Elm Street: The First Murders...

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

In Austin a week or so ago, Freddy vs. Jason star Robert Englund said there was a Freddy Krueger prequel script floating around at New Line titled Elm Street: The First Murders. Now, the Chicago Sun-Times has more on this.

 

"It takes a look at the crimes that caused the townspeople to burn Freddy alive in the first place. It intrigues me because I'm fascinated by the lives and motivations of serial killers," he tells the paper.

 

"Plus, I'd get to do the Freddy movie without the makeup," adds Englund.

 

Source: ComingSoon.net

 

 

I'm all for this, but I think the scene in the beginning of Freddy Vs Jason was good enough for me.

[Downhome 0]

If they decided to do it the right way, it could be one hell of a FILM. I've wanted it for years, so I really hope we get it. I loved the first scene showing Freddy before he became FREDDY in Vs., it was just so cool. Hell, it was one of my favorite parts of the entire movie.

 

As has been said here before, I also am not sure if Hollywood, or the viewing public, are ready for such a mainstream film with the topic that the film would have. It's one thing to show a little girl without eyes in Vs. done by a monster, it's another to have a real man to be killing children throughout a film.

 

I want it though, I'm 100% behind the idea.

 

It's going to happen, just like Vs. will now become a series of it's own. The current Vs. did way better than most thought it would do, and because of that, it's opened up the flood gates for all sorts of new stuff involving Freddy, Jason, and every other horror monster.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

If done right it would be the scariest film of the whole series.

 

Something tells me that we won't see him butchering little children though.

 

I once wrote that kind of thing into a script and had a kid about the age of 3 being hacked a part. My friend asked me why 3...and I said that I just wanted them to be old enough to know why they were screaming.

 

I really doubt the ratings people would let that slide.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

"Plus, I'd get to do the Freddy movie without the makeup," adds Englund.

He wears makeup? Kidding of course but without the makeup you can still see the resemblence.

[Downhome 0]

"Plus, I'd get to do the Freddy movie without the makeup," adds Englund.

He wears makeup? Kidding of course but without the makeup you can still see the resemblence.

I think that's the idea, seeing how all FREDDY is, is a burned up demonic version of himself with scars, heh.

[Nighthawk 0]

In one way I like this idea, and in another I don't. To do it right, it's going to have to be very different from what we've seen of Fred before. And it would be a good film. But it might ruin Freddy. People love him, but if we spend 90 minutes watching the guy, sans make up and powers, butchering children (and god knows what else), will that still be possible?

[Downhome 0]

In one way I like this idea, and in another I don't. To do it right, it's going to have to be very different from what we've seen of Fred before. And it would be a good film. But it might ruin Freddy. People love him, but if we spend 90 minutes watching the guy, sans make up and powers, butchering children (and god knows what else), will that still be possible?

I think it's possible.

 

Besides, I wish they'd make it so that we all DO end up hating him, turning him back into a true source of horror. Not someone that we all do not want to see, simply, someone that we'll love to hate and fear, and someone that we'll want to see be destroyed.

 

That's the Freddy I wish would come out of all of this. I want to fear him again, I want to love to hate him. He's been a comedic character for long enough.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Spoilers I guess. Hannibal is old though...and not worth seeing either way.

 

 

I hate that those are the options.

 

You're not supposed to like Freddy. I would LOVE a movie to come out and remind everyone that he's a bad guy.

 

It's shit like this that led to the end of Hannibal. For years I heard Hopkins say that people had turned Lecter into a pop icon instead of the killer he was supposed to be.

 

Then what do we get? Instead of chopping off that bitches hand to remind everyone what he is...he cuts his own off because he's a big bitch.

[Guest JMA]

I think it's possible.

 

Besides, I wish they'd make it so that we all DO end up hating him, turning him back into a true source of horror. Not someone that we all do not want to see, simply, someone that we'll love to hate and fear, and someone that we'll want to see be destroyed.

 

That's the Freddy I wish would come out of all of this. I want to fear him again, I want to love to hate him. He's been a comedic character for long enough.

Agreed. You're not supposed to laugh WITH Freddy. He gets an almost sexual feeling from killing CHILDREN.

[Downhome 0]

Thank God that others agree with me about Freddy, and also Hannibal Lector seeing that I feel the exact same way about him.

 

I know I'm no longer a ten year old child, but I want to fear these guys in the film, I want to experiance horror and suspense. If I wanted to laugh or whatever, I'd go watch a different film.

 

In The Ring, I fully was in fear of Samara. Call me a pussy or whatever, but that was a character I really feared, I love to hate that character. Hell, I think that even Freddy in original NOES (I haven't watched the second or third lately, so I can't comment on that really) and in New Nightmare were to be truly feared for the most part.

 

I know that NOES and FT13th have turned into "fun" films, but I want to fear them again.

 

As for the Vs. series, they can do what they want with it seeing how I mark out for them all being in the same film. For a prequel to Freddy though, it MUST induce fear in the viewers.

[Guest El Satanico]

If done properly it would be a great film.

 

I have my doubts that any major American studio has the balls to do it properly. I mean hell they don't even have the balls to release a Region 1 DVD of Battle Royale.

[Nighthawk 0]

Yes, fearing Freddy is a good thing for film, but Freddy has become more than a movie character by now. We've already got at least 6 movies of the funny Freddy. I grew up with that Freddy and I like him. Maybe I'm in the minority there. If there's a way to split the difference, then I'm all for it.

[Guest El Satanico]

I also like funny Freddy, but I'd love to see pure evil Freddy again.

[Guest JMA]

How about having Freddy tell jokes while gutting ten year-olds? After all, most of his jokes come from inflicting pain on others.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I could probably buy that Freddy just slipped into a deeper psychotic state after growing used to his limitless powers and started having fun with the freedom of killing at will.

 

I'd rather the pre-burn Freddy be more slow, methodical and concetrated on his work.

[Downhome 0]

By the way, I don't care if Freddy tosses out a wise crack here and there. However, instead of lauging at it, I'd rather it be presented in a way to where I am purely angry and afraid of him and then say something like...

 

..."How dare that mother fucking bastard say something as sick as that!"

[Downhome 0]

I'd rather the pre-burn Freddy be more slow, methodical and concetrated on his work.

I want that also, and from the looks of that small scene at the begining of Vs., it looks to be the sort of Freddy we'll get.

 

My only question about the prequel, is just how will they show his transformation? What could they do at the end of the film that would be shocking, a suprise, or anything like that. Or would they just figure that everyone will be pleased by just seeing it period.

[Nighthawk 0]

Remember also that Freddy had a wife and young daughter during that time, so there's plenty to work with there. I think maybe if the focus is kept more on Fred Krueger the man, his family and history, and not so much on the actual crimes, I'd be happier with it.

 

As for the transformation, there was a whole arrest, trial and eventual release we've never seen, that can serve as the climax and the burning can be more of an epilogue.

[Guest Lethargic]

One thing I hope is that if they do this, they bring in a real director instead of Ronny Yu. Yu is good at what he does, high concept horror/action wackiness. But a story like this seems a lot more psychological than FX driven horror. I almost picture a Freddy prequel being something more like Henry or Confessions of a Serial Killer than a Elm Street movie and would rather have a director that has record of being able to do movies like that behind the camera.

[NoCalMike 0]

I think this movie could be great, but I question whether MAINSTREAM audiences will enjoy seeing "freddy krueger" without his famous powers. I think it would be great though.

[Guest El Satanico]

If this movie happens I don't think they should show human Freddy transformation into demonic Freddy. We don't need to be shown how.

 

Elm Street: The First Murders should only be about Freddy Krueger the man.

 

I honestly never thought about them not showing the actual crimes. They really wouldn't need to show us Freddy slicing up little girls.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Yes they do.

 

Freddy the character has moved so far away from scary or even percieved as evil that it wouldn't work without showing it.

 

What you'd have that way is everyone who sees it being pissed at how boring it was.

 

Slice em up and remind people that he's not the good guy.

[Guest El Satanico]

They don't need to show us graphic footage of him slicing up young girls to make him scary or remind people that he's evil. I'm not saying ignore the murders, just that they don't need to show the act.

 

There's plenty of ways to portray evil without showing graphic murders.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Not to the crowd that's going to be buying tickets to Elm Street: The first Murders.

 

It says MURDERS right there in the title.

 

Slice em up.

[Nighthawk 0]

This is America though, they won't show it. Like Satanico said, they won't even release Battle Royale.

We already know he beat his wife and was abusive to his kid. People hate that. In Freddy's Dead, the turning point was when his wife went into the basement and found his trophies and tools and everything. Keep the movie pretty low key and psychological, then have that happen and assualt the audience will a visceral display of brutality, throw in some flashbacks of little girls screaming and Freddy laughing at them and so forth. It could work. The way they promote it is key too.

[Guest El Satanico]

The only way we will get this movie made properly is without graphic footage of young girls getting sliced up.

 

They can still do the murders and do the old horror trick of showing the actual act by way of shadows and sound.

 

 

EDIT: What idrm said

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

It's time to carve up the little children though.

 

I mean...it's time!

[Guest El Satanico]

Yes...it is time...but we must rely on Japan for such movies.

 

Damn America's Religous Right...bunch of Gore and Sex Nazi's they are.

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

1. Seems the Freddy/Jason success has put the sequel/prequel rumor mill into fucking overdrive.

 

2. Kids being killed in movies = a big Hollywood no-no.

 

3. This is actually the only idea I've read that has promise. Unfortunately, the only way it could be done well is to have it be a realistic, psychological, serial killer thriller. But Freddy's fans won't go for that and'll leave the theaters bitching louder than Jim Carrey fans after they saw The Truman Show or Adam Sandler fans after seeing Punch-Drunk Love.

 

They don't want to think. They want to see Savini-ish gore, Troma-inspired dialogue and 10-gallon buckets of fake blood splashed about every 10 minutes. Sure, it'd kill what the movie was supposed to be about, but what do they care?

 

Great idea if they don't dumb it down, and I'd surely be in line to see it. But the fact of the matter is, they WILL dumb it down if it's ever made and everything that would entice me to see it will be left on the cutting room floor or written out. So you'll just have another dumbass movie that'll gross $40 milllion the opening weekend even though it sucks ass and they'll sequelize the fuck out of it until they kill the franchise or make the next big dream movie for all you geeks to get excited about and go see 10 years from now.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"3. This is actually the only idea I've read that has promise. Unfortunately, the only way it could be done well is to have it be a realistic, psychological, serial killer thriller. But Freddy's fans won't go for that and'll leave the theaters bitching louder than Jim Carrey fans after they saw The Truman Show or Adam Sandler fans after seeing Punch-Drunk Love."

 

This is what I was trying to say.