The One and Only RAW Thread

[Guest The Old Me]

IC title>world title

[Guest Retro Rob]

Oh please. At least the World Champion comes out looking stronger than his opponents. Booker and Christian have been complete jokes as champions. I don't think there has been a 100% clean IC Title match since the title's inception in May.

[Guest The Old Me]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out. That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I don't care how old the titles are or how HHH "won" his. At least HHH defends his title successfully without outside interference. Booker T needs help from everyone under the sun and Christian needs his matches to be restarted a dozen times before going over.

[Guest The Old Me]

I don't care how old the titles are or how HHH "won" his. At least HHH defends his title successfully without outside interference. Booker T needs help from everyone under the sun and Christian needs his matches to be restarted a dozen times before going over.

HHH always "escapes", or get's himself DQ'ed to set up rematches, or uses his trusty phallic hammer.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Are people really forgetting that HHH-Goldberg WAS a dream match? People DID want to see it. I remember all the threads when the Invasion was imminent: "Dream matches", "WCW vs. WWF", "Now we can see these." There was HHH-Goldberg, HHH-Steiner, Austin-Hogan, and Rock-Goldberg to name a few. You can't deny that these were all mentioned. Now that some happened, they were crap, but they WERE anticipated.

[Guest JMA]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out. That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

Actually, the IC title WAS just handed out... to Pat Patterson. Unless you believe the Rio De Jeniro stuff. Also, the original WWWF World title was handed off to Buddy Rogers as well. He supposedly "won" his title in the same place as Patterson. Of course, he only had one defense against Bruno Sammartino and was beaten fast. That gave the title much more credibility.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out.  That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

Actually, the IC title WAS just handed out... to Pat Patterson. Unless you believe the Rio De Jeniro stuff. Also, the original WWWF World title was handed off to Buddy Rogers as well. He supposedly "won" his title in the same place as Patterson. Of course, he only had one defense against Bruno Sammartino and was beaten fast. That gave the title much more credibility.

Actually, Rogers had plenty of defenses between when he was given the WWWF Championship and when Bruno beat it for him. Checked that out in the history of WWWF/WWF/WWE page.

 

Also...yes Patterson was handed the IC Title...but only because they were using that belt to replace the WWWF North American Championship...which Patterson had won.

[Guest The Old Me]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out.  That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

Actually, the IC title WAS just handed out... to Pat Patterson. Unless you believe the Rio De Jeniro stuff. Also, the original WWWF World title was handed off to Buddy Rogers as well. He supposedly "won" his title in the same place as Patterson. Of course, he only had one defense against Bruno Sammartino and was beaten fast. That gave the title much more credibility.

While I am aware Pat "Won" the title in a fictional tournament, at least they CREATED fictional tourney for him to win, instead of a "boss" just handing him the title for no reason at all.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out.  That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

Actually, the IC title WAS just handed out... to Pat Patterson. Unless you believe the Rio De Jeniro stuff. Also, the original WWWF World title was handed off to Buddy Rogers as well. He supposedly "won" his title in the same place as Patterson. Of course, he only had one defense against Bruno Sammartino and was beaten fast. That gave the title much more credibility.

While I am aware Pat "Won" the title in a fictional tournament, at least they CREATED fictional tourney for him to win, instead of a "boss" just handing him the title for no reason at all.

The storyline reason I think that Bischoff gave Trips that title was due to the fact Trips won the Number ONe contender's match the previous week on Raw...but was unable to get the title shot due to Lesnar becoming Smackdown Exclusive.

[Gert T 0]

speaking of crap...Just where has Le Resistance been?

They jobbed to Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak on Heat a few weeks ago.

 

Maybe Grenier's getting punished or something.

So the tag team titles suffer as a result?

 

Who am I kidding? Does anyone even care anymore about a division that consists of two teams?

No, and in fact I want to reverse the thinking of how it was a shame the Raw tag titles were cut to Heat due to time. Since this will be a split PPV with only 3 hours. I could care less if Duds-Resistance is on the actual PPV or Heat.

[Guest The Old Me]

But the IC title wasn't just HANDED out.  That belt has been a farce ever since HHH got it.

Actually, the IC title WAS just handed out... to Pat Patterson. Unless you believe the Rio De Jeniro stuff. Also, the original WWWF World title was handed off to Buddy Rogers as well. He supposedly "won" his title in the same place as Patterson. Of course, he only had one defense against Bruno Sammartino and was beaten fast. That gave the title much more credibility.

While I am aware Pat "Won" the title in a fictional tournament, at least they CREATED fictional tourney for him to win, instead of a "boss" just handing him the title for no reason at all.

The storyline reason I think that Bischoff gave Trips that title was due to the fact Trips won the Number ONe contender's match the previous week on Raw...but was unable to get the title shot due to Lesnar becoming Smackdown Exclusive.

Then they should have said HHH won the belt last night in a 6 man tournament, or whatever. I have always viewed the Smackdown title as the legit title because of what happened on RAW.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Then they should have said HHH won the belt last night in a 6 man tournament, or whatever. I have always viewed the Smackdown title as the legit title because of what happened on RAW.

While it's true I too view the Smackdown Title (AKA The WWE Championship) as the legit one, I can still see the explaination behind the reasong for Trips getting the Raw Title (AKA the World Heavyweight Championship) like he did.

 

Plus the fact than in a way, he was the last to hold that belt before.

 

Still...KILL THAT BELT OFF AND MAKE ONE CHAMPION!

[Guest Retro Rob]

I don't care how old the titles are or how HHH "won" his.  At least HHH defends his title successfully without outside interference.  Booker T needs help from everyone under the sun and Christian needs his matches to be restarted a dozen times before going over.

HHH always "escapes", or get's himself DQ'ed to set up rematches, or uses his trusty phallic hammer.

Does he win the blowoffs or not? Booker and Christian have NEVER cleanly defended the IC Title. NOT ONCE. Therefore if HHH defended his title cleanly once, he is already a stronger champion that those two.

[Guest Army Eye]

You guys are so lame to still complain that the belt is ruined because it was handed out. No normal person cares any more. He has won title matches since then. Just pretend it WASN'T, and HHH's first title defense was actually a match for the vacant title, ok?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Off topic question slightly...but sorta on since last night was the PPV and he said he'll be on tonight...

 

Anyone have any pictures of McMahon's bleeding? They didn't put any up on the Vengeance website.

[Guest razazteca]

I don't care how old the titles are or how HHH "won" his.  At least HHH defends his title successfully without outside interference.  Booker T needs help from everyone under the sun and Christian needs his matches to be restarted a dozen times before going over.

HHH always "escapes", or get's himself DQ'ed to set up rematches, or uses his trusty phallic hammer.

Does he win the blowoffs or not? Booker and Christian have NEVER cleanly defended the IC Title. NOT ONCE. Therefore if HHH defended his title cleanly once, he is already a stronger champion that those two.

Randy Orton runs interference on alot of matches lately. As for the Christian title reign, well I liked it as he was building his character as an evil heel.....CHEAT TO WIN~. Booker T needs a good opponet who does not have any other angles going outside of the quest to be champion, the Test match did not help Booker T at all.

[Adam 0]

I really hope Shane returns tonight, he's the only McMahon I really would like to see on my TV.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

speaking of crap...Just where has Le Resistance been?

They jobbed to Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak on Heat a few weeks ago.

 

Maybe Grenier's getting punished or something.

So the tag team titles suffer as a result?

 

Who am I kidding? Does anyone even care anymore about a division that consists of two teams?

I actually liked that match, Jindrak looked GREAT in it, and did an amazing dropkickthat got him at least 5 feet in the air

 

Cade and the Frenchies are still useless

[Guest Trivia247]

best thing would be to get the tag titles off them until they can actually become a useful tag team.

[Guest Quik]

Wow, I'm actually home to watch Raw tonight... freaky.

[Adam 0]

I'd rather the Dudleys have the titles for a long period of time, they are the only established team left.

[Guest Choken One]

I'd rather they just kill off the World Tag Team Titles and send Dudleys to Smackdown and bring back the Hardcore title or something similar....

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Wow. I just realized that its almost time for RAW.

[Guest Choken One]

How many pages?

 

I'll say 33 when it's all said and done.

 

42 if Kane kills Vince.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I have the over/under at 25.

[Guest Choken One]

Nah...Last week went to 36 and this week we have vince to bitch about....

[Guest Askewniverse]

I'd rather they just kill off the World Tag Team Titles and send Dudleys to Smackdown and bring back the Hardcore title or something similar....

I think that the fans wouldn't even realize it if the World Tag Team Titles disappeared.

[Guest Choken One]

True...and just to be cute...have a Unification match to justify it.

 

but yeah no one will notice it disapeared the title or the dudleyz..

 

Truthfully...

 

The Dudz Vs TWGTT could be a GREAT old school tag match

[Guest Nevermortal]

True...and just to be cute...have a Unification match to justify it.

 

but yeah no one will notice it disapeared the title or the dudleyz..

 

Truthfully...

 

The Dudz Vs TWGTT could be a GREAT old school tag match

I agree.

 

I'd also like to see XXX v. TWGTT & AMW v. TWGTT.