Offical moves thread

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

So is it safe to assume an Exploder Suplex as a Rock Bottom into an overhead? Either that or you guys have missed something out in your descriptions, because thats have you've transcribed it.

 

Plus, i had a crazy idea:

 

Someone has a backslide attempt locked in and is near the corner, facing the turnbuckles. That person then kicks up off the TB when their feet, the backslide still locked in. Flipping over their opponent, the attacker finally releases his victims arms and lands with a DDT.

 

I know its possible, you can picture a Jody Fleisch or a Rey Jr. executing it.

[Guest Dace59]

Ok, better desc.

 

Hook head like a RockBottom, but stand by the opps. side, facing the side of the opps. head. Place arm between legs and suplex over/to side.

The Exploder 98 has the opps. other arm between their legs adn in a wrist crunch. Suplx over head to high angle landing.

 

Your backslide flip over into a DDT idea is tried and tasted (along with other counter versions). By MaddDog I think in K-Star. I've seen a few big guys do it too.

Another version, attacker tries to backslide opp. gets them over, up the opp. flips forward off the opps. shoulders, as they land the attacker catches them with a DDT, or the DDT does before the attacker recovers if it's a counter.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Another crazy idea.  

 

Your basic neckbreaker involves grabbing the head and twisting.  Imagine this.  Grab the guy by hooking your arms through his elbows when he's in a bending over position.  Put your head under his shoulder and then twist until you're looking upward, then drop.  A butterfly neckbreaker.

 

Maybe not a finisher, but not a bad move, I'd think.

[Guest Dace59]

That ones been done. Looks cool, and you can hang on for chain ones.

 

The inverted version has also been done as well. (Stunner or Diamond Cutter with your arms reached back and hooked over their shoulders, linked at the back of the neck) Double overhook Ace Crusher

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Oh, damn.  Um, okay, I'll try for another original idea.

I'll probably fail at it, though.  It astounds me how many moves people have already come up with.  One could almost make the point that it'd be damn hard to make an really new moves.

[Guest Dace59]

It is 99.9% impossible to make a new move. Had a few true new ones in the past few years, but trust me.. it's big news if a real new move comes about.

 

Wrestling has been around for a long time, a lot of people wrestle and come up with moves.

So that's what makes it so hard.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Anyone know the name for this move?

 

In a tag match, (call it A & B vs C & D), A lifts C onto his shoulders and B hits a hurricanrana on C from the top rope. I saw a failed attempt involving Benoit as the A wrestler in Japan. Can't remember who else was in the match.

 

A super-rana?

[Guest Dace59]

The lift on the partners shoulder is as an electric chair suplex, or shoulder mount suplex.

So it's gerneraly called a stack up, or shoulder mount <Whatever move> So it'd be a stack up or shoulder mount rana.

 

A super rana would just be opp. on the top getting Rana'ed off.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

As the person who earlier talked about their e-fed move, "The Lotus Suplex," Mike Modest uses the side fisherman's suplex as a regular move in his arsenal.

 

Dace, I know this move has probably been done, because I THINK I've seen it...I just need clarification...

 

Wrestler A gets behind Wrestler B, holding B's left arm between B's legs (A is holding the arm with his LEFT hand), and then A applies a half-nelson using his right arm, hooking B's right arm. With the half-nelson locked on, and B's left arm held in the pumphandle-like position, A then suplexes B German-style.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

I thought I was being creative with this, but I just saw it done on a Japanese women's wrestling tape not too long ago. Bless their hearts.

Anyway Wrester A gets Wrestler B into a crucifix powerbomb while A's partner, Wrestler C, climbs to the top turnbuckle.

A faces away from C and C jumps off the top rope and grabs B by the neck, sort of in a reverse bulldog. C rides B down to the mat while A drops down with a Razor's Edge. And B is fucked. One of the most vicious tag team moves I've seen.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

*cracks knuckles* OK, let's go...

 

#1) I know, thanks to FPW for GBA, that the stretch/pumphandle driver has been created... but what about a pumphandle slam that flows into an emerald fusion? That been done? I've never seen it done... and knowing my luck, someone in Japan has already done it...

 

#2) How about this:

 

Wrestler A is on the top rope, facing toward the crowd, Wrestler B just getting up. As Wrestler B gets up, facing Wrestler A, Wrestler A leaps off the top rope, flipping into a Phoenix Splash, but just before Wrestler A hits B, A grabs B around the head and snaps back, flipping onto his back into a DDT.

 

Basically, a Phoenix Splash into a Spiked or Jumping DDT.

[Guest Ignatz Belzner]

That Phoenix Splash counter would be interesting, but is likely fatal.  They person doing the splash would be moving way too fast for that kinda potential cranial trauma.

 

And now, for something completely different:

 

How about this:  A has B set up for a Razor's Edge, near the turnbuckle.  C is on the top turnbuckle, comes off with a missile dropkick to B's head, then A drops B to complete the move.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Correct... however, the guy doing the Phoenix Splash also hits the DDT.

 

It's basically a REALLY fancy Tornado DDT.

 

And it's also my e-wrestling finisher.

[Guest Ignatz Belzner]

Oh, I thought the other wrestler countered the Phoenix with a DDT.

[Guest Special K]

I always thought a neat move would be wrestler A has B on the top rope in the fallaway slam setup (just holding him so B is sideways.) Then A moonsaults and slams B to the mat. A moonsault slam. I think this one would be quite feasible.

 

Oh, and as to suplexes, I think I know just about all of them, except what is the spider suplex?

[Guest Special K]

Dang just thought of another. Ocean cyclone suplex?

[Guest Dace59]

Wrestler A gets behind Wrestler B, holding B's left arm between B's legs (A is holding the arm with his LEFT hand), and then A applies a half-nelson using his right arm, hooking B's right arm. With the half-nelson locked on, and B's left arm held in the pumphandle-like position, A then suplexes B German-style.

 

Inverted Expolder 98... been thought off, dunno if it's bee done.

 

Thought I was being creative with this, but I just saw it done on a Japanese women's wrestling tape not too long ago. Bless their hearts.

Anyway Wrester A gets Wrestler B into a crucifix powerbomb while A's partner, Wrestler C, climbs to the top turnbuckle.

A faces away from C and C jumps off the top rope and grabs B by the neck, sort of in a reverse bulldog. C rides B down to the mat while A drops down with a Razor's Edge. And B is fucked. One of the most vicious tag team moves I've seen.

 

Hart Attack from a Crucifix bomb, nice!

 

#1) I know, thanks to FPW for GBA, that the stretch/pumphandle driver has been created... but what about a pumphandle slam that flows into an emerald fusion? That been done? I've never seen it done... and knowing my luck, someone in Japan has already done it...

 

Pumphandle Emerald Frujion (proper Japanese name) has been done in CZW. Both Pumphandle powerbombs and piledrivers have been done.

 

Basically, a Phoenix Splash into a Spiked or Jumping DDT.

Dunno about that. Only one I've seen that's possible it a backwards dive, or a moonsault DDT. Dolphin and Deflin DDT's

 

How about this:  A has B set up for a Razor's Edge, near the turnbuckle.  C is on the top turnbuckle, comes off with a missile dropkick to B's head, then A drops B to complete the move.

 

Normaly done with a plain old  powerbomb

A Crucifix bobm is spiked with a diving knee drop to the face (not kidding)

 

Oh, and as to suplexes, I think I know just about all of them, except what is the spider suplex?

 

Sipder suplex, works for any behind suplex. Sit opp on top rope, facing outwards, you sit behind them. Hook your legs beteen the top and second ropes. Do an move like a German suplex off the top. Becuase your legs arfe hook you go into sort oa tree of wore. Then you can pull yourslef back up, then do a moonsault or something.

 

I always thought a neat move would be wrestler A has B on the top rope in the fallaway slam setup (just holding him so B is sideways.) Then A moonsaults and slams B to the mat. A moonsault slam. I think this one would be quite feasible.

 

Well, double team moonsault rockbottoms have beend one.

 

Dang just thought of another. Ocean cyclone suplex?

 

Stand behind opp. Cross their arms infront of them. Duck your head between thier legs, lift them up onto your shoulders, still holding hteir arms crossed. Fall/bridge backwards into a pin. Basicly a cross armed electric chair suplex.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Oh, I thought the other wrestler countered the Phoenix with a DDT.

Yep... but you would be right if it were a counter...

 

But it's not.

 

Any thing about the first one I posted?

[Guest snowfan]

I think doing a dragon sleeper chained into a reverse powerbomb would be a cool finisher.  You hold on to the headlock and lift the person onto your shoulder then fall with the person facing face-down on impact.  It could also be used as a guillotine if you landed on the ropes instead.

 

Might be a bit too "high-impact" though and would probably be a hard bump to control.

[Guest Mudshark]

How about a stacked victory roll? One gets his opponent on his shoulders, his back towards his corner. Then his partner hops onto the turnbuckles and hits the victory roll from there.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

I think that suplexes are highly customizable if you think about it.

 

You could stand behind an attacker and get one of their arms in a half nelson, hammerlock, straitjacket around the waist, wrist clutch, or tiger underhook, and do one of the above to the other arm. The possibilities of mixing and matching these are a long list.

 

One particular suplex i wanna see executed is an inverted full nelson into an overhead suplex. I tagged it as a Golden Arrow suplex myself, but then Scott Parker started calling his finisher the Golden Arrow (its a Falcon Arrow). Anyone know of a wrestler, Puro, American, Indy or UK, that uses this? What do they call it?

 

Plus, weve all seen Christian, Dean Malenko and others use the fireman's gutbuster. It's called a Stomach Crusher on SD. What i wanna see is a inverted version (torture rack into backbreaker). And back to the subject of series moves, imagine 2 pendulum backbreakers, and a tilt o whirl gutbuster in succession.

 

Ill have the semi finals of the IC tourney up later tonight.

[Guest Eric the Eagle]

I always thought the Ocean Cyclone was a German Suplex (sort of) where you picked up the opponent lying face down on the ground (Henry Godwinn did one to one of the Body Donnas back in '96 -Summerslam, I think, though I could be very wrong).

 

One of the guys in NWF uses the flip and DDT counter to the backslide a bit (he's yet to use it on a show, though). Of course, one of his trademarks is flipping out of the most ridiculous things (a push, for example...).

[Guest Dace59]

Over head inverted full nelson suplex was done, once in really life in a shoot fight that got way outta control. Landed as a vertical sheer drop, did massive damage to the opps. neck.

 

A Torture rack is NOT an inverterd fireman's carry.. Torture rack is on the side. Back Breaker RAck is an ivnerterd fireman's carry.

 

I think doing a dragon sleeper chained into a reverse powerbomb would be a cool finisher.  You hold on to the headlock and lift the person onto your shoulder then fall with the person facing face-down on impact.  It could also be used as a guillotine if you landed on the ropes instead.

 

That wouldn't work. You could just drop them down onto their head/upper back, but  that's just an EF.

 

I always thought the Ocean Cyclone was a German Suplex (sort of) where you picked up the opponent lying face down on the ground (Henry Godwinn did one to one of the Body Donnas back in '96 -Summerslam, I think, though I could be very wrong).

 

Nope, like I said, it's a cross arm bridging electric chair suplex.

[Guest Dace59]

KA! Bump! -O!

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Vicious idea: Powerbomb while another guy rides the victim down with Doink's Whoopie Cushion.

 

Here's another one, but it'd take balance and balls of steel: One guy sits on the turnbuckle and another guy snap powerbombs the victim off while standing on his shoulders. I'd think this would work best in a cage so the guy applying the powerbomb can prop himself against it in case.

 

Heck one more, top rope gourdbuster onto a waiting guy who catches the victim on his shoulder, spins and turns it into a Greetings from Asbury Park/Rikishi Driver. Break ribs, end misery...

 

Ced "Thinks of Awful Things to Do to Wrestlers" O

[Guest Dace59]

Heck one more, top rope gourdbuster onto a waiting guy who catches the victim on his shoulder, spins and turns it into a Greetings from Asbury Park/Rikishi Driver. Break ribs, end misery...

 

Why no just an inverted piledriver, than that trying to of the worst "fake" piledriver moves. That, or a running powerslam across the patners knee.

 

Here's another one, but it'd take balance and balls of steel: One guy sits on the turnbuckle and another guy snap powerbombs the victim off while standing on his shoulders. I'd think this would work best in a cage so the guy applying the powerbomb can prop himself against it in case.

 

Just a show off, and a way to mess up. Better off doing a spiked super bomb.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

"It is 99.9% impossible to make a new move. Had a few true new ones in the past few years, but trust me.. it's big news if a real new move comes about."

 

Well i feel much better about my NL Buster and the Super Samurai Driver now.

[Guest Dace59]

A super Samurai Driver is not a new move. Doing a move of the top does not make it a new move. It means nothing.

 

The NL Buster, might be a new one, ok.

[Guest Dace59]

Bump + Moves.

 

Expolder Delta (not it's not really an Exploder, but anyway)

Stand facing the opp, to one side. Hook near arm round body under arm pits. Reach down with far arm and hook opps. far leg behind opps. near leg (so it's a 4) Suplex over, twisting slightly. Hold on and bridge for the pin. Pull legs over body for extra leverage.

 

Flatliner 2 (Downward Spiral/ reverser STO) B and C.

B: Set up as Flatliner 2/Downard Spiral, but take opps. far and straight jacket across their body. Hook their near arm over  the sholder (reverse inverted half nelson) and link with the opps. straight jacketed arm. Hook head as Flatliner 2, fall back.

 

C: AS above, but straight jacket both arms. For far arm, reach over and behind body. Preform as Flatliner 2.

 

For Reference. Flatliner 1: Super Soman Drop. Flatliner 2: Reverse STO/Edge's Downward Spiral

Flatlinger 3: Reverse RockBottom/I'm Betta Than You.

[Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster]

OK, heres some moves that id like to see happen. By this i mean with my OWN EYES. regardless of if its ever been done before or not.

 

Also, word-by-word corrections on my terminology are welcomed but dont expect me to be all humble and change my ways ASAP. Ive got my own thing going on with moves so i understand them perfectly in my own way.

 

Imagine:

 

- A suicide dive/tope con hilo caught and converted into a powerslam.

 

- An inverted Buzzkiller/Edgecution. I dont mean D-Vons variation, because he sits down and the Buzzkiller requires a flat fall back like any old DDT does. Kinda like a inverted brainbuster, but more back of the head than neck.

 

- A military press caught into a samoan drop. A rolling samoan drop could look better.

 

- A fireman's carry into a neckbreaker. Imagine how sick it'd look if done perfectly: Looking like a DVD attempt, leap upwards, releasing the legs and sending them flipping over, but using both hands to cradle the head and sitting down sharply a'la Rick Rude.

 

- a double-team Unprettier, where the second guy picks up the victims legs and simply holds them at waist level, causing more impact to the face and neck.

 

- If someone was doing the 10-mounted-punches-in-the-corner spot to me, id grab one of their legs and come out with a running kneebreaker. Also, a kneebreaker could be countered with a sunset flip, which id like to see.

 

- A wheelbarrow/inverted bomb setup, and flipping them in the air high enough to be able to duck your head and catch them on your shoulders. Anything could follow from here: Electric Chair drop, EC suplex, hotshot on the ropes, whatever. But just to see that setup would be swank, even though itd take a Lesnar/Hardy or Test/Tajiri sort of pairing to pull it off.

 

Anyway thats me outta gas at least for this morning as far as the moves thread goes. I look forward to your analysis and scrutiny Dace as always, but where you probably have twice the move knowledge i do, i make up for it with my imagination lol.

 

And can anyone tell me who uses the Inverted Full Nelson Overhead suplex, and what they call it?