Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hurricane ain't much smaller than Orton is he? Actually, when Austin, Bret, Shawn, Flair and Savage were successes and Sid, Nash and Show weren't it makes you wonder why Vince keeps his policy of bigger=better. Idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hurricane ain't much smaller than Orton is he? Actually, when Austin, Bret, Shawn, Flair and Savage were successes and Sid, Nash and Show weren't it makes you wonder why Vince keeps his policy of bigger=better. Idiot. Height wise, no. Muscle mass size, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hurricane ain't much smaller than Orton is he? Actually, when Austin, Bret, Shawn, Flair and Savage were successes and Sid, Nash and Show weren't it makes you wonder why Vince keeps his policy of bigger=better. Idiot. Hogan is a bigger guy. Not huge, but taller than average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Orton has much more definition and looks more impressive, but I don't think that their actual weight would be too different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Orton has much more definition and looks more impressive, but I don't think that their actual weight would be too different. Well, he looks bigger than Hurricane. Isn't that really what counts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Orton has much more definition and looks more impressive, but I don't think that their actual weight would be too different. Well, he looks bigger than Hurricane. Isn't that really what counts? Yeah. It's not like we are weighing everyone in prior to the matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Also look at Hurricane and then look at HBK? The size thing really is bullshit. If Helms can get over with the silly superhero gimmick (which I really like, and hope he keeps for a while), than he can get over with pretty much anything. (IMO of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 24, 2003 I don't think...I HATED HATED HATED Suger Shane Helms and I can't see him getting over as an Normal person... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted July 24, 2003 So far Randy Orton has: Electricuted Goldust and made him stutter obsenities Played a critical role in helping HHH beat Kane, leading to his unmasking and subsequent rampage Beat Val Venus and Tommy Dreamer mercilessly Tossed Mick Foley down a flight of stairs "Single-handedly" allowed Chris Jericho to beat HBK Who or what next to be sacrificed to the "Get RO Over" campaign the WWE is hell-bent on? 1. The Goldust thing was before the big push. Plus, he had help from Bautista. Two guys beat up one guy. WHAT A PUSH! 1. first off two guys ELECTROCUTING someone is definately considered a heel push. Therefore it is a PUSH, especially when trying to get a heel group like evolution over. 2. He ran interference and ambushed an exhausted Kane. WHAT A PUSH! Interference wasn't the push, the fact of interference in the main event is!!! 3. He won two matches. WOW! It's not how many matches you win, it's also about TV time as well, and RO is definately getting a lot of that lately. 4. He ambushed a non-wrestler backstage WOW! Also, more TV time = push 5. How can helping someone be "single-handed?" And didn't Flair help too? And didn't Y2J work the back for 20 minutes? Nevermind that... WHAT A PUSH! Also, if you Run in and create interference that is a lot different from Flair's interference as a manager. When there is a run in it is to cause a commotion or be NOTICABLE.....therefore more of a push. You wanted someone to rebutt your points, and there it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2003 I don't think...I HATED HATED HATED Suger Shane Helms and I can't see him getting over as an Normal person... Damn good point. I guess I had blocked that from my memory. I also could not stand Sugar Shane. Still, even in the midst of my hate I could see that they guy was amazing in the ring. And he has improved since, I still mark the hell out for a shining wizard.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Sugar Shane was one of the most over personalities in the end of WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Also look at Hurricane and then look at HBK? The size thing really is bullshit. If Helms can get over with the silly superhero gimmick (which I really like, and hope he keeps for a while), than he can get over with pretty much anything. (IMO of course) IMO, Shane Helms looks noticeably less "built" than Shawn Micheals. Maybe it's the costume, I don't know, but I think he looks a little too skinny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hurricane looks like the smallest person on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hurricane looks like the smallest person on the roster. *coughShannonMoorecough* And how can you hate Sugar Shane? He was one of my favorite things about late WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2003 The Raw roster I think he meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Smaller than Spike Dudley? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted July 24, 2003 So far Randy Orton has: Electricuted Goldust and made him stutter obsenities Played a critical role in helping HHH beat Kane, leading to his unmasking and subsequent rampage Beat Val Venus and Tommy Dreamer mercilessly Tossed Mick Foley down a flight of stairs "Single-handedly" allowed Chris Jericho to beat HBK Who or what next to be sacrificed to the "Get RO Over" campaign the WWE is hell-bent on? 1. The Goldust thing was before the big push. Plus, he had help from Bautista. Two guys beat up one guy. WHAT A PUSH! 1. first off two guys ELECTROCUTING someone is definately considered a heel push. Therefore it is a PUSH, especially when trying to get a heel group like evolution over. 2. He ran interference and ambushed an exhausted Kane. WHAT A PUSH! Interference wasn't the push, the fact of interference in the main event is!!! 3. He won two matches. WOW! It's not how many matches you win, it's also about TV time as well, and RO is definately getting a lot of that lately. 4. He ambushed a non-wrestler backstage WOW! Also, more TV time = push 5. How can helping someone be "single-handed?" And didn't Flair help too? And didn't Y2J work the back for 20 minutes? Nevermind that... WHAT A PUSH! Also, if you Run in and create interference that is a lot different from Flair's interference as a manager. When there is a run in it is to cause a commotion or be NOTICABLE.....therefore more of a push. You wanted someone to rebutt your points, and there it is 1. But it didn't make him look any stronger, plus it was played off like ana ccident, so its not like they had planned to electrocute him before hand. So I don't see how it helps him in any way. 2. It doesn't matter. The purpose of this thread was to say that all these guys were being fed to Orton in some kind of monster push. Playing HHH's lapdog and interfereing against Kane only established that Orton was back, again it didn't make him look stronger. 3. The amount of TV time wasn't brought up. The point wasz that he beat a couple guys. That isn't a big deal. He's getting TV time, but not an obscene amount. That's not a huge push, man. That's a normal push. 4. But that wasn't the point. AGAIN, this guy is trying to say that they've been feeding people to Orton to get him over, that isn't true. Plus, I doubt that 30 second segment was going to get him over. Generally people get over in the ring. Or being booked in important programs. People don't get over in 30 second TV segments. Do you even watch wrestling? 5. No, interference is interference. And one move after 20 minutes of working the back and Ric Flair throttling HBK with his jacket, just so Y2J could make him tap did not put over Orton as some kind of legend killer. Which, again, was the point of this post. It wasn't to debate how 30 seconds of TV Time = equals mondo push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Well no...not Spike Dudley. But his entire purpose of being is that he IS small...not like Hurricane who just happens to be a tiny person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted July 24, 2003 He's not really that small......he's got muscle definition and he's not exactly short. Just b/c he isn't a muscle bound oaf.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2003 He's not really that small......he's got muscle definition and he's not exactly short. Just b/c he isn't a muscle bound oaf.... I'm not saying he is in bad shape or should bulk up. It's just that he would be seen as legitimate competition against the likes of HHH, Goldberg, and Kane. I think he is a great wrestler and should be pushed in the mid-card and be in the IC Title hunt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Yes but he could be bought perfectly fine as a main eventer is what I'm saying. Hell he's already over...I bet he could explode as a main event player with the proper push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Yes but he could be bought perfectly fine as a main eventer is what I'm saying. Hell he's already over...I bet he could explode as a main event player with the proper push. But how could he credibly contend against those other guys that I mentioned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted July 25, 2003 By beating the ever loving shit out of them. If they sell for him and act like he's just another wrestler that can beat them up then there wouldn't be any problem. The fans would believe it. Small guys take big guys in fights all the time. As a matter of fact it's usually the small guy that has the advantage. Usually they're quicker and better trained. It's all about the selling. If you sell...they will believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted July 25, 2003 The fans will buy someone small if they were given the proper push. Hell the fans don't care if someone is small. That is just a myth made up by the WWE to not push these guys. "Well he may be the most talented guy on the roster, and the fans may be into him and his matches hardcore, but.......he's just to small." I agree. If you package it right, tell the story right, you can make a believable little guy main eventer, even a champion. In a kayfabe sense, why does Big Show win matches? Because he's big and powerful. Not because he is a speedy, superb technical wrestler with a huge arsenal of moves. But his weakness is that he's slow. Why does Benoit win matches in kayfabe sense? Because his is a superb technical wrestler who can suprise you with a devastating submission move. But he doesn't have the same "power" as a Brock or a Big Show. Now is it so hard to believe that a small guy who is using his speed to get away from a big guy, and using submission stuff to wear him down could pick up the win? Competent story telling in the ring and proper selling by the announcers could make this work. Of course, WWE doesn't have either, and that's on a good day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 25, 2003 By beating the ever loving shit out of them. If they sell for him and act like he's just another wrestler that can beat them up then there wouldn't be any problem. The fans would believe it. Small guys take big guys in fights all the time. As a matter of fact it's usually the small guy that has the advantage. Usually they're quicker and better trained. It's all about the selling. If you sell...they will believe. Of the two heels (HHH & Kane), neither of them would or should sell for the Hurricane. There is a definite Kane-Helms match in the future because of their history, but it has to be a squash. As for HHH, the only time he sells for anyone is when they aren't really a contender and he is going over anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Conversations like the one about Hurricane keep slipping between what we know in real life and what could be portrayed in the ring. In real life, we know that HHH wouldn't ever let Helms get a win that actually mattered. And we know that the Kane-push is too out of control to let Helms make him look bad. But their size alone shouldn't make us say that Helms would have no chance. If booked right, and with proper selling from the bigger guys, there's no reason that someone the size of Helms couldn't be a Main Eventer, a title contender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TonyJaymzV1 Report post Posted July 26, 2003 You now, The Rock basically made him a Raw main eventer...then he gets shunted to a weak role against the frenchies...damnit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted July 26, 2003 Hurricane didn't beat the Rock, Austin distracted The Rock, and Hurrican e got the quick roll up. How is that catapulting Hurricane to main event status? To me that's a fluke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest claydude14 Report post Posted July 26, 2003 So far Randy Orton has: Electricuted Goldust and made him stutter obsenities Played a critical role in helping HHH beat Kane, leading to his unmasking and subsequent rampage Beat Val Venus and Tommy Dreamer mercilessly Tossed Mick Foley down a flight of stairs "Single-handedly" allowed Chris Jericho to beat HBK Who or what next to be sacrificed to the "Get RO Over" campaign the WWE is hell-bent on? 1. The Goldust thing was before the big push. Plus, he had help from Bautista. Two guys beat up one guy. WHAT A PUSH! 2. He ran interference and ambushed an exhausted Kane. WHAT A PUSH! 3. He won two matches. WOW! 4. He ambushed a non-wrestler backstage WOW! 5. How can helping someone be "single-handed?" And didn't Flair help too? And didn't Y2J work the back for 20 minutes? Nevermind that... WHAT A PUSH! Worst Post Ever. I'm too lazy to read 4 pages on Orton, but on the first page you posted this and went on to 'take on anyone' because you thought you were right. I don't see how you are. Your post is suggesting Randy Orton ISN'T getting a push, when Jesus Christ we all see that. Worst Post Ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2003 Um, actually, he's saying that Randy Orton isn't getting the monster push many believe he is. So, in your case..... WORST ASSUMPTION EVER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
