Bored 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2003 Off on another tagent because I'm Bored but why are people now throwing Sammy Sosa out as an MVP candidate? He didn't do ANYTHING the first two months of the season and let's not forget the corked bat thing (no one I'm not saying he's corking now) which cost him seven games. It just feels like the media almost feels sorry for Sammy over how he was supposedly mistreated over the corked bat thing so now they have to hype him as an MVP candidate now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2003 Well, he has gone from NO output the beginning of the season to having 30 homeruns and he has energized the Cubbies back into the playoff race. I don't think he should be MVP, and he won't be. It's a two man race, Pujols or Bonds. Pick your horse. I pick Pujols. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteakGrowsOnUecker 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 I like Sosa a lot but he's not putting out enough offense. The Cubs are lucky to get 4 runs a game so he's not helping all that much. Bond's put up good numbers but when doesn't he? Its Pujols season. He's played good all year. And now he's on a 27 game hitting streak. I'm giving it to him for being the ebst all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Bond leads in HR's, slugging, On Base, Walks. The lineup isn't nearly at the level of the Cardnials. Bonds gets my vote. It's very close. Neither would be an undeserving choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Award winners. AL MVP-Ichiro NL MVP-Bonds AL CY Young-Loaiza NL CY Young-Gagne AL ROY-Berroa NL ROY-Webb AL MOY-Pena NL MOY-Alou AL Improved-Loaiza NL Improved-Lopez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Pujols should get it hands down, especially if he should somehow get the triple crown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted August 14, 2003 "NL CY Young-Gagne" If that happens I'm going sky diving without a parachute. God I do not want to go through an off season listening to how great Gagne is and he was the Cy Young winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Know I really hopes he wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 (edited) Sammy got on a hot streak at the right time and is putting up nice numbers right now. So he can be considered a MVP candidate. But I think everyone knows it's going to come down to Pujols or Bonds. I think Bonds is going to take another MVP award (would be number seven) unless Pujols wins the Triple Crown. Although not all the Triple Crown winners have won the MVP in the same season - Chuck Klein, Lou Gehrig, and Ted Williams twice didn't win MVP's in the same season they won the Triple Crown. Edited August 16, 2003 by phoenixrising Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Webb might be more solid than Willis but awards are part popularity contest, Gagne. If you think anyone other than D-Train is taking the NL ROY, you're crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 I think it has to be Pujols. He's been much more consistent this year than Sosa, who only seems to have caught fire once everyone was accusing him of being a cheater. Nice to see that motivates him more than helping his team win. I wouldn't argue overmuch with Bonds as the MVP, but I think Pujols is more deserving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 I think it has to be Pujols. He's been much more consistent this year than Sosa, who only seems to have caught fire once everyone was accusing him of being a cheater. Nice to see that motivates him more than helping his team win. I wouldn't argue overmuch with Bonds as the MVP, but I think Pujols is more deserving. I look at it this way: without Pujols fueling their offense, where would the Cardinals be, given their miserable pitching? At least the Giants would still be a decent team without Bonds. But the Cardinals without Pujols? Please. Pujols all the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Webb might be more solid than Willis but awards are part popularity contest, Gagne. If you think anyone other than D-Train is taking the NL ROY, you're crazy. I know. I'm just saying who I think should win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted August 14, 2003 In defense of Sammy Sosa -- though I'm not saying he should be MVP -- Miguel Tejada wasn't rocking anyone's world last year until the A's went on that 20-game winning streak. Now, Tejada wasn't as unproductive before the streak as Sosa was early this season, but it was during the last part of the season that Tejada secured the MVP award. If the Cubs make the playoffs, I'd have no problem with Sosa being in between 3rd and 5th in MVP voting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteakGrowsOnUecker 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Its a shame the A's waited so long to call up Rich Harden, from the minors. This kid is amazing. He's 3-1 with a 1.69 ERA in 32 Innings Pitched. He beat the Royals when they were still hot and his only loss came to the White Sox on Sunday. He had 8 strike outs in 5.0 I.P. in that game. Just amazing stuff. If he would have played more games this season he would have hands down won the AL ROY. I'm not going to say that Rich Harden had the potential to win the AL CY because Loazia was winning games on the White Sox when they were pure grabage this year. If the white sox wouldn't have struggled earlier in the year giving him 0-1 no decessions then he'd have even more wins Give it up to Rich Harden though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2003 I look at it this way: without Pujols fueling their offense, where would the Cardinals be, given their miserable pitching? At least the Giants would still be a decent team without Bonds. But the Cardinals without Pujols? Please. Pujols all the way. I would argue the exact opposite. Without Pujols, the Cards still have Edmonds, Renteria, and Rolen powering the offense. Without Bonds, the Giants' offense is crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteakGrowsOnUecker 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2003 Bonds isn't going to play for a few games because of he's going to visit his father who's ailing. If the Giants lose every game while he's gone then Bonds is the MVP and I'll change my vote from Pujols to Bonds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Bonds isn't going to play for a few games because of he's going to visit his father who's ailing. If the Giants lose every game while he's gone then Bonds is the MVP and I'll change my vote from Pujols to Bonds. One game so far and they managed to not get a single hit from the 3rd inning on. Oh and they lost, having only scored a single run. But you'd also have to take into account that Rich Aurillia and Ray Durham are on the DL and they're usually solid hitters, with Aurillia being top notch (usually) in a clutch. And the fact that Jesse "Useless Rookie who has yet to impress anyone and manages to walk every goddamn lead off hitter, while fellow rookie Jerome Williams has kicked ass" Foppert was pitching. Still though, they needed Bonds. I pretty much make it a point to never get my hopes up when anyone but Jason Schmidt is pitching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Gagne is not going to get the Cy young unless somehow he comes close to the saves record or breaks it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteakGrowsOnUecker 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Who would be the NL CY winner then? Here's the top 5 in wins, strikeouts, era, and whip Wins Russ Ortiz 17, Woody Williams 14, Hideo Nomo 13, Livan Hernandez 13, and Kevin Brown 12 Strikeouts Kerry Wood 201, Javier Vazquez 178, Mark Prior 170, Jason Schmidt 153, and Hideo Nomo 144 ERA Kevin Brown 2.28, Jason Schimdt 2.32, Brandon Webb 2.56, Mark Prior 2.65, and Miguel Batista 2.86 WHIP Jason Schimidt 0.95, Mark Prior 1.09, Kevin Brown 1.10, Brandon Webb 1.11, and Mark Redman/Woody Williams 1.15 From looking at the stats alone its between Jason Schimdt, Mark Prior, and Kevin Brown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 I'd imagine Smoltz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 16, 2003 I go with Pujols... Not just because of his stand up year but because MLB needs "new" blood and if Bonds wins again it just makes it look like "Oh it's same old thing again"... It's not really that important but it's another aspect... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 I go with Pujols... Not just because of his stand up year but because MLB needs "new" blood and if Bonds wins again it just makes it look like "Oh it's same old thing again"... It's not really that important but it's another aspect... Well I think that's why Zito beat out Pedro last year for A.L. Cy Young because Pedro can win it any year and wasn't like Zito wasn't deserving of the award. So I think the same scenerio will play out with Pujols and Bonds unless the Cardinals go into the tank the rest of the season Oh and my vote would actually be Smoltz for Cy Young and MVP but that's just me. Cy Young in the A.L. would be a lock for Esteban Loaiza at the moment if he wasn't Esteban Loaiza. He might just lose out on lack of name value which wouldn't be right. A.L. MVP...ummmm no clue at the moment and I guess it will be another Tejada situation this year with someone (and their team) getting red hot down the stretch to find a favorite for MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 16, 2003 The AL voters will just go "Eh...A-rod had good numbers..." and then people will be bitching cuz he isn't a winner and doesn't deserve it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 How is he not a winner? Because he doesn't have good teammates? He's made the playoffs 3 times, and he's a .340 hitter in the postseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Considering A-Rod isn't having as good a year as last season I seriously doubt he'll get major consideration this year. Now that I think about it Carlos Beltran might be my pick for A.L. MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2003 I like Ichiro for AL MVP. He's the catalyst for the Mariners and he makes the offense run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2003 Right now my pick is A-Rod again. 4th in the league in OPS while playing shortstop. 15 steals as well. When will people realize what a great player Rodriguez is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 17, 2003 we realize it but his Contract and his record is supposedly making him unworthy. Which is why Tejada got those those votes last year cuz he was on a winner... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2003 Right now my pick is A-Rod again. 4th in the league in OPS while playing shortstop. 15 steals as well. When will people realize what a great player Rodriguez is? You don't deserve the MVP if your on a last place team, period. It might not be his fault but I have a serious problem with a player from a non-contending team winning it like Andre Dawson in '87. PLENTY of people realize A-Rod is great and I don't think there is anyone who denies it. Besides there is an award for the best hitter in the game and its the Hank Aaron Award and if MLB would get their head out of their asses they'd actually make people think of it as a major award. A-Rod won it last year in the A.L. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
