Waiting until marriage......

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

That still doesn't give you the right to claim that a person is "empty."

[Guest SP-1]

She was merely saying that she thinks there's an inherent emptiness there. I don't think she was aiming it at anyone specific, man.

 

And I didn't mean for that to appear martyr-like. In the wake of Marney's little rant along with the other skirmishes where some people around here seem to have a thing against those who are vocal about their views, I've been increasingly agitated with it. Little more than that, and me wanting to clarify that, just as you suggested, I was going to go on being me and approaching things from that standpoint. It probably looked a little more heated than I meant it, heh.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

No, it looked like..

 

"Fine, persecute the Christian, NYYYAAAAAAAH."

[Guest SweetNSexyDiva]

AoA.... I didn't say you were empty.... Just that there has to be some sort of emptiness because it is important to have hope and believe in something. The world is so big and chaotic ... to have hope in only yourself is brutal. Can ya understand where I am coming from?

[Guest SP-1]

In all honesty, that seems like what tends to happen around here. Someone with a Christian stance is generally gone after fairly heavily. There are a precious few that actually discuss and then there are some who delve into sarcasm and near trolling tactics.

 

Now, the people on here that have taken the time to know me (Zack, CWM, BPP, etc.) will easily tell you that I've never beaten anyone over the head with my faith, never been forceful and that I'm actually a pretty cool guy to chat with. And that's usually enough for me. But every now and then the flaming and baiting do get annoying. If there's a purpose behind it other than the base fact that the person in question is a general Christian, then I don't mind. But more often than not, there isn't.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

AoA.... I didn't say you were empty.... Just that there has to be some sort of emptiness because it is important to have hope and believe in something. The world is so big and chaotic ... to have hope in only yourself is brutal. Can ya understand where I am coming from?

No, not really. I mean, I know I exist, and that I can rely on myself. I can't say the same about an alleged extraplanar supreme being...that space could be empty, I know I'm not. As for the world being big and chaotic, I'm not buying. It's an insignifigant fleck of dirt in space, universally speaking, and the most of it I'm going to have to deal with is a fraction of that, for maybe another 60 or 70 years if I'm lucky.

 

Knowing how brief that is in the grand scheme of things, it seems like it would be smart to make the most of it, rather than personally subscribe to a set of rules that someone else wrote, with the reward only coming after death.

[EricMM 0]

In all honesty, that seems like what tends to happen around here. Someone with a Christian stance is generally gone after fairly heavily. There are a precious few that actually discuss and then there are some who delve into sarcasm and near trolling tactics.

 

Haha you're funny SP.

 

Has it ever occured to you that I am Christian?

 

Has it ever occured to you that at least 50% of this board is most likely Christian?

 

Has it ever occured to you that maybe your "Christian stance" is not what's getting you "gone after," it's your constant passive-aggressive judging and belittling people. Face it, your god is not my God, and my God is the right god. I've told you before, someone taught you wrong when they taught you faith, and your ass-backwards quasi-fundamentalism is what gets you in trouble around here.

 

Not your Christianity.

[Ripper 0]

I would also like to point out that disagreeing and argueing/discussing something is not the same as attacking someone. SP, you seem to take it as a personal insult when someone doesn't agree with your views on things. You aren't attacked anymore than the resident A-Train mark is attacked for saying he is a great wrestler. Someone will come along and say he sucks, but you don't see them crying about how TSM doesn't allow them to have a opinion.

 

If you look at your first post in this thread, most of it was talking about how you don't expect anyone here to get it like you are on some higher plane than those who disagree. Bottomline, what these two did had nothing to do with the bible because what they did is not in the bible. There is nowhere in the book that calls hugging a sign of sexual impurity. They claimed to have derived their stance on biblical teachings and they didn't. Their beliefs are built upon extremely misinterpreted text that has been manipulated by someone that taught them. It is this type of interpretation of the BIble, the self proclaimed book of PARABLES that is dangerous.

 

No one is attacking you. THey are attacking your opinion which is the basis for every discussion that has ever happend on the face of this earth. In other words, if I worshipped free living, I would be just as fair as saying you are attacking my beliefs and have the same whoa is me attitude that you sometimes put in your post.

 

You are a cool poster and all, but sometimes you take things to the deep end and get called on it. Then we have to see the martyr complex that you seem to have. Maybe thats why you are taken to task for it so much.

[Guest SP-1]

No, I have no problem discussing things with you, Ripper. Or Eric, generally. There are several people that I have no problems with when it comes to discussing things from my faith-driven perspective. Even AoO and I generally get along well, even though we completely disagree with one another. I take none of that as an attack. But there are some around here who forego the discussion and jump right down your throat. There's a difference between defending myself and saying that I will continue on posting from my perspective, and having a complex that demands that I die (or in this case, be banned) for a specific cause. Martyrs die. I am in no way lumped in with those who have taken their faith that far, and have no reason to be. That's somewhat of a disgrace to them, though I'm sure it wasn't intended to be.

 

Committed? Yes.

 

Totally? Yes.

 

Martyr Complex? No. If you're going to go that route, pick one of the die-hard conservatives or liberals from CE and label them a martyr for their own cause because there's no difference between them arguing passionately from their stance and defending it, and me arguing passionately from my stance and defending it.

 

And, Eric, there's a difference between being lumped into the demographic of "professing Christian" and actually being a Christian. I find it funny that you go and concretely say that the way I do things is wrong, while trying to tell me that this is what I do to people here. If you say that you're a Christian, examine the word. CHRIST-ian. If Christ is in the word, what He said and did should be in what you do. Bookstore owners own bookstores. Accountants keep account of money. Christians claim the same God. I'm not condemning you, just pointing out that there's a difference between the people who mark themselves down as Christian and those who actually follow Christ. Not even saying it applies directly to you, just pointing it out because it appeared that someone simply saying that they are Christian is all that is needed.

 

How about this. Anyone who says that I have personally beat them over the head with my faith and/or beliefs, that I have demanded something of them, post why and post a quote from me as evidence.

Edited August 18, 2003 by SpiderPoet