gullible public, a bit like the "digital television is far better than analogue, if you ignore the crappy sound and the wholesale picture break-up" scam which has been going on for years. All you end up with is a catastrophic tangle of plugs, scart leads and aerial cables writhing in and out of televisions, video players, digiboxes, DVDs and microwave ovens which wink malevolently at you from the corner of your room.

 

This year's World Cup mascot is a lion called Goleo. It's called Goleo because it sounds like a merry version of "goal" or "gol". This is known as Euro-Krapp, the same infantile bollocks that changed "Jif" into "Cif", thus converting a perfectly adequate kitchen cleaner into something that sounds like a sexually transmitted disease.

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Hello all.

 

I might stick a tenner on Wednesday as a playoffs dark horse for next season if we can keep Carson, which we almost certainly cannot. Still reassuring how much we improved towards the end though, we definitely shouldn't struggle again. I'll say 10th.

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I reckong Forrest and Bristol City will get promoted next year.

 

Incidently, the company behind the World Cup mascot has gone bust. A month before the tournament starts.

 

Idiots.

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In other news, Bullen's staying after all. Although he can only get worse and I would like him to have finished on a high, if you take him out of the equation then we need to sign 5 different utility players, (one of them a keeper ) and name them on the bench every week. He would leave a hole.

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I reckong Forrest and Bristol City will get promoted next year.

Crewe,Doncaster(signed 4 players this week),Hudds,Oldham,Swansea/Barnsley and Forest should be the main Promotion rivals to us, and I think Carlisle might surprise a few.

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Watching fucking L**ds get well and truly done with a L**ds fan was one of the better Sunday afternoons in recent memory, after laughing at all the children crying when they went down.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...vil/5004786.stm

 

Not surprising, one of the worst kept secrets in football was that he'd join in the summer.

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We have an Algerian!

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Zidane was born there so there's a tiny chance you'll have a good one.

 

Edit: Isn't the one who was at Crewe is it? heard he's good

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That's the guy, Madjid Bougherra, a defender of about 23.