George Steinbrenner is Baseball's Vince McMahon

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Look at the simliarities. Both have bought out their competition for years on end and Steinbrenner is on the brink of just killing baseball whilst Vince is on the brink of killing wrestling. Both men could careless what anybody thinks as long as they get their own way. Most Yankees fans are Marks lead to believe their team is the greatest not knowing the behind the scenes politics and Steinbrenner flaunting his money about. Discuss

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Your overreacting.

 

Trust me his constant retooling of the team is going to bite him in the ass in another season or two. Actually I think there's a good chance the Yankees are going to be hurting after this season with Clemons and Pettite probably gone.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Such as McMahon is hurting for gathering all the talent he has and not having enough to do with them thus biting him in the ass...there are alot of similiarities between the two

[Guest Anglesault]

Look at the simliarities. Both have bought out their competition for years

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Look at the simliarities. Both have bought out their competition for years on end

 

Steinbrenner has bought other baseball teams?

 

Most Yankees fans are Marks lead to believe their team is the greatest

 

Uhm... Maybe the success is what gives people that idea.

 

not knowing the behind the scenes politics

 

The what?

 

Steinbrenner flaunting his money about. 

 

Uhm, the owners who won't or can't spend money generally suck.

 

It's not George's fault that actually puts money into his team?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

And anyone will tell you the Yankee teams of the past few years are far inferior to the team that was built with farm talent.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

And anyone will tell you the Yankee teams of the past few years are far inferior to the team that was built with farm talent.

Yes, like when Vince started building up the WWF via homegrown such as Christian, Edge, Rock, Angle, etc but then went on to buy alot of the competition and thus them getting worse but still being the only real show in town

 

This thread isn't so much Yankee bashing as realising there are alot of similarities between George Steinbrenner w/ Yankees and Vince McMahon w/ WWF

[Guest Anglesault]

And anyone will tell you the Yankee teams of the past few years are far inferior to the team that was built with farm talent.

And yet still better than any other team in the AL.

 

Am I just missing the point?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I'm just trying to point out that the Yankees are going to shoot themselves in the foot sooner or later with the big spending and thus aren't killing MLB.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm just trying to point out that the Yankees are going to shoot themselves in the foot sooner or later

All dynasties fall.

 

I don't think that means the Yanks should (as someone suggested in the main thread) totally forget about free agency and immediately start bringing some minor leaguers up and throwing them right into the Lion's Den.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I don't know if that's in reference to me. The thing is, no dynasty has ever been built without a solid base of homegrown players.

[Guest Anglesault]

How big must a "base" be?

 

Because I'd say almost the entire in field (save third base, and if The Drewster didn't suck, well, and maybe Soriano), center fielder, their best pitcher and their awesome closer are a fairly solid "base"

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Which is why they've succeeded so long. My point is that the Yankees can't succeed on free agents alone. Sooner or later, the current Yankees will decline. When that happens the Yankees will need more farm talent, because they can't subsist on free agents alone.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Which is why they've succeeded so long. My point is that the Yankees can't succeed on free agents alone. Sooner or later, the current Yankees will decline. When that happens the Yankees will need more farm talent, because they can't subsist on free agents alone.

That's why they have teams like Reds who are willing to sell Players who aren't even done being arby eligible...Yanks got Boone and White for like $3.5mill and Brandon Claussen. It doesn't help having a commisioner who allows players to be had in deals that include more than the maximum monetary amount the league is suppose to have (which is $1mill). But again, this is all off topic from what the actual thread is about

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

With Brandon Claussen, the Reds may win that trade yet. Besides, isn't Boone a free agent soon?

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

I'm pretty sure the best Infielders the Yanks have, Jeter & Soriano, have been in the Yanks farm leagues for several years before called up. Jeter's technically been a Yankee since 1992, but didn't make the Roster until 1995. Bernie Williams (CF) can be thrown in the boat too, as well as Mariano Rivera and Andy Petite.

 

Steinbrenner MAKES Money. Vince doesn't.

 

You fail comparing the two.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

With Brandon Claussen, the Reds may win that trade yet. Besides, isn't Boone a free agent soon?

Nope, Boone is still arby eligible for another couple of years...of course the Yanks could now just sign him up long term. I also believe Claussen has had Tomy John Surgery already which changed him from power to finesse

 

Also as far as making money and not making money are concerned that's only one difference after a long list of similarities both in personality and in bussiness maneuvers

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

With Brandon Claussen, the Reds may win that trade yet.  Besides, isn't Boone a free agent soon?

Nope, Boone is still arby eligible for another couple of years...of course the Yanks could now just sign him up long term. I also believe Claussen has had Tomy John Surgery already which changed him from power to finesse

 

Also as far as making money and not making money are concerned that's only one difference after a long list of similarities both in personality and in bussiness maneuvers

I don't see ANY Similarities of a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM OWNER and a Wrestling Promotion owner.

 

Steinbrenner also owns the New Jersey Devils (or part of them) and they are a very good and don't have the best talent. (Their best player is the goalie who was drafted by them, not bought in a trade)

[The Czech Republic 0]

I don't see ANY Similarities of a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM OWNER and a Wrestling Promotion owner.

 

Steinbrenner also owns the New Jersey Devils (or part of them) and they are a very good and don't have the best talent. (Their best player is the goalie who was drafted by them, not bought in a trade)

And which team singlehandedly ruined the NHL? Why, the New Jersey Devils, of course!

[Guest Choken One]

horrible marketing and lack of being able to create new stars is what ruined NHL.

[The Czech Republic 0]

horrible marketing and lack of being able to create new stars is what ruined NHL.

Didn't we all agree to ban you from hockey discussion? Anyhow, it doesn't matter if you market total shit well, it's still shit. Top players question why people are watching them play their games. The Devils lack of star power, surplus of winning, and dull style of play has killed the league more than failed attempts at making The Next Gretzky ever could. What makes it all worse is that ESPN has embraced New Jersey with statements like "Three championships in nine years, and most likely four in ten." Brodeur is horribly overrated. I could do about as well as him if I were in net for New Jersey. Anybody could. It's not a system of play that puts pressure on the goaltender to excel.

 

What I'm trying to say is this: the Devils and their trap is just awful for the league as a whole.

 

Also, consider this: there's no way people can get behind this team. I hold backstory in high regard when looking at Stanley Cup Finals. The Red Wings have had winning it for Konstantinov in 98 and Bowman's final year in 02. Colorado had the dream team of Sakic/Forsberg/Roy and leaving Quebec out in the cold just as they reached the top of the mountain, puns intended; followed by Ray Bourque's quest for a Cup before he went out. Pittsburgh was winning it for their fallen coach, the Rangers were ending a drought, and the Habs were winning it all for what many considered their last real chance for many years. Looking at 2003, we had the possibility of the most dubious franchise in hockey (Ducks) coming from the bottom to take it all, and possibility a Canadian small-market team staving off bankruptcy with inspiration by a dying legend. What have the Devils had? Nothing.

Edited October 18, 2003 by The Czech Republic

[Slayer 0]

I miss the good ol' days when the Yankees descended into the basement between '81 and '95 and the only entertaining thing about them was George fighting with Don Mattingly over his hair.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I miss the good ol' days when the Yankees descended into the basement between '81 and '95 and the only entertaining thing about them was George fighting with Don Mattingly over his hair.

Mattingly, Shave those SideBurns!