The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Oh...and if 29 is old... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Yes. The lesson is cut our team captains. Oh yes and the other lesson is..."Be a team player and take a damn pay cut, or play somewhere else you aging overrated has-been" I'm not bitter at all. Is it his fault that they offered him that contract and then couldn't manage the cap? I wouldn't take a pay cut when I sit and watch them pay all that money to Colvin and then take on Ted Washington's salary. Maybe he wouldnt have been the guy they wanted to re-structure if he was actually earning his money? 0 Interceptions 0 Forced Fumbles 0 Sacks Only good thing he did last year was his 90+ tackles which was only due to RB's blowing by the crap-O D-line last year. Lawyer was a great safety, and is still a GOOD one, but not worth 6 million anymore. If you want to win championships you need to have players who are willing to take some for the team and allow the team to bring in MORE talent. In the long run the Pats will benefit from the release of Milloy. Like now being able to re-sign a guy like Damien Woody to a long term deal this year(last year of his current deal. Look at Ted Johnson, Willy Mcginest, Tom Brady etc. They all accepted pay cuts to help the team afford more talent so they could remain competitive in a very strong division...cept the Jets of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 3, 2003 In the NFL, 29 is on the edge of being old. After the next season or two he'll be an old man in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted September 3, 2003 I doubt Tampa would go out of their way to sign him unless he'd sign with them for far below his market value. Tampa could have signed him for the price he was offering. If they were willing to do it for Emmit, Milloy would be no different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 In the NFL, 29 is on the edge of being old. After the next season or two he'll be an old man in the NFL. Exactly, and like I said earlier look at his numbers. He has been declining for a while now. Numbers aren't everything either, don't get me wrong there. I just don't get all depressed and bummed out about the upcoming season when Lawyer Milloy gets axed for not being a team player. Harrisson is just as good as milloy, albeit a bit old as well, and whomever takes over af the other Safety position will be no worse than the INCREDIBLY overrated Tebucky jones. So basically this team is about even at the Safety position as they were last season. With the Insane upgrades of Colvin, Warren, and Washington...and the imminent emergence of Seymour with that supporting cast, The Patriots still have one of the best overall Defensive teams in the NFL. THAT means alot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 3, 2003 I doubt Tampa would go out of their way to sign him unless he'd sign with them for far below his market value. Tampa could have signed him for the price he was offering. If they were willing to do it for Emmit, Milloy would be no different. If Tampa was offering what Emmit wanted he wouldn't be in Arizona. Tampa offered the market value, but Emmitt won't admit he's not worth as much as he once was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 I heard all this about Bledsoe last year...then he made the pro bowl and broke all the Bills passing records. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Bledsoe leaving didn't hurt the Patriots...I'm sure that's the only aspect Patriot fans care about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 That's not what he's saying though. The talk now is "Milloy is too old and declining" same thing I heard about Drew last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Yes, but what he's ultimately saying is that Milloy leaving won't hurt New England. Which is what they were saying with the Bledsoe stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 No... what he's ultimitly saying is "I don't care that we lost this player...they are poopy now. Therefore I justify this incredibly dumb move by mocking his poopiness!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 lol. When Bledsoe left I was happy. Why? Because Bledsoe has poor decision making in important games. Lots of people like to look back at the Steelers game in the playoffs in 2001. Bledsoe came in when Brady had an injury, and threw a nice TD pass. Well these people seem to think that without that happening the Pats would have lost that game. What they never mention was the near giveaway Bledsoe had because he got forced to make a decision too quickly. He lobbed the ball up for grabs where ANYONE could have picked it off. Luckily for him it fell to the ground, but still...he ALMOST cost the Patriots that game. Bledsoe is a fine QB, but not a great one because of that lack of quick thinking. Numbers are nice for Drew, except for the Int's of course. Therefore Drew leaving New England had a POSITIVE effect on the Patriots. Milloy leaving New England will have NO effect on the Patriots. That is my statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fazzle 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Bledsoe is a fine QB, but not a great one because of that lack of quick thinking. Numbers are nice for Drew, except for the Int's of course. Drew only threw one more INT than Brady last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted September 4, 2003 It didn't hurt the Pats to dump Bledsoe cause they have Brady. Losing Milloy will hurt because either they replace him with Harrison (who is currently the old guy Milloy will be in 2-3 years), or leave Harrison at FS and put some scrub in Milloy's spot. And the Bucs don't need Milloy because they have Lynch. The reason they tried to get Emmitt is cause their RB's are god awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Pittman sucks, but he's still better than Emmitt. They needed an RB because Pittman might go to jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Pittman sucks, but he's still better than Emmitt. They needed an RB because Pittman might go to jail. Gruden really likes Thomas Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 4, 2003 And Thomas Jones played well in the preseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 You're right. Although it wouldn't be the first time a RB has found sucess after leaving Arizona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Gruden also likes Rison and Ricky Dudley. Clearly Jones has talent or he wouldn't have been picked so high, but he hasn't done anything in the past so I wouldn't count on him. Interesting to see how both teams deal with this sudden curveball when the play Sunday. Will the Bills play Milloy with little knowledge of thier scheme because of his knowledge of the Pats? And will the Pats learn from the Super Bowl and at least come up with some new audibles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 No... what he's ultimitly saying is "I don't care that we lost this player...they are poopy now. Therefore I justify this incredibly dumb move by mocking his poopiness!" no, what he's ultimately saying is that Milloy got paid a huge amount of money for not producing much on the field. If you asked every GM in the league who'd they'd prefer - Milloy or Harrison - my guess is that 75% of them would choose Harrison. Last year, Harrison had more sacks, forced more fumbles had more picks, defended more passes and only had about 3 less tacles. And is only 13 months older. Is Milloy better than the youngsters that will line up next to Harrison this year? That's a big yes. But is a Harrison/Harris combo better than Milloy/Jones was at the start of last year. That's a bigger yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ecto Cooler Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Interesting to see how both teams deal with this sudden curveball when the play Sunday. Will the Bills play Milloy with little knowledge of thier scheme because of his knowledge of the Pats? He's not even on the depth-chart yet. He'll most likely start at free safety as soon as he gets acquainted (at least a month). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 No... what he's ultimitly saying is "I don't care that we lost this player...they are poopy now. Therefore I justify this incredibly dumb move by mocking his poopiness!" no, what he's ultimately saying is that Milloy got paid a huge amount of money for not producing much on the field. If you asked every GM in the league who'd they'd prefer - Milloy or Harrison - my guess is that 75% of them would choose Harrison. Last year, Harrison had more sacks, forced more fumbles had more picks, defended more passes and only had about 3 less tacles. And is only 13 months older. Is Milloy better than the youngsters that will line up next to Harrison this year? That's a big yes. But is a Harrison/Harris combo better than Milloy/Jones was at the start of last year. That's a bigger yes. I guarantee you that not 1 would choose Harrison. Football isn't baseball and it's not about #s. Harrison was used in his D last year the same wat that Milloy had been used for most of his career...allowing him to be a playmaker. Last year the Pats D (which was terrible by the way) dropped Milloy yards back of his natural position to play a straight safety spot...which leads to a lack of opportunity as he was used as a stop gap to keep teams from breaking big plays...a necessity since the D couldn't stop anyone. Any GM that knows anything can tell you that Harrisson (for all these "Milloy lost step" rumor") has lost about 5 steps...and if they are going to use him like they did Milloy last year he'll be even less productive. Systems make players, that's what Belichek is good at. Last year the D blew ass and the system took Milloy out of the game and into a last line of defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 One way or another, half of us will be eating crow each week this season, starting this Sunday. Either Harrison will play big, or Milloy will. I doubt both will, and I doubt neither will. One thing that I'll miss about having Milloy play for the good guys is his penchance for head-hunting. Watching him fly at a vulnerable player with a head first hit if fine when he's hitting someone on THE OTHER TEAM but I'm gong to cringe the first time he lines one up against Troy Brown. And I WICKED disagree that not one would choose Harrison over Milloy. Both got mad attention when they were available on the open market. Both are good safeties. I'm just not shedding any tears over having to cut Milloy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 If I had the choice to either have the combo of Harrisson/Harris, and have Colvin and Washington on my team...or having Milloy/Harris, amd not having Colvin and Washington on my team...I would take the Harrisson, Harris, Colvin, Washington set ANYDAY. THAT is what it came down to with the Patriots. Fact is they couldnt keep Milloy at his current salary without cutting some other needed player. When the rosters were set after the final pre-season game, they were AT the limit of the salary cap. On monday this week, there was the addition of other complicated salary crap that I am not getting into that put New England OVER the salary cap. That is why they wanted to cut some pay from Milloy to make it under the cap limit. When Milloy continued to refuse to do so as he has done in the past, Bellichick cut him outright. Thus bringing his team under the limit, AND sending a message to fellow overpaid teammate Ty Law(who is now thinking twice about not renegotiating his deal). Fact is they can still win, and arent losing much with the Harrisson signing(they signed him in case this happened in the first place) so the release of Milloy doesnt hurt the Patriots as much as some people want to believe. Now the signing for Buffalo is HUGE for that team. They don't have anything even close to Milloy's talent in their secondary and he is a monumental upgrade. Summary: BIG HUGE Gain for Buffalo, Minor loss for New England. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 If they hadn't signed Washington would they have been able to keep Milloy? And was Milloy not willing to renegotiate or just not willing to resign for what they were throwing at him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 The red flag with Milloy went up when he changed agents to Carl Poston...who is notorious for not taking pay cuts. His other NE player is Ty Law...who I believe also turned down a pay cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 If he was completely unwilling then they should have let him go if necessary. No problem with that. If Ted Washington is what cost them Lawyer Milloy they are going to come to regret that decision. Ted Washington is worthless, he will play 20 plays a game max and be dead by the fourth quarter. Especially since not only do they lose Milloy, but Washington certainly isn't worth the 4 million they are going to be penalized next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 I don't understand how a player is at fault for not wanting to change a contract that he agreed to with the team. If the team planned better players wouldn't be asked to do such a thing. IT'S A CONTRACT!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 I don't understand how a player is at fault for not wanting to change a contract that he agreed to with the team. If the team planned better players wouldn't be asked to do such a thing. IT'S A CONTRACT!!!! Contracts only mean something for the first year or two...after that there are always changes/releases. Thats the best part about the NFL. Washington on this team is WAY more valuable than milloy on this team. Washington is there to stop the run, which he will do very effectively for 30 plays a game, maybe more. People like to underestimate his talents and abilities because he is over 400lbs(listed at 370 I know but cmon). My whole point is that the Patriots Defense got much better in this offseason than they were last year. Milloy/Jones isnt much better than Harrison/Harris. Jones was insane overated IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 I don't understand how a player is at fault for not wanting to change a contract that he agreed to with the team. If the team planned better players wouldn't be asked to do such a thing. IT'S A CONTRACT!!!! Especially in the NFL where they will release you at the drop of a dime. Speaking of which...is Jason Sehorn done now or did someone pick him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
