Guest Memphis Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Something tells me we'll be seeing Kane vs. RVD at SS with Rob jobbing... That was going to happen either way. Kane's monster-humungo-ultimate-unstoppable-force-dontfuckwithme push doesn't seem to be letting up, as it has been the focuse of all recent RAW shows. Fucks me what they are going to do when it's time for him to get a world title shot, but that's not my department. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 First of all, quit with the labels. Fuck "smark darlings". I like who I like, and I would like to think most people are more capable of independent thought than to just put themselves in some classification where they all think the same way. This is a public message board, not the Gestapo and we're not all some label of convenience who think blindly and the same way. Now that that's out of the way, having *read the article in question*, HHH was telling others backstage he had a problem with RVD and was complaining about being potatoed. And while HHH doesn't have the sloppy track record of RVD, he did give Kurt Angle a concussion at Summerslam 2000 and he did nearly break some jobber's neck back in 1996 with a sloppy pedigree. So, in short, this is not some "smark know it all" post as you claim. This is Dave Meltzer, a journalist who has been covering wrestling for 23 years, reporting on what was actually said and what happened. There ARE smark darlings however. That can't be denied. Hell, you're one of the most zealous fans of one of them. Also no one in this post has said "We're all sheep bahhh". Uh huh and what's wrong with HHH being mad that some guy potatoed him? Being potatoed isn't a good thing and shouldn't be acceptable. The two H incidents you pointed out were the fault of a table collapse and fighting a jobber who didn't know how to take the move. If you wanna go back to 1996 too, go back two more years and you have Benoit's memorable injurious back drop and the person he was doing it too was experienced. And no one's said it's a smark know-it-all post and I think it's ludicrous that you're telling everyone to stop labeling it as something before it's even posted. Again, just because Meltzer says it doesn't mean it's true and anyone who thinks so is naive. Their have been times before where Torch was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JAxlMorrison Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I'm actually surprised Rob has kept his mouth shut for so long. The money must be really really good for such an egomaniac to swallow his pride the way he has. Anyone else agree that he should have gotten the strap all the way back at No Mercy 2001? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Triple H has a legitimate reason to beef against RVD. During his stint of high levels of popularity in 2001, he was stiffing guys left and right. Triple H merely stated the truth about Van Dam and that is that RVD is a stiff worker. In RVD's defense, he's used to being stiff coming from ECW. I don't see this being good for RVD or for his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 23, 2003 RVD is probably one of the few wrestlers that could demand a good-to-great salary in the indys. Bottomline, is he will put asses in the seats. Not 20,000, but him being on the card alone could sell out any indy showx2. He should step up, he has nothing to lose really. I don't even view this whole incident as some huge, "stepping up to Triple H" All he did was ask him about comments he heard through the grapevine, big fucking deal. I thought from the title of this thread we were being led to believe that RVD was stepping up to HHH's backstage politics and alledged burials of certain people, now THAT would be truly STEPPING UP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Are you sure? I thought he was being super stiff because of the angle at hand, not for revenge....though I have heard that before from somewhere. Nope, read it on the internet, so take it with a grain of salt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Raven drew 200 fans (not a sell out) to an indy show recently... could RVD do THAT much better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Yeah...Put it in a East Coast Environment... RVD will sell 1,000+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 23, 2003 It probably depends on the overall card. I mean, RVD vs. NoCalMike, of course would not sell just on RVD, but if you added him to NWA-TNA, ROH, or MLW, I gurantee more people would start taking notice, merely because of RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 If I were RVD.... I'd take offense to the fact everyone seems to think "RVD IS PERFECT FOR TNA's environment" when the said environment is the same 1500 people everyweek with the same 13,000 buyers... This after he has maintained himself as one of the most over performers in front crowds of 20,000- 60,000 and MILLIONS at home... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 11and0baby Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Again you are all just jumping onto something that supposedly happened. Jeez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Again you are all just jumping onto something that supposedly happened. Jeez What else can we do? It's the BANE of our existance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CheesalaIsGood Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I really don't care how stiff the guys work with one another as long as it doesn't interfere with the match i.e. cause it to be stopped. Usually, if someone is being too stiff in the ring a wrestler is always taught to stiff them right back to show that you aren't gonna take any shit. So if HHH can't handle that then thats his problem. At least RVD has the balls to stand up for himself. Like him or hate him RVD is in a hurting spot. Seeing where he is on the card these days and KNOWING by all the indy speculation seen here, you just gotta KNOW he can be a draw! But as of now he isn't. I think the WWE knows this too, RVDs potential... which is why I think you'll see him on RAW for some time to come. That is until his star falls and then they will cut their losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Korgath Report post Posted July 23, 2003 From the looks of it, if RVD is going to be held down Molly-style for acting in opposition to the WWE executives (and Triple H), then he'll probably go the way of Jeff Hardy. Sooner or later, he or management will realise that despite the merchandise sales, a guy who does high spots day in and out won't be much use unless they do something about him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest God Junior Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I don't see what's so bad about HHH having a problem with it. If I got stiffed so many times by one guy, I'd be annoyed too. However, if Trips was a real man, he'd go and talk to RVD about it, instead of bitching behind his back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I don't think saying that RVD is perfect for TNA is a slam on RVD. It's basically like saying "RVD is perfect for anywhere but the WWE because he can't play politics and isn't 6'8 and on the juice". He was never going to get a push in the WWE anyway (it was pretty obvious when he spent months being more over than anyone else) so things like this just help me beleive that when his contract runs out next year he'll be hitting the road. I don't know what he makes now...but I doubt they'll offer him big bucks to resign if the state of business remains the same. So you factor in not paying him enough to put up with a job that he obviously doesn't enjoy anymore, and I hope to say we'll be seeing RVD headlining indy shows and working for TNA if they make it to the start of year 3. It's better off for everyone. Look at Raven for the perfect example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss4Words Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Game, I never said HHH didn't have a legitimate reason to have a beef, because he obviously does, as many times as he has been injured. I was just trying to point out what was actually reported and I think we need to stop with the "smark darling" crap. Yes, there are a lot of sheep everywhere that just form opinions because everyone else has them and they don't know why they have them, but there are also some of us that just like who we like because it's who we like -- not because the Internet likes or dislikes them. Also, Dave Meltzer does not work for the Torch. Finally, I think with Kane, he needs to go over RVD and just brutalize him at Summerslam and again at the September PPV. Let him wrest the title from Goldberg at Survivor Series and go over any and every babyface they can find in convincing fashion. Finally, let RVD pin him and win the title, adjusting his offense based on things that did not work in previous matches. RVD has to bust out rarely used moves or brand new moves to get the job done and shows new character depth because he has to reach deeper than ever to slay the monster. We see a new, smart, effective side of RVD that learned from his previous mistakes and doesn't want fate to repeat itself. As champion, RVD's challengers would then tread lightly with him, because they know what he's capable of, to a point where he even surprised himself. That's how you get Kane over as a monster and that's how you make his eventual demise more interesting. That's also how you take RVD to the next level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Is Van Dam looking for a cool way out? Seriously, if he was to get fired and sign for TNA and shoot on Triple H as often as he could, their ratings would rocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss4Words Report post Posted July 23, 2003 RVD going to TNA before they renegotiated his contract and gave him a raise last year might have been probable. Now, he's making money that he probably couldn't make doing the indies and Japan. It's not like Raven, where he wasn't mkaing much money to begin with so it was easy for him to make more independently. As much as I'd like to see RVD leave and be properly pushed sometimes, I'd rather him stay and get pushed where he is now. He'll be way too big of a fish in entirely too small of a pond in TNA. Any opponents Rob could actually draw money with are employed by WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 If were fired He would be Gagged Ordered and wouldn't be allowed to work for at MINIMUM of 3 months. Why would you assume that RVD is doing this shit on purpose? Do you really think he wants to get fired so he can go back to low pay...Low market and 1500 people again with a company that doesn't have a foundation for the future and give up WHAT HE HAS IN WWE. Yes...Everyone says "Raven is happy" Of course Raven is happy why? because he is a Single Male with no family with a nice trust fund. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 He has nothing with WWE, but if it's all about the money - fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Nothing? Job Security. (TNA isn't promised to last much longer) MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF FANS AROUND World. (MUCH BETTER then 1500 people in Tennesee and about 15,000 in america. Idiot. You really think RVD would sacrifice everything just because he isn't head lineing? RVD has a family...Only a IDIOT would screw their kid's future because he wanted to do more flips in front of 1500 people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 For a lot of guys it's not all about the money or how many you are performing in front of. If you are being dicked about by a company, you want to leave, no matter what the stakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Yeah...FUCK YOUR KIDS AND FUCK YOUR WIFE! I'm not GETTING PUSHED! I'm leaving for low pay and no exposure. Stupid Fucking Logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Hmm. Mick Foley anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Mick Foley was already Made. He saved his money and it was his BOOKS that put him over for retirement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 And RVD isn't already made? RVD is a commercial machine. If he signed for NWA he probably earn as much as Foley did at WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss4Words Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I wouldn't say that's true now that there's no competition. Wrestlers had to learn to swallow their pride if they wanted to maintain work when the monopoly started. It's not like RVD can jump to WCW and go right into main events, which might have been a possibility in the past. Yeah, he's being dicked around, and yeah, I'm sure he's upset, but the only way he could have this steady job security would be to go to Japan, and there are no guarantees there first of all, and secondly, he'd be across the world from his family all the time. Sometimes, we need to remember that wrestlers are people too, and most of us don't just quit a job every time we don't like something that's been assigned to us. It's called being a professional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 .. from commerical deals alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 IRRC...Foley Made around Neighborhood of 75,00-175,000 with WCW. TNA Can't Offer that. No...RVD isn't MADE. Sorry but Black Mask 2 and City High doesn't cut it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
