The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Anya 0]

You could watch season 7 of Buffy 60 times and still not make sense of all the plot holes, continuity errors and dropped storylines. Joss and the others were as bad as WWE's creative team for that debacle.

[Guest Vitamin EC]

The Andy and Alexis commentaries are great, they come off dense at times but hey, this is a cast commentary and people don't want seriousness.

[Ripper 0]

You could watch season 7 of Buffy 60 times and still not make sense of all the plot holes, continuity errors and dropped storylines. Joss and the others were as bad as WWE's creative team for that debacle.

I think it was more of anticlimatic endings to the sub plots instead of plot holes in season 7.

 

They built up Giles not touching anything for week and then.....he just happend to not touch anything...he caught the ax.

 

They have this big, SHE WON"T CHOOSE YOU~! thing with Dawn...big, RIGHT?....no...it was the fact that Buffy wouldn't chose for her to fight with her in the big battle....

 

The only drop in continuity I can think of was the total badassness of the Uber-vamps earlier in the season, and Anya taking out 3 of the with a friggin sword in the finale.

 

People can argue that the amulet was a big ass plot device they thought of at the last second(and the Scythe now that you think about it) but the amulet was part of a Angel storyline, and when tied together with what Lindsey was trying to do, makes PERFECT sense...(it was actually meant for Angel to wear, Spike got it, so he changed his plan a little).

 

The Scythe...well...it was a means to end the show I guess, and I can understand that gripe(it was there the WHOLE fucking time and NOBODY mentioned the fucking thing that would have helped alot over the past years) but hey...I've seen lazier writing.

[Mole 0]

I am boycotting the WB next year,

Ooh! Can I join?!

 

Well, except for the fact that Angel is the only thing I watch on WB anyways. So it's not really a boycott, is it?

Yeah, same here, but it still will be boycotted!

[dubq 0]

Innnnteresting... Anyone seen this?

 

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html...-03/03/17.00.tv

09:00am ET, 03-March-04

 

Gellar Open To Angel Gig

 

Sarah Michelle Gellar, former star of TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told SCI FI Wire the reasons she reluctantly pulled out of appearing in the Buffy spinoff Angel earlier this season and left open the possibility that she might still make an appearance, if asked, before Angel winds up its fifth and final season this year on The WB. Gellar, speaking for the first time about the issue, said in an interview that she had to bow out of a planned guest appearance on Angel when her aunt died late last year. Gellar spoke to SCI FI Wire during a break in the filming of her new project, the supernatural horror film The Grudge, in Tokyo.

 

Her Angel decision was "a really common misconception that people have written a lot about," Gellar said. "They had asked me to do Angel, and it was a very bad time in my personal life. There was a lot going on in my family. And I had to back out. And you sort of never hear the second side of the story. You never hear why I didn't do it. And then all of a sudden, people get really angry, and nobody asks why it didn't work for you." At the time, reports suggested that Gellar had pulled out because she wanted to distance herself from the Buffy franchise.

 

As for whether she will guest star in Angel's season-ending episodes, much as Angel star David Boreanaz did on Buffy when it wrapped its seven-year run last spring, Gellar said it hinges in part on her schedule. She's finishing the final weeks of 42 days of shooting on The Grudge, with at least nine more shooting days to go. The final Angel episodes are in production now.

 

"A lot has been written about recently, 'Oh, is she going to do it? Is she not going to do it?'" Gellar said. "Well, to be truthful, I don't know if I'm even going to make it home before they finish. But no one's contacted me. I'll be totally honest. And it depends. I think. I go back and forth on the idea, especially because Angel had such a hard time, in my opinion, always getting out from Buffy's shadow. And it never got to stand on its own. And I would hate for it to go out being about Buffy. It'll all depend on if I'm home in time and what the ideas are."

 

Buffy and Angel creator Joss Whedon has said he'd welcome an appearance by Gellar. For her part, she said she's open to it, explaining, "If everything falls into place, and it feels like the right thing at the time for the right people." Angel airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

 

I actually agree with the second part I bolded. Buffy's story came to an end, and in all honesty, I don't think I'd even want a return of her character.

[Ripper 0]

If its a Angel apperance in the last ep of Buffy style thing, then I am cool with it. 5 minutes tops. Angel has its own characters that it needs to wrap up and put a close too. Hopefully better than Buffy did.

[Mole 0]

Bah, yes, Buffy's story is told.

 

That is one thing I love about season 7; it finishes the Buffy story.

[dubq 0]

I agree. It should be about Angel getting his own ending. His own sort of closure. Not "Oh, he's going to end up with Buffy, because it's all about the Slayer."

[bobobrazil1984 0]

If Buffy appears I think it should be like... the second to last episode. They can resolve the whole Buffy/Spike/Angel mess, have their little emotional moments and all... but let the last episode be about the Angel Investigations crew (and hopefully them burning wolfram and hart to the ground)

 

PS - Julie Benz is the hottest. Thank you. carry on.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

 

I'm sorry, what?

 

RRR: Really enjoying Season 2 re-runs right now

[Ripper 0]

Bah, yes, Buffy's story is told.

 

That is one thing I love about season 7; it finishes the Buffy story.

No it didn't!

 

So what, Buffy has no job, no experience, no money, no records(they were all buried in Sunnydale) and basically no meaning to her life. I know she didn't have to fight anymore and that smile spoke alot...for then. But I bet when she got back on the bus, she was all "Wait...what the fuck am I suppose to do for a living?"

 

Xander, the eyeless construction worker is fucked...oh and the woman he loved was nearly cut in half. Willow was with a whiney bitch that she would probably dump once that bratty shit gets old....Faith I assume goes back to Prison...

 

I don't know...maybe I just don't like open endings. I want to know what happened. It didn't really tie the loose ends...we just go really close to them.

 

Don't get me wrong...I liked Chosen(although it would have 0wned you all if Chris Beck had done the score) but that wasn't a great way to close it all.

 

Andrews visit on Angel helped to close it all out for me, though.

[Mole 0]

Booooooo you Ripper.

 

Buffy Anne Summer's story was told.

 

The whole point of the series was about how Buffy was always alone, she couldn't have a normal life because she was "Chosen." Then, all of these girls who are potentials, became slayers. Now, she no longer is alone and can be a normal girl.

 

Done. Her story was told.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

She didn't have those things because being the Slayer made it impossible...as we watched for 7 years.

 

When the show was over...she didn't have to be the Slayer anymore.

 

Contained in the show are the years where her life was as the slayer...what comes after is a fresh start and the ability to do anything she wanted to.

 

look at the TV show as "Buffy Summers the Sunnydale years". She came to SD in episode 1...SD went away in the last episode.

 

After that...she moves on.

 

But that's a different story.

[Ravenbomb 0]

why does everybody dislike season 7? I thought it was one of the best seasons, besides 5

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Season 7 is my favorite season. Although I'm the only one.

[Mole 0]

Exactly bps.

 

I was looking at IMDB.com, and it says that Sean Astin directed "Souless." I knew Sean Astin directed it; but I thought it was another one.

 

My guess is that Astin is an Angel fan.

[Mole 0]

Season 7 is my favorite season. Although I'm the only one.

I like the season, but it isn't my favorite. God, I'm going to do the list again.

 

5

3

6

2

7

4

1

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

7

3

6

5

2

4

1

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Astin may have just done it to get directing experience; since he wants to be a director.

[Ripper 0]

why does everybody dislike season 7? I thought it was one of the best seasons, besides 5

Whoa whoa whoa now. I liked season 7. Its right behind season 6 and in front of season 4 (5,3,2,6,7,4,1 for my order).

 

Its just that the story presented more closure than finality to me...Mostly because they had storylines that were meant to go on to Angel, the fact I knew Spike wasn't dead...just so many things took away from the ending that the show deserved. It was a damn good show, but Chosen didn't leave me satisfied. It left me wanting more. Finales usually leave you satisfied...you know?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Are we talking about the same Joss Whedon here?

[Ravenbomb 0]

if a show is good, I always want more after the finale. If I don't then it usually means I didn't really get into it

[Anya 0]

They built up Giles not touching anything for week and then.....he just happend to not touch anything...he caught the ax.

 

They have this big, SHE WON"T CHOOSE YOU~! thing with Dawn...big, RIGHT?....no...it was the fact that Buffy wouldn't chose for her to fight with her in the big battle....

 

The only drop in continuity I can think of was the total badassness of the Uber-vamps earlier in the season, and Anya taking out 3 of the with a friggin sword in the finale.

 

People can argue that the amulet was a big ass plot device they thought of at the last second(and the Scythe now that you think about it) but the amulet was part of a Angel storyline, and when tied together with what Lindsey was trying to do, makes PERFECT sense...(it was actually meant for Angel to wear, Spike got it, so he changed his plan a little).

 

The Scythe...well...it was a means to end the show I guess, and I can understand that gripe(it was there the WHOLE fucking time and NOBODY mentioned the fucking thing that would have helped alot over the past years) but hey...I've seen lazier writing.

Those are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to dropped stories or halfassed stories in season 7.

 

 

Joyce harassing Buffy and Dawn went no where.

 

FE wanting Spike went no where.

 

Ending the slayer line went no where.

 

Why was FE messing around with Jonathan and Andrew?

 

What's with all the "Wood is evil" hints early in the season, like Wood nonchalantly burying Jonathan's body?

 

Why is FE able to merge with Caleb?

 

What exactly was FE's plan? How come it's goal with the ubies went from "I will be able to enter any man, woman and child!" to "I will become flesh!" out of no where? Why would having tons of ubies = FE is made flesh in the first place?

 

Where did the seal come from? Why is the Hellmouth now a cave full of ubies?

 

 

Luckily for Joss the nature of FE as the villain allows for weaksauce explnations like "well it was messing with Spike and using Joyce to scare Buffy/Dawn just to weaken the good guys" even though it's REALLY obvious they had big plans for that stuff and just dropped them.

 

 

The whole season has horrible pacing, where it jumps around and drops things only to bring them back later like nothing had happened. Like early in the season FE gets Spike to kill again and he fights it off and everything seems fine. Several eps later Giles goes nuts over it demanding Spike get rid of the trigger and is so worked up over it he's willing to betray Buffy. WTF? Spike wasn't even killing anymore, it was a non-issue. If he was going to do something as wild as going behind Buffy's back he should have done it ages ago.

 

 

It seems like they had no idea what they were doing in the last half of the season, probably because they were unsure about spin offs.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Why would having tons of ubies = FE is made flesh in the first place?

In Chosen, Caleb slash The First said:

 

"I will overrun this Earth. And when my army outnumbers the humans on this Earth, the scales will tip and I will be made flesh."

[Anya 0]

Yeah, but why? Why would tipping the scales = it is made flesh?

 

 

 

In End of Days it says:

"And for me as well. Look, when this is all over and our

armies spring forth and our will sweeps the world, I will be

able to enter every man, woman and child on this earth,

just as I enter you."

 

 

Which is it? It will be made flesh or it will be able to merge with everyone?

 

And why can it only merge with Caleb until the scales tip?

[Hank Kingsley 0]

I think entering every man, woman, and child means becoming flesh. It would be able to take over the body of a human, thus making it corporeal.

 

That's what I got from it, anyway.

[Anya 0]

But it's still incorporeal when it merges with Caleb.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Ok, so I just bought Stargate season 5, and in a pure genius moment, EVERY episode has comentary with either cast or crew. And the commentaries are genuinely ENTERTAINING. This is how Buffy and Angel should have been done.

[Mole 0]

Joyce harassing Buffy and Dawn went no where.

That was just the First fuckin with Dawn. It wasn't supposed to go anywhere.

 

FE wanting Spike went no where.

Yes it did. The First knew that Spike was important, and it wanted to get rid of him some how. Plus, he was the one who opened the seal to get the ubervamp out.

 

Ending the slayer line went no where.

The whole point of the series was about how Buffy was always alone, she couldn't have a normal life because she was "Chosen." Then, all of these girls who are potentials, became slayers. Now, she no longer is alone and can be a normal girl. So that is where it went.

 

Why was FE messing around with Jonathan and Andrew?

The First thought that Jonathan was the one who would open the seal; but it was wrong. After that, the First gave up on Andrew eventually.

 

What's with all the "Wood is evil" hints early in the season, like Wood nonchalantly burying Jonathan's body?

Just trying to hide it from the kids; he knew something was up.

 

Why is FE able to merge with Caleb?

Got me there.

 

What exactly was FE's plan? How come it's goal with the ubies went from "I will be able to enter any man, woman and child!" to "I will become flesh!" out of no where? Why would having tons of ubies = FE is made flesh in the first place?

If the ubervamps took over the planet, it would have enough power to become human.

 

Where did the seal come from? Why is the Hellmouth now a cave full of ubies?

I am not sure about the seal. I believe the First was breeding ubervamps, major guess there.

[Anakin Flair 0]

And again Wes goes to chop off the had of the woman he loves.

 

Ooops. Oh, well.