Possible Survivor Series Main Event

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

The original argument was from humongous2002 stating that Eddy deserves the title more then Benoit, which he doesn't. I responded in kind. The meaning I took from it was "overall" not "right now". I guess other people read differently.

[Guest Choken One]

Why? Eddy has always been more entertaining the Mr. Roboto.

 

They are about equal on talent and ability...

 

Eddy has the upper hand in entertainment value...

 

Charisma Value...

Character Value...

[Guest Retro Rob]

Your point being..................?

 

I said nobody deserves the title more then Chris Benoit. What does Eddy being over *right now* have anything to do w/ that?

Generally if someone is generating the kind of reaction Eddie is, they are more qualified to be the champion than someone is not. I mean watch SmackDown tonight. From what I heard the crowd turns on Benoit and goes nuts for Eddie. Taking that into consideration, why should Benoit get the title over the person the crowd actually cares about?

[Guest Choken One]

well LOTC was speaking Historically that Benoit was more deserving then Eddy...

 

Which isn't true in my opinion.

[Guest wwF1587]

thats a big relief and pleasant suprise... i was expecting like Big Show/Gowen or something... Now im all for this decision as much as anyone else, and eddie certainly deserves it (i may cry in happiness if he wins the wwe title) but if the wwe are giving it to him cause he is soo over.. isnt that hypocritical.. i mean hhh is the world champ and hes not that over... goldberg is not over much either why is that summerslam me material?.. meh oh well... good for eddie and im glad that whoever thought of this either...makes me think there is SOME hope for WWE

[Guest Retro Rob]

I don't really think the past should even play a factor. They should do what is right for the present.

[Guest Choken One]

I Agree but that wasn't LOTC point.

[Guest Goose749]

regardless, LOTC does have a point in that Benoit does deserve the title. However, at the moment, Eddie is more deserving, and has the side of the crowd.

Right now, I'd like to see Benoit get US and Eddie go for heavyweight gold.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I don't really think the past should even play a factor. They should do what is right for the present.

So putting the title on Zach Gowen would be acceptable by your standards, being that Gowen is pretty fuckin over right now?

 

Historically, Benoit wins. Bell to bell in the last 13 or so years, *nobody* has been better in that ring then Benoit. Nobody has put in the dedication and passion that he has. Nobody can test his desire and willingness to constantly learn. He has earned the right to a title run. If Benoit was given 1/10th of the push that Lesnar got, he'd be ruling the company by now.

 

The crowd turned on Benoit because they were in a Latino area and Benoit mocked Eddy w/ a fake accent. That has nothing to do w/ Eddy being over, it's a territory thing. The same deal happened on Raw a few weeks back w/ HBK and Jericho.

 

I disagree that Eddy has a better character then Benoit. Benoits is more real. He is the long struggling journeyman, personifying the desire to be the best at what he does. His character is one that everybody can relate to, because at one time in our lives we have all been *this close* to getting something we deserve and love and it's taken away from us.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Bottom line is that both Eddie and Benoit deserve, at the very least, a shot at the World title. They are both great in the ring. They both have been over without a huge push (Eddie right now, Benoit in the beginning of the year). The crowd loves Eddie's character. Benoit's character is easily relatable. Right at this moment, it might be smarter to put the title of Eddie, but putting the title on Benoit wouldn't be a stupid move in the least.

[Guest Retro Rob]

So putting the title on Zach Gowen would be acceptable by your standards, being that Gowen is pretty fuckin over right now?

 

No for two reasons.

 

1) He's not a credible contender.

2) Neither he or Benoit are over the same way that Eddie. Eddie shouldn't be getting face pops, but he is. What does that tell?

 

Historically, Benoit wins. Bell to bell in the last 13 or so years, *nobody* has been better in that ring then Benoit. Nobody has put in the dedication and passion that he has. Nobody can test his desire and willingness to constantly learn. He has earned the right to a title run. If Benoit was given 1/10th of the push that Lesnar got, he'd be ruling the company by now.

 

I agree with you that Benoit has been fucking awesome for his entire career, but currently he is not the right guy to win the WWE Title.

 

The crowd turned on Benoit because they were in a Latino area and Benoit mocked Eddy w/ a fake accent. That has nothing to do w/ Eddy being over, it's a territory thing. The same deal happened on Raw a few weeks back w/ HBK and Jericho.

 

Let's see what happens on PPV. According to Meltz the segment with Benoit and Eddie was designed to make Eddie the heel.

 

I disagree that Eddy has a better character then Benoit. Benoits is more real. He is the long struggling journeyman, personifying the desire to be the best at what he does. His character is one that everybody can relate to, because at one time in our lives we have all been *this close* to getting something we deserve and love  and it's taken away from us.

 

Who has the better character doesn't really matter. What does matter is which character the fans are reacting to and right now it's Eddy's. Fuck, even the crowd was pulling for Matt Hardy against Benoit last week. Benoit's "time" was in the beginning of 2003. Since then he has not been put in a position that would prepare him for another run at the title.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I think Eddy can handle a main event feud but he's not ready for a main event title run. Benoit is. Have Eddy CTW at Vengence, do Benoit vs Guerrero 2/3 Falls at SummerSlam, Benoit goes over and then Eddy moves on for a fall feud w/ Lesnar or Angle.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I think Eddy can handle a main event feud but he's not ready for a main event title run. Benoit is.

How do you figure? At least Eddie has been consistently fighting upper tier guys and winning matches. Benoit has been teaming/teasing a turn with Rhyno for months now and nothing has come out of it yet. Eddie on the other hand is fresh off a tag-title run and turning on Tajiri.

[Guest Goose749]

I think Eddy can handle a main event feud but he's not ready for a main event title run. Benoit is.

How do you figure? At least Eddie has been consistently fighting upper tier guys and winning matches. Benoit has been teaming/teasing a turn with Rhyno for months now and nothing has come out of it yet. Eddie on the other hand is fresh off a tag-title run and turning on Tajiri.

(That damn jobbing to the Bashams still pisses me off)

I think Benoit and Rhyno would have done better had Team Angle not been given the push at the time. Either way, I don't think that team should have been formed in the first place.

I say give the title to Eddie, then give Benoit the push and put him in the running.

[Guest Choken One]

Surprised no one mentioned the fact Angle would be on the other side of the ring for this match...

 

This would force a Tweener Angle for the story line...

[Guest LatinoHeat]

YES YES YES YES YES

 

THat's all I can say.

 

I might even make the drive from L.A to Texas to see this unfold.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Surprised no one mentioned the fact Angle would be on the other side of the ring for this match...

 

This would force a Tweener Angle for the story line...

Well that all depends on whether it is Kurt or Brock playing the heel role for their rematch at XX.

[Guest Choken One]

If Anything...Lesnar has to be the Champion for the rematch...

 

So...I'd Say have Angle drop it to the mega Over Tweener Eddy...

 

Eddy drops it to the heel turned Lesnar in an Vicious manner (think Vader/Cactus here) and Angle is the major face to regain his title and with the premise that Lesnar turns on his good friend Kurt for his own selfish reasons...

 

Angle gets the Major babyface push and Lesnar is the major heel...

[Guest Retro Rob]

That's what I would do it too (Angle/Face Lesnar/Heel), but who knows if that is how this will go down.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Why does everyone care sooooo much about another Angle/Lesnar WM match? The match this year wasn't so amazing that I need to see it main two WMs.

 

You wanna know why Eddie can feasibly get a push? He's actively getting over on a show where there's really 1. no one who is a major draw and 2. no one who is playing huge amounts of politics.

 

Someone mentioned the ladder match with Team Angle. Not only did Eddie have to carry two green rookies there, he also had to carry his own tag partner Tajiri, who was missing spots left and right.

 

Benoit will likely get some sort of token title run in the future, but right now Eddie is certainly more deserving. Eddie knows how to work a crowd much better than Benoit.

[Guest Choken One]

Because Considering the fact that Angle was at 60% for the match...It still hit ***1/2 to ****.

 

Personally...I'd rather See Lesnar/Angle II at Slam or Series but I could see L/A II at Mania over anything with Benoit and Eddy.

 

Personally...I'd perfer Benoit/Angle and Lesnar/Eddy at Mania over anything but I know that won't happen.

 

I'm still thinking there is a *legit* chance Cena could be headlining the show. When Lesnar debuted last year no one thought "WM Main Event".

 

So we can't deny that probobility.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Why does everyone care sooooo much about another Angle/Lesnar WM match? The match this year wasn't so amazing that I need to see it main two WMs.

Because if Angle was 100% the match could have been even better and the two of them are the strongest main eventers on SmackDown.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

My hard-on for the heel Lesnar vs. face Angle match comes from the story that could be told by the two in the ring mixed in with the technical elements of having two top notch amateur wrestlers going at it.

 

Eddie needs a proper uppermidcard springboard to become a viable main eventer. Benoit has already had 3 main event level feuds over his WWE tenure (Rock, Austin, Angle) so his jump isn't as high as Eddie (though there still is one given the past 6 month booking). There is no uppermidcarder that can fill that spot to 'make' Eddie. Looking at the roster there is _2_ guys who could do it and that's Angle and Big Show. Given that the "plan" is for Angle to be Champ vs. Guerrero, then that just leaves the big show. I don't put in Benoit or Lesnar because a)Benoit vs. Guerrero is a mid-card title feud right now, and b)Guerrero beating Lesnar just isn't believable. Why is Big Show believable? Simply put, Cheat to Win. Guerrero cheating against Big Show would make the crowd go wild because of the gross mismatch involved and the big show's reactions would work well to complement Eddie's smirk and sly grin.

[Guest Choken One]

Although it means more Big Show...I Like the Idea..

 

You play up that Lesnar never could beat TBS (WWE revisionist history in play) and that Eddy was smart enough to...There's your hook for a potential Eddy/Lesnar fued down the line...

 

It Puts Eddy over even more...Eddy wins the title...Lesnar just kills Eddy and then we can get the mega babyface angle Vs Mega Heel Lesnar for XX.

[boobshaw 0]

well.....maybe there is a wrestling god.....and he just may love us all.

Maybe he's back from his two year drinking binge.

[Sideburnious 0]

I think that Eddie would make a great champion as he has the skill to back it up and has the charisma as well. Not to mention his overness.

[Guest undisputedjericho]

I'd just like to throw out there that if Eddie wins the title, he'll be the third ever grand slam winner, and first non-Kliq one.

[Guest Choken One]

Angle was a Clique Member?

 

Angle is the only person that HELD every title (World, WWE, IC, Euro, Hardcore, Tag Team)

 

At least I think he held the Tag Title at one point...

[Guest CanadianChick]

He held it with Benoit late 2002, so yes, he has had the tag belt.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

But the lineage of that title isn't with the actual tag titles.

 

It's like throwing in the US title as part of the Grand-Slam in the place of the IC title.