Austin / Flair in 2002

[Guest Anglesault]

I think they were foricing Austin out way before he left. I'm still not following the logic of being booked to job to AlkaHall in the lower midcard of Wrestlemania.

To continue the feud and eventually build it up to when Austin finally wins, it is actually a big deal?

 

That was one of the main problems with the nWo. It never got blown off. The nWo just eventually collapsed in 1998, then re-formed, then collapsed, then re-formed as nWo 2002, then morphed into nWo Jarrett/Harris Twins, then collapsed, then re-formed in WWE, then got disbanded by Vince in an interview.

Scott Hall wasn't gonna stay on the wagon. You knew it, I knew it, VINCE knew it. They were so worried that he would be gone in less than a month that Nash wasn't given a Mania match.

 

That in mind, NO FUCKING WAY should one of the top two stars in the company job to a drunk that everyone and their mother knew would be gone within the month.

[JasonX 0]

I think they were foricing Austin out way before he left. I'm still not following the logic of being booked to job to AlkaHall in the lower midcard of Wrestlemania.

To continue the feud and eventually build it up to when Austin finally wins, it is actually a big deal?

 

That was one of the main problems with the nWo. It never got blown off. The nWo just eventually collapsed in 1998, then re-formed, then collapsed, then re-formed as nWo 2002, then morphed into nWo Jarrett/Harris Twins, then collapsed, then re-formed in WWE, then got disbanded by Vince in an interview.

The "NWO had no blow-off" thing is really a big urban myth. The entire angle was blown off in 1999's Slamboree. It had DDP winning the World Title and crippling Hogan in the process, sending Hogan away for several months so that he could come back as a babyface that fall.

 

It also had Nash, after spending months ducking Golberg after having Scott Hall taser him in order to beat him and the whole fingerpoke of doom debacle, getting the crap beaten out of him by Golberg....

[bob_barron 0]

I think you mean Spring Stampede 99-

 

That's where they did the injury angle with Hogan and Goldberg makes Nash his bitch.

[JasonX 0]

Well as long as they weren't punking him out

In hindsight it was worse, especially since Brock disappeared until the very end of the show (after HHH and UT took over the main event for what was hyped as a "who gets to make Brock their bitch and get the undisputed belt off the worthless sack of shit Lesner") to announce he was leaving for SD.

 

Essentially the WWE said that Brock was not worth anything as a wrestler and that UT and HHH are the "real stars" you are supposed to want to see.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I think they were foricing Austin out way before he left. I'm still not following the logic of being booked to job to AlkaHall in the lower midcard of Wrestlemania.

To continue the feud and eventually build it up to when Austin finally wins, it is actually a big deal?

 

That was one of the main problems with the nWo. It never got blown off. The nWo just eventually collapsed in 1998, then re-formed, then collapsed, then re-formed as nWo 2002, then morphed into nWo Jarrett/Harris Twins, then collapsed, then re-formed in WWE, then got disbanded by Vince in an interview.

The "NWO had no blow-off" thing is really a big urban myth. The entire angle was blown off in 1999's Slamboree. It had DDP winning the World Title and crippling Hogan in the process, sending Hogan away for several months so that he could come back as a babyface that fall.

 

It also had Nash, after spending months ducking Golberg after having Scott Hall taser him in order to beat him and the whole fingerpoke of doom debacle, getting the crap beaten out of him by Golberg....

I think the blowoff should have been Starrcade 1997. My idear:

 

 

As a one-year anniversary gift, the NWO buys Hogan a bonus belt called the nWo championship. It turns out that the belt's use is that when Luger wins the belt around Road Wild, he unwittingly signed a match for the worthless NWO belt as opposed to the World Heavyweight Championship. Dumbshit Luger. This way, Hogan's reign as WCW champ continues, and he later wins the other belt back anyway.

 

Sting is a-hangin' in the rafters, and is pissed off about how Luger is mocked. He finally breaks his silence, and challenges Hogan. Hogan agrees, on the stipulation that Sting must defeat every active member of the New World Order to earn a shot. One loss and the shot must be forfeited. Sting embarks on this task, systematically dismantling the B-Team, Japan Team, up to Buff, Savage, and finally the Outsiders. When he reaches his final match with Scott Hall, ever-clever Kevin Nash lightly taps Hall with a chair, disqualifying Sting and giving the NWO a win.

 

J.J. Dillon comes out to contest the decision. He says he has had all he can stand of the NWO, and says that if Sting is granted his shot and loses, he will relinquish control of WCW to DiBiase and the NWO if Sting loses. DiBiase ups the ante, saying that if Hogan loses, he, as the official money man, will formally dissolve the NWO upon a Hogan loss. THe match is signed.

 

Building up to Starrcade, Hogan gets the better of Sting in various confrontations. Before the show, Hogan and some NWO cronies jump Sting. As he recovers, he mumbles to himself about things like desparate times calling for desparate measures, and breaking out, and other drivel.

 

Hogan enters first, and as the Crow music plays, the NWO laughs about the injured Sting. After the Crow music fades out, Man Called Sting plays, as Sting comes out in trenchcoat with the bat, and removes a mask resembling his facepaint and long hair to reveal the classic Stinger, who goes on to dismantle Hogan from bell to bell.

 

The next night, the NWo is dismantled, with most members being suspended, others kept because they held titles, and Hogan being "fired." Later, it is revealed that DiBiase conspired with WCW because he knew the NWO was on the downturn and he needed to cut his losses.

[Tawren 0]

That would have been a good blow-off, but what they did was better. I mean, come on, having a contriversial finish, holding up the title for months, having Sting win a rematch with another contriversial finish, then hold the belt for two months before losing it to Randy Savage was much better.

 

Oh wait...

[Just call me Dan 0]

Something tells me the nWo will return and continue to get ruined. After all, the red and black Wolfpac never surfaced on WWE TV.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Didn't HHH and Taker both punk Brock out the night after Summerslam??

 

Well, I do remember HHH talking shit about Brock after he left RAW.

 

"Brock Lesnar tucked his tail in between his legs-uh", etc.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

As an aside, Austin asked to work with Eddie and Benoit....no one forced him. Vince let his work with Eddie because he was the only hot heel at the time. They wanted to do almost anything to appease Austin's grumpy demands.

[Fökai 0]

Thankfully, we now have THREE different stories on who Austin asked to work with / was forced as punishment to work with/ whatever the hell the WWE was thinking at the time.

 

This has blissfully generated into a "paint Austin in the worst light" thread.

[Guest Anglesault]

They wanted to do almost anything to appease Austin's grumpy demands.

Mania seems to suggest otherwise.

[KTID 0]

Wondering where JasonX got those supposed plans.

 

 

We've already established that he made them up.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

Wondering where JasonX got those supposed plans.

 

 

We've already established that he made them up.

Oh, I don't doubt it. I'm just holding out to hear him admit it.

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

Banky is the only person smart enough to mention that Austin REQUESTED working an angle with Eddie, not a force job. He got pissed off because of the Brock thing.

 

Austin was probably going to return the favor of losing to Brock by costing Eddie his match w/ RVD, to set up KOTR.

 

But alas, that was not to be.

[Guest Redhawk]

Don't you just wanna go up to a wrestler one time and say, "IT'S A FUCKING TV SHOW!! YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUAL LOSE ANYTHING IF YOU LOSE A MATCH!!! PEOPLE WON'T THINK YOU'RE WEAK IF YOU LOSE EVERY NOW AND THEN!!!"

 

I'd go for Undertaker first, then Triple H, then Vince and Shane.

[Just call me Dan 0]

It's a fucking TV show? Wow, I'm not even going to comment on that. Next time you go and take bumps night in and night out, maybe you'll understand what a high regad it is to be on top of the greatest wrestling promotion in the world.

[Guest Redhawk]

It is a TV show, they are actors, and they are playing TV characters. That's all there is to it, and to say they're much more than that is pretty stupid. Granted, it's an extremely physical form of acting, but it's acting nonetheless, and I don't need to take any bumps to realize that.

 

This isn't football or another real sport where the wins and losses mean anything or where your merit is judged on wins and losses. If Steve Austin the TV character loses a match, how is Steve Williams the real person affected? Not much. With a creative team, anyone who has to "look strong" can do so, whether or not they actually win the match or not.

 

Actors play characters who "lose" all the time, but they can still avoid looking weak given good character development and strong writing. Look at Al Pacino in "Scarface." Tony Montana died at the end (which is definitely worse than losing a wrestling match) but does anyone think he looked weak? Of course not. Most of the Corleone family died in the "Godfather" series, but is anyone saying they looked weak? Nope.

 

Steve Williams' "Steve Austin" character and Mark Callous' "Undertaker" character can afford to lose sometimes. They can afford to lose more than sometimes. But the real men behind the characters are paranoid of looking weak and they've mistakenly bought into the idea that the match results mean anything. So now they won't even give an inch to make anyone else look strong, let alone actually let someone else pin them.

[Guest Anglesault]

It's a fucking TV show? Wow, I'm not even going to comment on that.

::Watches Dan procede to comment on it::