Racism and the double standard

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

I surely didn't mean it to sound like there are more white racists than black ones. Sorry if it came across that way.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

By the way IDRM, I haven't ever heard Eminem or Bubba Sparx, hell even the BUTT of all white rapper jokes himself Vanilla Ice, Whitey Ford..., even if you go to metal/rap, Kid Rock, Fred Durst, I haven't heard any of these men say the word "nigga". I was just wondering what white rappers have you heard say "nigga" because unless I'm forgetting someone that about sums up all the white rappers I've came into contact with in my life.

You're deaf then.

[Big McLargeHuge 0]

Arizona is going to be more than 50% hispanic by the year 2007.

*gasp* Oh no! Seriously, what's the problem here? What's the fear? Are Hispanics gonna overrun the country or something?

 

Things change. Shit happens. Blah blah blah.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Things change? Shit happens? Have you seen these kids? I have no problem with the immigrants who come here to make a decent living, but the majority of the Hispanics in Arizona are illegals, who most of the time come here to sell drugs. I don't want to be racist or anything, but there was just a huge drug bust where 157 warrants were issued to Hispanics. If you don't want the stereotype to continue, stop fulfilling it.

 

The kids in question are the kids at school. The gangbangers who do nothing but start shit with everyone. These are the only Hispanics that I see around these parts.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

I don't want to be racist or anything

I love it when people say this.

[justsoyouknow 0]

+1, eh?

 

I haven't said anything that's incorrect here. Violent crime rates in the United States are huge compared to Canada's...if you factor out all minorities, they are just about equal.

 

Racism is ingrained in our culture. Again, if they continue to fulfill the stereotype, the stereotype will remain. When there's a freaking turqoise house on an all-white street, it sticks out like a sore thumb. When a lowrider comes bouncing down the street, it has a tendency to be easily seen. If that makes me racist, so be it.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

I haven't said anything that's incorrect here. Violent crime rates in the United States are huge compared to Canada's...if you factor out all minorities, they are just about equal.

Do you even read what you write?

[justsoyouknow 0]

If you take African-Americans and Mexicans out of the equation, the violent crime rate for the United States and Canada is nearly equal. Whites commit far less violent crimes than minorities. Numbers, they do not lie.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

If you take African-Americans and Mexicans out of the equation, the violent crime rate for the United States and Canada is nearly equal. Whites commit far less violent crimes than minorities. Numbers, they do not lie.

So, basing on what you said in earlier posts, you've found your justification for racism.

 

You're completely ignoring the root of the problem, and are basically saying it's the blacks/latinos/etc. committing crimes because that's just what they do. It's too late in the evening for me to start busting out the sociology, and I doubt you are intentionally being bigoted (at least I hope not), but you're waving around a bunch general figures as if that were all that needed to be said. This shit isn't black-and-white, man. You're taking the easy way out.

[justsoyouknow 0]

A very good friend of mine is Hispanic. His name is Rodolfo Bencomo. He's like my big brother, he's got my back for everything. We joke about racism and whatnot. I bust out the Hispanic stuff, he busts out the "cracker" stuff. He's always been there for me, and I appreciate everything that he's done for me.

 

But you cannot get away from the facts. Slavery has been a major part of every civilization on earth. It was also initially attempted with whites as the slaves, but that failed miserably, as the whites couldn't do the same amount of work. Do I get all uppity because whites were slaves once?

 

I'm not trying to be intentionally bigotted, it's just late and I haven't had much sleep lately. Little bit cranky, too. No excuse, but it'll have to do for now. As far as the situation not being black and white, I believe that Chris Rock summed it up best when talking about who was the most racist.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

A very good friend of mine is Hispanic. His name is Rodolfo Bencomo. He's like my big brother, he's got my back for everything. We joke about racism and whatnot. I bust out the Hispanic stuff, he busts out the "cracker" stuff. He's always been there for me, and I appreciate everything that he's done for me.

 

But you cannot get away from the facts. Slavery has been a major part of every civilization on earth. It was also initially attempted with whites as the slaves, but that failed miserably, as the whites couldn't do the same amount of work. Do I get all uppity because whites were slaves once?

 

As far as the situation not being black and white, I believe that Chris Rock summed it up best when talking about who was the most racist.

What does this have to do with anything? Proving to me that you don't hate Mexicans? I'm not accusing you of being flat-out racist--I don't know you well enough to say that--but you are spouting ignorance.

 

But you cannot get away from the facts. Slavery has been a major part of every civilization on earth. It was also initially attempted with whites as the slaves, but that failed miserably, as the whites couldn't do the same amount of work. Do I get all uppity because whites were slaves once?

 

What the fuck are you talking about? Again, this has nothing to do with what I was saying.

 

As far as the situation not being black and white, I believe that Chris Rock summed it up best when talking about who was the most racist.

 

When I said "this shit ain't black-and-white," I meant that you were taking an extremely closed-minded view of the subject. It (the phrase) has nothing to do with race. We could've been talking the meaning of poem. Good god.

 

I've had enough. Time to call it a night.

[justsoyouknow 0]

What keeps us apart? (Sources of the Fear)

All forms of bigotry, prejudice and stereotypes are essentially based on concepts, opinions, knowledge and memory. Specifically it is the way in which our brains process this information that causes much of our problems.

 

Memory Associations

 

There are several methods which can be used to memorize ideas and concepts. Typically people use repetition (cramming) to force an idea from their short-term memory into their long-term memory. But there are other methods which occur naturally. One of the most effective is by association, linking something that is unfamiliar conceptually to something that is familiar. (For example : Visualizing a shopping cart on your front porch may help you remember to get groceries on the way home...)

 

Stereotypes are essentially an association between two items, one which is known and one which is unknown. Because associations are a natural part of the way our minds and memories function there is no real way to avoid the formation of stereotypes, per se, and in and of themselves stereotypes are neither good nor bad, they just are.

 

The Paradigm Effect

 

The situation turns problematic when multiple and overlapping associations occur. Generally, people are more likely to form conceptual associations which are similar to associations which they already have. Familiar ideas are easier to accept and believe, they are re-affirming and supportive of a point of view. These ideas seem to almost Leap out at us. Conversely, concepts which are contrary to our already held ideas, concepts and associations become increasingly more and more difficult to fathom as time goes on. In some cases they can become physiologically "invisible" to a person. People literally can't comprehend or see them in their mind's eye.

 

Collections of association and concepts which enhance and support a particular point of view, are called Paradigms. The tendency for associations and concepts which are contrary to a persons current point of view to be ignored and discounted is called the Paradigm Effect. The impact of this effect has been documented throughout history. Scientist who simply and honestly looked at the facts like Galleleo and Copernicus where ostracized, intimidated and threatened for presenting new concepts and ideas which were outside the accepted Paradigm which was held by the "mainstream" of society (and church) of the day.

 

When people conceptualize about other people of various heritage and/or cultures ("Races" if you will) they quite naturally use associations and create stereotypes, which in turn become part of complex Paradigms. It is my view that Prejudice and bigotry are the result of the Paradigm Effect on Stereotypes...when facts and the truth concerning individual people are ignored in favor of the previously conceived group which they have been associated with.

 

The Paradigm Shift

 

The answer to racism therefore, is for individuals to form "open ended" Paradigms, which support what is called a Paradigm Shift, which is what occurs when a person (or persons) come to the realization that their current Paradigm is inadequate and/or inaccurate and they revise it by (finally) accepting and incorporating new information which had been previous ignored, or gone unrecognized.

 

Everyone forms associations in their mind, it's unavoidable since that is partially how our minds function. Everyone builds Paradigms from these associations.

 

Everyone.

 

But, we must not allow ourselves to simply rest on our own individual Paradigms, we must constantly seek to challenge them, especially when the Paradigms themselves are taken out of context. A Paradigm (or a simple stereotype) which applies to a particular group, may or may not necessarily have any validity when applied to any particular individual within that group.

 

If that is one of the first conceptual Paradigms that a person forms and learns, then that persons is essentially "innoculated" from bigotry and prejudice. But if it is not, then overriding their current Paradigm with this idea becomes increasingly difficult as time goes on and they become more and more entrenched in their particular point of view.

 

There is no way to guarantee which Paradigms any individual will form. But if we have a clearer picture of the problem, we can devise methodologies to help us reach the goal.

 

Unfortunately, there is no magic bullet to erasing racism, bigotry or prejudice. It will always be with us to some degree because it is a "natural" by-product of how we "nurture" knowledge.

 

It will always, to some extent, keep us apart.

 

 

 

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[The Metal Maniac 0]

It was also initially attempted with whites as the slaves, but that failed miserably, as the whites couldn't do the same amount of work.

 

Somehow, that just sounds wrong. I'd think the fact that white people tended to look at blacks as being closer to animals then people back when slavery was around had more to do with it. Also the fact that it was probably easier to get black people into slavery as, like was mentioned before, some Africans were selling slaves to the Europeans.

 

If you take African-Americans and Mexicans out of the equation, the violent crime rate for the United States and Canada is nearly equal.

 

Um, dude? You think that might have something to do with the fact that there's 1. Less people in Canada and B. Less weapons, due to our tighter gun laws? (And yes, I realize that, per capita, Canada has more registered firearms then the US - but the majority of those are hunting weapons if I'm not mistaken.)

 

I mean, I've never even SEEN a gun that wasn't in a store. I think that's probabaly one reason why there's a lot less violent crime around here...

[Big McLargeHuge 0]

Things change? Shit happens? Have you seen these kids? I have no problem with the immigrants who come here to make a decent living, but the majority of the Hispanics in Arizona are illegals, who most of the time come here to sell drugs. I don't want to be racist or anything, but there was just a huge drug bust where 157 warrants were issued to Hispanics. If you don't want the stereotype to continue, stop fulfilling it.

 

The kids in question are the kids at school. The gangbangers who do nothing but start shit with everyone. These are the only Hispanics that I see around these parts.

I AM Hispanic and I'm not a walking stereotype or charicature that you seem so concentrated on. My family came here in the 80s to avoid having our family and home ravaged by war and wouldn't you know it, that's how alot of them immigrants find themselves coming here. Not to sell drugs, not to rob 'poor little old white ladies' or other bullshit. It's the desire to support yourself/family/whatever in the safest environment. Fact is, the third world doesn't have as many opportunities to do that as America does.

 

The other thing is, the legals never get the attention that illegals/thugs/cholos/assholes get. And that will never change. And it pisses the shit out of me. I agree with you about attempting to stop stereotypes. But some of us just don't care, while others do try to progress the image of the Hispanic. It's pretty much that way with every race.

 

Would it be fair to say that because most reported school shootings are perpetrated by white kids, I should stereotype white people as mass murderers?

[Ravenbomb 0]

Would it be fair to say that because most reported school shootings are perpetrated by white kids, I should stereotype white people as mass murderers?

 

Absolutely

[EricMM 0]

As far as the Latinos go, when it comes to immigrants (especially the illegals) that causes a kind of immidiate situation where it's very hard to get a job with very little skills and language. This leads to crime, it's not exactly surprising. I mean hell, when the Irish came here in the 19th century they were as "bad" as you can say the latinos are now. They didn't speak the same language, they certainly didn't have any skills (being a frontier farmer required a gun and woodsman skills, as well as being something the irish were averse to considering their landlocked forced farming in Ireland) so they lived poor for a very very long time. Sure, they made more money here than they did in ireland, but they were still one of the most destitue groups of immigrants this country has seen.

 

You know what? It's not like that anymore. Immigration isn't easy, especially illegal immigration. While I will say that anyone who sneaks into this country deserves any hardships they get from breaking the law, you shouldn't be immediately surprised. Like I said, immigration usually leads to immediate poverty. Give it a few generations.

 

I mean people said the EXACT same thing about the Irish, Chinese, and so on whenever they tried to immigrate here.

 

I can't explain away the whole black crime thing the same way, so I won't.

 

But also, as McHuge stated, you notice the cholos out scaring you. You don't notice the person who isn't driving the low rider and smoking a blunt on his porch. You don't notice him, and you certainly don't remember him.

 

And I will make the statement: you are racist. You are not the kind of racist who goes out and kicks latinos in the teeth because you are not drunk and in a group. You are racist because you claim to speak only the documented proof, and nothing more. No, you don't have any hate in you. You're just explaining how they're just more violent and god, if they'd just go away the crime rate would DROP. And they just stick out, you know? Hey, I HAVE MINORITY FRIENDS!!! Even tho he's mexican I associate with him!!! You don't know me!

 

I swear the first thing a racist says is that they know people of an ethnicity. Like you have a card that says "I know a mexican" Or is he Dominican? Salvadorian? No, Mexican is pretty much ok for you, right? God, that whole knowing three black people thing doesn't make you not a racist, it means you catagorize your friends.

 

I don't have many black friends. I have a few coworkers I chill with, one really tight guy, but otherwise, mostly asian and white. Oh boo hoo. Get over it, I've never ever been prejudiced against someone for the color of their skin. It's so fucking stupid.

 

I am prejudiced against certain kinds of people, but that's because they are trying to act like the bangers and cons.

[Ripper 0]

If you take African-Americans and Mexicans out of the equation, the violent crime rate for the United States and Canada is nearly equal. Whites commit far less violent crimes than minorities. Numbers, they do not lie.

This is a straight up lie. No other way to say it. It is a fucking lie. Blacks and hispanics make up less than 20% of the population. Over 97% of crimes are commited against people of your own race. By your reasoning, basically every black and mexican person is killing and murdering each other. We should all be dead. By the numbers, Whites commit WAY more crimes than blacks and hispanics. By percentages, whites commit less. Get you numbers right before you start using it as fact.

 

As for the most of the bullshit that has been spewed in this thread. For some strange reason, the morons of the black race are somehow seen as our representatives but the morons of the white race are seen as morons. Jesse Jackson blames everything from the sunrise to soggy toast on racism, but he must be representing us black people. Pat Robinson says a couple of Supreme court Justices should die so they relegious groups can get more power, then he is seen as a idiot. They are both idiots and niether represent the feelings of their race. This "all black people always scream racism" is fucking ignorant.

 

You say blacks at walmart are assholes...you are in fucking walmart. Thats like me going to the Monster Truck show and saying all whites must be racist because they were. You saw some blacks screaming racism then one of two things are in action: 1: There really was racism 2: They are a bunch of whiney assholes. They are representatives of themselves, not of the race and to keep attaching these stigmas to a entire people is ignorant beyound belief.

 

White racist are called rednecks and such, yet black racist are called...well..black. How is that fair? Racist are racist. That is it. They are creatures of a entirely different thought process. Look at things the other way around and you will see how fucking stupid half of what some of you are saying is. If I encounter a bunch of racist white people, turn on the TV and see racist white people, is it then fair for me to say that most white people are racist? If I look at the mysoginy in alot of Rock, and country music is it fair to say that the entire genre of music is mysoginistic crap? Yet when it is the other way around, you get post like the ones in this thread.

 

Racism is everywhere. From both sides. But stop associating more racism with one side than the other because it is fucking stupid. There are no "hate whitey" classes in the "ghetto" as some of you think...just as their are no hate the "Blackies" classes in white neighborhoods.

 

And for the endless and stupid BET argument. BET came about in the 80's when black mucisian and shows had NO outlet on television. Outside of Lionell Richie and Michael Jackson, no black artist were shown on MTV. BET was a channel of necessity because the rest of television WAS WET. I can say that BET no longer has its usefulness as a channel as artist of all colors can get representation on television now, but I also understand not removing the channel that has nearly 30 years history now. White artist are seen on BET constantly now. That little argument is fucking stupid, has no legs to stand on and you should really let it go. And yes spicey, you can join me in hating how it stereotypes blacks....I hate that damn channel. But saying it's existance is proof of this huge double standard is bullshit.

[Ripper 0]

People say racism is a big thing in the United States. African Americans...wait no no no lets start there, there is no Mexican-Americans, Spanish-Americans, Indian-Americans, Europeon-Americans, hell we're not even the ONLY Americans, there is TWO HUGE pieces of land with the name American, the sooner people get that through their thick skull the better. We are all citizens of the United States of America Thats all we are. They call it the United States for TWO main reasons, obviously their are all these states that are united by land. The OTHER reason is also obvious, this ENTIRE country has always been made up of people from other lands. As far back as you want to go, Indians aren't even "native" to this land, it has been proven that they WALKED over here from Russia. Now that I got that out of the way let me continue.....

 

I was going to go into this long rant on why racism is such bullshit on both sides, but frankly I'm too tired. I also know though that if I don't post this now, I'll go to sleep, wake up and forget the thoughts entered my mind. That would then mean that I wouldn't be able to waste this valuable 5 mins of your time. So here is my exact point.

 

Darker skinned citizens of the united states want to SCREAM racism about everything. They get breaks in their taxes, in their jobs, in their education, in their goverment, hell SOME of them even get breaks in the justice system. On top of all THAT they get magazines, television stations, radio stations, ALL of these things FLAT OUT say BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION, in their music they use the word "nigger" or "nigga's". These things DON'T bother me, if a person can't afford to go to school lets help them, if a group of people have a high enough demand for their own form of entertainment, lets give it to them. Here is were my problem lays though.

 

If there is a movie that is made with ALL white guys in it, then its racism for not including a black guy, if we have a television station called WHITE ENTERTAINMENT, can you IMAGINE the backlash that would happen. In "rap" songs, you can call a white boy a "cracka", you can call a black man a "nigger" or "nigga" BUT if a white boy even thinks about calling a black man a "nigger" or "nigga" then he's the scum of the earth.

 

So if there is someone that explain to me why black men are the ones persecuted when WHITE guys get less chances now then BLACK guys, I'd really appreciate it. Why can we have all the double standards? Can somone tell me why its not ok for "white" guys to do all these things, but its OK for "black" guys to do all these things.

 

Overall: I'm not racist at all, infact I have many "black" friends, I love hip hop, I even watch *gasp*Black Entertainment Television*, but I was at the mall the other day and I was sitting down next to two "black men" they were speaking about something that I really had no interest in UNTIL he leaned over to his "black friend" and told him loud enough that I could hear him these exact words. "I'll holla at you anotha time, see this boy over here he's gonna try and peep on what I'm spill'n to ya, that ain't straight, ya dig? This shit I got to let you in on right here? This shit is straight brutha shit". Now how in the hell am I supposed to take this? What because I'm white I can't hear what their trying to say? That really pissed me off and made me realize that what he was saying was straight bullshit.

 

Sorry for the mindless post I'm sure you all can get the jest of it though, please get back at me and someone help explain this to me.

 

Lata All,

 

Stennick

And the African-Americans thing. LET IT THE FUCK GO!

 

Guess what. you aren't "white" either. More of a cream color. I'm not black. More of a brown color. You have never been "white" and I have never been "Black" so lets talk shit about this term to. Stop bitchn so fuckin much, jesus.

 

"If there is a movie that is made with ALL white guys in it, then its racism for not including a black guy, if we have a television station called WHITE ENTERTAINMENT, can you IMAGINE the backlash that would happen. In "rap" songs, you can call a white boy a "cracka", you can call a black man a "nigger" or "nigga" BUT if a white boy even thinks about calling a black man a "nigger" or "nigga" then he's the scum of the earth. "

 

There are movies, and TV shows that are all whites. And the only people that bitch about it are Jesse Jackson and others out to line their own pockets. If you think the rest of black america gives a shit, you are retarded.

 

What rap songs have you been listening to where they are calling white people cracka's. No one even brings up white people in rap...unless they call them white. Until you start showing examples you are just spouting off how blacks are getting over. And Nigger- has a history of being a preface to violence, murder, and show of disrepect when coming from a white person to a black person. Cracker- has a history of being a really bad comeback to someone calling you nigger. See the difference.

 

Why can blacks say and and whites can't. Well, first, like papcita, I don't like it either way. I think it is rather obvious why blacks can call each other a term that is suppose to insult you for being black and whites shouldn't.

 

And what oppertunities are blacks (7 % of the country) getting over whites (80% of the country) why don't you share that with me.

 

And I'm sorry, but "ya, dig" If he wasn't a 50 year old guy from a blazpolitation film, I find it hard to believe that you were around listening to two black guys using 30 year old slang.

 

You post does prove that the double standard does exist. That black morons some how represent us all and white morons are just stupid. A moron is a moron. CJ, Rendclaw, Papcita, myself and others on this board don't cry racism about everything...don't look for handouts as you act like most blacks do. And we are not the minority of our race. Stop attaching ignorace to a entire people because you met some of them that had their head up their asses.

[Guest Stennick]

This discussion is going to always be split right down the middle. I have a hard time believing "whites" make up 93? 97%? of the crimes in the united states? if I were a betting man (which I am) I would be "blacks" make up 35% of crimes, "Whites" make up 45% of crimes, and other races make up the remaining 20%. Thats how I'd break it down. There are not THAT many more whites than there are "blacks and hispanics" I bet there are more combined "hispanics and blacks" than there are "whites" maybe I'm wrong but I read a poll saying that hispanics are the fasting raising race in america, African Americans were up there too.

 

I think the "type" of crimes that are commited are totally different. Take Murder for example, I think "black murder" is more shootings, knifings, robbery things like that. I think "white murder is more mass murder, terroist, serial killings, MAYBE rapist.

 

Like I said though I think we'd be best to let this topic die, I just wanted to make sure some people viewed things the same way I did, some view them the same, some a little bit different, and some a lot different. Lets just let this topic die before we all get the wrong idea about each other.

[Ripper 0]

This discussion is going to always be split right down the middle. I have a hard time believing "whites" make up 93? 97%? of the crimes in the united states? if I were a betting man (which I am) I would be "blacks" make up 35% of crimes, "Whites" make up 45% of crimes, and other races make up the remaining 20%. Thats how I'd break it down. There are not THAT many more whites than there are "blacks and hispanics" I bet there are more combined "hispanics and blacks" than there are "whites" maybe I'm wrong but I read a poll saying that hispanics are the fasting raising race in america, African Americans were up there too.

 

I think the "type" of crimes that are commited are totally different. Take Murder for example, I think "black murder" is more shootings, knifings, robbery things like that. I think "white murder is more mass murder, terroist, serial killings, MAYBE rapist.

 

Like I said though I think we'd be best to let this topic die, I just wanted to make sure some people viewed things the same way I did, some view them the same, some a little bit different, and some a lot different. Lets just let this topic die before we all get the wrong idea about each other.

All I'm saying is do some research before using all these numbers and guesses that you are building completely off of stereotypes.

 

The number break down in this country is some where around 8% black, 11 percent Hispanic/Latino, 3 percent "other" and 78% white.

 

Most crimes are committed by whites. CRIMES OF ALL TYPES. Murder, robbery, rape...all of them. By percentage, more blacks commit crime (saying that of that 8 percent, you might have a 20% rate of criminals while in the white community it might be around 10-15%...numerically more whites commit crimes, minorities have a higher percentage). And given that crime is perportionate to social class, and minorities make up the largest percentage of lower class americans, that is a given. Make no mistake, in the lower income areas of Utah, there are white kids killing and robbing just as much as the worst areas in D.C.

 

Yes, this issue will be split down the middle but there is no reason for it to be. If everyone stops and thinks about things the other way around (if i were black/white would this be a fair assumption) then they would see how ridiculous it is to claim that any group is represented by the racist, ignorant bunch.

 

And don't get afraid about a discussion dude. that is the point of the board. I don't think anyone walked away pissed off about what was said on a message board. State your opinions and others will agree or disagree.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Are you 12 years old? Did you even bother to research this or are you really that dumb?

 

I bet there are more combined "hispanics and blacks" than there are "whites" maybe I'm wrong but I read a poll saying that hispanics are the fasting raising race in america, African Americans were up there too.

 

I took less than one minute on Google. Searched for "us population census by race." First link I click tooked me to Ameristat.org, which had several breakdowns of the US population according to the 2000 census.

 

Black population as of 2000: 35.4 million

Hispanic population as of 2000: 35.3 million

Total population as of 2000: 281 million

 

So, combined, hispanics and blacks make up one fourth of the US population. Way to go, slugger.

 

Edit: Damn, Ripper beat me to it. And he was nicer, too. More cowbell my ass.

[Guest Stennick]

I'm apolgize for make a broad statement like that, what I was really getting at though is just what the other guy had stated. That crime is basically split even among ALL races. I wasn't claiming to have any facts to back it up, it was a guesstimate. Thats all, I never claimed any fact to it.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Can't we all just get along?

 

Hands across AMerica baby!

[EricMM 0]

I'm not holding hands with tardos like Stennick and justsoyouknow.

 

On the other hand I guess I'll have to since they might be afraid of catching something from dem uppity minorities.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

You say blacks at walmart are assholes

 

No I didn't.

 

I said that some black people use the fact that they're black to explain away anything that goes bad in their lives.

 

I then gave an example.

 

There's a problem with that?

 

They are representatives of themselves, not of the race and to keep attaching these stigmas to a entire people is ignorant beyound belief.

 

When did I say "all blacks"?

 

I said "some". If you're going to try and call people out for being ignorant, the least you can do is not be ignorant to what I said.

[Ripper 0]

Well, some whites try to use their race they are getting screwed over by minorities. What the fuck that point prove.

 

Blah blah, some blacks say stupid shit...blah blah

 

You obviously said it to try and agree with that bunch of crap in the first post.

 

Unless you were ready to point out the dumbassery in the White race also, your point was to signal out blacks as trying to get over on their race. Otherwise you were just making a pointless comment.

 

And as neat of a job as you did in quoting my post, you jumped right on past the next sentence when I said SOME blacks scream racism and jumped about a paragraph or two to act like I called you out for saying all blacks were racist. Thats a neat editing job, though.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

You obviously said it to try and agree with that bunch of crap in the first post.

 

Well, DUH. That's why I said "I partly agree" to begin with.

 

your point was to signal out blacks as trying to get over on their race.

 

*dingdingding*

 

That WAS my point. Some black people use their race as an excuse. And for the record, I've never known a white person to say "It's because I'm white, isn't it?" Does that mean that they never do? No, but it's something I'm not experienced in, so I figured there was no point to mention it.

 

As for what I skipped over, did you mean this:

 

You saw some blacks screaming racism

 

In my eyes, that's not you saying that some blacks scream racism. That's you simply repeating what I stated. I skipped over it because I didn't feel it was relevant, as it was just you repeating me.

 

And also, I didn't try to act like you said I claimed all blacks were racist - I merely pointed out that I never ONCE made a reference to "all blacks". I used the word "some". As in, NOT ALL.

 

You're the one who made reference to the ENTIRE black race, not me.

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I grew up in a town where whites were THE minority. We stuck together for the most part, and we were often bullied and the school system itself seemed to usually be working against us.

 

One of my best friends is of mixed descent. Some of best friends are black. Hate only breeds if you let it.

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You obviously said it to try and agree with that bunch of crap in the first post.

 

Well, DUH. That's why I said "I partly agree" to begin with.

 

your point was to signal out blacks as trying to get over on their race.

 

*dingdingding*

 

That WAS my point. Some black people use their race as an excuse. And for the record, I've never known a white person to say "It's because I'm white, isn't it?" Does that mean that they never do? No, but it's something I'm not experienced in, so I figured there was no point to mention it.

 

As for what I skipped over, did you mean this:

 

You saw some blacks screaming racism

 

In my eyes, that's not you saying that some blacks scream racism. That's you simply repeating what I stated. I skipped over it because I didn't feel it was relevant, as it was just you repeating me.

 

And also, I didn't try to act like you said I claimed all blacks were racist - I merely pointed out that I never ONCE made a reference to "all blacks". I used the word "some". As in, NOT ALL.

 

You're the one who made reference to the ENTIRE black race, not me.

So what was the point of the story. Right now, the only point that you appeared to be making is that Blacks scream racism about everything. You can say some all you want, but when the preceeding post is about how blacks scream racism and you come in and say you agree, how do expect your post to be taken?

 

Most of my post was about the person who started the thread anyway, I just found your example to support his claims to be completely useless and pointless. The truth is some people are dumb. End of story. Black, white, any color, some are dumb. When you single out the black race as saying "Blacks do this blah blah blah", when it can just as easily and correctly attributed to the entire human species, then it comes off as singling out a race and trying to attribute those peoples actions to being a result of their race and not their own stupidity.

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So what was the point of the story. Right now, the only point that you appeared to be making is that Blacks scream racism about everything.

 

The point was this: Some black people, as the original poster stated, want to use their race as an excuse for everything. I wanted to state that I agreed with him on this fact (Because that's what people DO when there's a debate going on - they chime in with their opinion, whether they agree or not) and I thus proceeded to relate a story of personal experience to back up my claims. I mean, I COULD'VE just said "Some black people always scream racism", but that would've made me look silly for just throwing out a claim with nothing to support it.

 

You can say some all you want, but when the preceeding post is about how blacks scream racism and you come in and say you agree, how do expect your post to be taken?

 

I expect it to be taken for what *I* wrote, not what the preceding poster wrote.

 

When you single out the black race as saying "Blacks do this blah blah blah", when it can just as easily and correctly attributed to the entire human species, then it comes off as singling out a race and trying to attribute those peoples actions to being a result of their race and not their own stupidity.

 

Again, I don't see white people freaking at cops for arresting them "because they're white". Again, I'm not trying to say that they DON'T do it. But I DO see black people using their race as an excuse. A lot? No. Some? Yes.

 

And to re-state what I originally said - when these people STOP using race as an excuse (which they DO) and start looking at the things that actually cause these problems (Did that cop pull you over because you're black, or because you were speeding?) before they accuse anyone of anything, then we're all gonna be a lot better off.