The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah, exactly, HELLO! Season 2!!

 

*folds arms, smug grin and acts like he knew all along*

[Mole 0]

When Buffy tells Joyce about the whole vampire bit in Season Two, she is in shock. If Buffy had actually been in an institute for bringing the subject up years earlier, don't you think Joyce would have said something?

Call me lost here, but Buffy was in a crayward?

[Guest Vitamin EC]

When Buffy tells Joyce about the whole vampire bit in Season Two, she is in shock. If Buffy had actually been in an institute for bringing the subject up years earlier, don't you think Joyce would have said something?

That point actually lends itself to the idea that the Buffyverse is just something in her head. God dammit, I hate that ep.

[Mole 0]

When Buffy tells Joyce about the whole vampire bit in Season Two, she is in shock. If Buffy had actually been in an institute for bringing the subject up years earlier, don't you think Joyce would have said something?

That point actually lends itself to the idea that the Buffyverse is just something in her head. God dammit, I hate that ep.

Or once she got in, she never got out.

[Cavi 0]

Call me lost here, but Buffy was in a crayward?

In the episode she tells Willow that when she first saw a vamp, she freaked out, told her parents and they put her in a clinic.

 

Yeah, it does lend itself to the idea that she still is in the clinic, and that the Buffyverse is just in her head, but nonetheless, I think writing in that she actually was in a clinic, when it goes against what had occurred on the show in the past, just for the sake of one episode was weak.

[Mole 0]

Call me lost here, but Buffy was in a crayward?

In the episode she tells Willow that when she first saw a vamp, she freaked out, told her parents and they put her in a clinic.

 

Yeah, it does lend itself to the idea that she still is in the clinic, and that the Buffyverse is just in her head, but nonetheless, I think writing in that she actually was in a clinic, when it goes against what had occurred on the show in the past, just for the sake of one episode was weak.

You're looking way too much into this.

 

The Geek Trio put the spell on her, so it was just all in her head. She was "crazy."

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The demon that stabbed her caused the halucinations. People were complaining about her talking about being put in an institution before for saying she saw vampires.

 

So why didn't Joyce bring it up when Buffy told her she was a Vampire Slayer in Season 2?

[Guest Vitamin EC]

You know what a problem with BtVS is? It's had such continuity through the series, that if one problem occurs, it stands out like a sore thumb. Now I have huge problems with a lot of S7 episodes and I know I'm not being fair, it's just that Buffy has been built up to such a standard that I find the idea of continuity problems intolerable. Oh, it would be so much easier to be a Charmed fan...

[Mole 0]

The demon that stabbed her caused the halucinations. People were complaining about her talking about being put in an institution before for saying she saw vampires.

 

So why didn't Joyce bring it up when Buffy told her she was a Vampire Slayer in Season 2?

Right right, it was the demon not a spell.

 

I have to watch the episode again to defend it.

 

In Buffy's brain, her seeing all of the stuff, she was NEVER a vampire slayer. She got put in the institution because she thought she was one.

 

There is no need for continuty when its just Buffy being crazy.

[fazzle 0]

You're looking way too much into this.

 

The Geek Trio put the spell on her, so it was just all in her head. She was "crazy."

Replace the Geek Trio with Marti Noxon, and Buffy with Joss, and I think we have a better explanation for anything that happened with season 6.

[Mole 0]

Season 6 was the first season Joss wasn't working on Buffy everyday.

 

That's why Marti got exec duties and why most people find season 6 and 7 to be weak.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The demon that stabbed her caused the halucinations.  People were complaining about her talking about being put in an institution before for saying she saw vampires.

 

So why didn't Joyce bring it up when Buffy told her she was a Vampire Slayer in Season 2?

Right right, it was the demon not a spell.

 

I have to watch the episode again to defend it.

 

In Buffy's brain, her seeing all of the stuff, she was NEVER a vampire slayer. She got put in the institution because she thought she was one.

 

There is no need for continuty when its just Buffy being crazy.

No the continuity problem is her real trip to the assylum that she talks about...not the fake one in her head. She says in that episode that she really went to one earlier in her life (before Season 1) when she told her parents she saw a vampire.

 

So when she told her mom she was a slayer in Season 2 her mom should have been "back to the institution with ya!"

[Mole 0]

Ohohohohohohoh...

 

However, her Mom didn't see a "man" get stabbed by a stake and dust into nowhere.

[Jingus 0]

Hell, if we started talking about various continuity errors in the Buffyverse, we'd be here all damn day.

 

For example:

 

1. Willow knows how to do the spell to give vampires their souls back; she's known it since the end of Season 2, when she did it to Angel. The HUGE question is, why didn't Willow ever cast this spell on Spike, Drusilla, Harmony, or any of the other vampires in the series?

 

2. Same thing: forget the name of it, but the Angel episode where Buffy visited, and Angel got turned into a human by touching some demon's blood. Okay, they explained by the end of that one why Angel had to remain a vamp, but why not find one of those demons, capture it, drill a keg tap into its arm, and then make turning vamps into humans your full-time job?

 

3. The Watcher's Council. I just found the whole concept to be bullshit, period. Here you have this giant, wealthy, powerful, globe-spanning organization, and the best thing they can give to help Buffy is... Giles? Not knocking Giles, but when he first started, he (and even moreso Wesley) were not exactly the first person I'd chose to back me up in a fight.

 

4. Another Watcher Council question: why do they expect the Slayer to work for free? They never gave Buffy so much as one dime for her years of service for them. This is especially irritating in Season 6, when Buffy is constantly broke and worrying about money, yet Quentin Travers, with his thousand-dollar suits, can't be bothered to so much as pay for Buffy's rent.

[JasonX 0]

<1. Willow knows how to do the spell to give vampires their souls back; she's known it since the end of Season 2, when she did it to Angel. The HUGE question is, why didn't Willow ever cast this spell on Spike, Drusilla, Harmony, or any of the other vampires in the series? >

 

Because the spell Willow learned about from Jenny was not full-proof and that the soul could be lost through the achievement of any form of happiness. PLUS the fact that

 

1. The spell was pretty dangerous for a then novice witch Willow.

2. Dru was long gone after season 2

3. Harmony was pretty harmless as a vamp and that souling her would just make her life even moe fucked up

4. Spike was AWOL during season 3 and by the time he came back into the gang's orbit he had the chip in his head

 

<2. Same thing: forget the name of it, but the Angel episode where Buffy visited, and Angel got turned into a human by touching some demon's blood. Okay, they explained by the end of that one why Angel had to remain a vamp, but why not find one of those demons, capture it, drill a keg tap into its arm, and then make turning vamps into humans your full-time job? >

 

IIRC wasn't the demon race extremely rare? In that case, it was a simple matter of Angel deciding to keep living his life than to chase down a pipe dream of a cure...

 

<3. The Watcher's Council. I just found the whole concept to be bullshit, period. Here you have this giant, wealthy, powerful, globe-spanning organization, and the best thing they can give to help Buffy is... Giles? Not knocking Giles, but when he first started, he (and even moreso Wesley) were not exactly the first person I'd chose to back me up in a fight. >

 

Standard part of most super-hero formulas based upon "destiny chosen people". There is always a group of people who's job it is to guide and if necessary outright manipulate the chosen one into fullfilling thier destiny and do their job.

 

<4. Another Watcher Council question: why do they expect the Slayer to work for free? They never gave Buffy so much as one dime for her years of service for them. This is especially irritating in Season 6, when Buffy is constantly broke and worrying about money, yet Quentin Travers, with his thousand-dollar suits, can't be bothered to so much as pay for Buffy's rent.>

 

It's heavily implied from what we saw with Kendra and the 70s Slayer that they DO take care of their Slayers. BUT there is a huge catch to the Watcher's generosity in that you have to do as you are told and never, EVER question them.

 

PLUS there was the matter of Buffy's relationship with Quentin Travers. I seriously doubt Buffy would be willing to take aid from Quentin, even if Quentin offered it to her with ZERO strings attached.

[Jingus 0]

It's heavily implied from what we saw with Kendra and the 70s Slayer that they DO take care of their Slayers.

Then how do you explain Kendra's line: "That's me favorite shirt! That's me ONLY shirt!"

[Mole 0]

1. Willow knows how to do the spell to give vampires their souls back; she's known it since the end of Season 2, when she did it to Angel. The HUGE question is, why didn't Willow ever cast this spell on Spike, Drusilla, Harmony, or any of the other vampires in the series?

 

Just what Jason said; what Angel has is a curse.

 

2. Same thing: forget the name of it, but the Angel episode where Buffy visited, and Angel got turned into a human by touching some demon's blood. Okay, they explained by the end of that one why Angel had to remain a vamp, but why not find one of those demons, capture it, drill a keg tap into its arm, and then make turning vamps into humans your full-time job?

Angel wants to become human from the Power That Be. The whole series is about redemption, and Angel has to fight for it.

 

 

3. The Watcher's Council. I just found the whole concept to be bullshit, period. Here you have this giant, wealthy, powerful, globe-spanning organization, and the best thing they can give to help Buffy is... Giles? Not knocking Giles, but when he first started, he (and even moreso Wesley) were not exactly the first person I'd chose to back me up in a fight.

I don't really get the Watcher's Council either. Why are there tons of them, but only one slayer at a time?

 

4. Another Watcher Council question: why do they expect the Slayer to work for free? They never gave Buffy so much as one dime for her years of service for them. This is especially irritating in Season 6, when Buffy is constantly broke and worrying about money, yet Quentin Travers, with his thousand-dollar suits, can't be bothered to so much as pay for Buffy's rent.

I can't defend that, because that annoys the shit out of me. Slayers should be paid, end of question.

 

If you want to talk about continuity, after Anya lost her necklace thing in "The Wish" why did she stay in high school???

[JasonX 0]

It's heavily implied from what we saw with Kendra and the 70s Slayer that they DO take care of their Slayers.

Then how do you explain Kendra's line: "That's me favorite shirt! That's me ONLY shirt!"

given how the Watchers frown upon slayers having normal lives, it makes sense for them to limit clothing owned by a slayer so they don't become clothing obsessed like most teenage girls.....

[Anakin Flair 0]

1. Willow knows how to do the spell to give vampires their souls back; she's known it since the end of Season 2, when she did it to Angel. The HUGE question is, why didn't Willow ever cast this spell on Spike, Drusilla, Harmony, or any of the other vampires in the series?

 

Just what Jason said; what Angel has is a curse.

 

Agreed

 

2. Same thing: forget the name of it, but the Angel episode where Buffy visited, and Angel got turned into a human by touching some demon's blood. Okay, they explained by the end of that one why Angel had to remain a vamp, but why not find one of those demons, capture it, drill a keg tap into its arm, and then make turning vamps into humans your full-time job?

Angel wants to become human from the Power That Be. The whole series is about redemption, and Angel has to fight for it.

 

Agreed

 

3. The Watcher's Council. I just found the whole concept to be bullshit, period. Here you have this giant, wealthy, powerful, globe-spanning organization, and the best thing they can give to help Buffy is... Giles? Not knocking Giles, but when he first started, he (and even moreso Wesley) were not exactly the first person I'd chose to back me up in a fight.

I don't really get the Watcher's Council either. Why are there tons of them, but only one slayer at a time?

 

 

There are a lot of Watchers due to all of the Potentials- They all need to be trained. A fact that was touched upon when both Kendra and Faith showed up, and even extrapolated in the novel Spike and Dru- Pretty Maids all in a Row, but not full explained untill Season 7. And in most cases the watchers are there to watch and document, not fight, hence why most of them seemed to bleed tweed.

 

 

 

4. Another Watcher Council question: why do they expect the Slayer to work for free? They never gave Buffy so much as one dime for her years of service for them. This is especially irritating in Season 6, when Buffy is constantly broke and worrying about money, yet Quentin Travers, with his thousand-dollar suits, can't be bothered to so much as pay for Buffy's rent.

I can't defend that, because that annoys the shit out of me. Slayers should be paid, end of question.

 

I never got that either. At least in the On-line series I alluded to earlier in one of the Buffy threads, Willow hacks the council and finally gives Buffy a nice paycheck:)

 

 

If you want to talk about continuity, after Anya lost her necklace thing in "The Wish" why did she stay in high school???

 

 

I think it was because she had ap[peared as a teenager, thus decided to stay in school to finish up, since she'd need a diploma anyways.

 

 

 

Oh, and whoever said it was easier to be a Charmed fan, it really isn't. I used to be a fan untill recently.

 

Ok guys, what are some more continuity errors?

[Cavi 0]

The Initiative (the HQ itself) still existing in Season Seven.

 

Jane Espenson was called out on this in an interview earlier in the year. She said the original script had them breaking through a cement block, but for some reason or another, it didn't make the final shooting script. She then spun a bit though, saying that what the government guy said at end of Season Four was hyperbole.

[Anya 0]

In "Amends" The First Evil is totally different than it is in season 7. In that it is like a spirit that the Bringers call forth and it can be touched. In season 7 it's now more like it's own being that is capable of thinking for itself and in charge. And of course cannot be touched.

 

Anya's original origin was that she took her human form to more easily manipulate humans. She was rude because she had never been a human and didn't understand it. Later they changed it so that she was a human in the past and looked like she does and was just always rude.

[chaosrage 0]

Ok guys, what are some more continuity errors?

Willow being gay. Despite having a HUGE crush on Xander her whole life and the fact that she was in love with Oz.

[JasonX 0]

Ok guys, what are some more continuity errors?

Willow being gay. Despite having a HUGE crush on Xander her whole life and the fact that she was in love with Oz.

After Season 4, it was stated by one of the Buffy writers, in a VERY revisionalist way, that Joss always inteded for either Xander or Willow would eventually turn gay on the other and that Willow got picked to be the token gay character when Seth Green bailed out of the show. The writer also stated that Willow's homosexual tendencies debuted in Vampire Willow episode as a means to counter the charges that Willow's sudden conversion to lesbianism was not something the show was building towards naturally with the character...

[Mole 0]

Anya's original origin was that she took her human form to more easily manipulate humans. She was rude because she had never been a human and didn't understand it. Later they changed it so that she was a human in the past and looked like she does and was just always rude.

That's a big mistake. No one can defend that one, so I just ignore the comment made in "Selfless."

 

Willow being gay. Despite having a HUGE crush on Xander her whole life and the fact that she was in love with Oz.

Well, it all depends on what you believe about homosexuality.

 

Another words, I'm not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

For the "Slayers should be paid" - look at the way the Slayer came about; the Watchers have no regard for the Slayers - the exception is Giles.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And THE BEAST debuted tonight. That ROCKS your ass. BADASS WES~! "No, leave them on", that's SO badass wes.

 

Night School is finally over, which means I got to watch FIREFLY again. I've only seen one episode and that was WAAAAY back in September when it debuted on SPACE.... guess which one I saw tonight??? THE SAME FUCKING EPISODE! AAARGH! ... still, a damn good show.

[Mole 0]

My sig says it all about THE BEAST!!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

That he's sorta cross-eyed??

[Mole 0]

You just pointed out that your GoD looks like a fool, good job!

 

No, the fact that he is just gansta lookin.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

He's not my GOD, silly mole. He's A God. He's not perfect, but then again, who can love perfection?