WWE Bloodbath DVD

[Guest Choken One]

Not really...It's better then feeling like your in a empty chamber with noise being pitched in at random times because damn it, Ross is a hard motherfucker (even pre bells Palsy) to interpret, which is why Jesse Ventura was god...He was CLEAR when he spoke...

 

but Subtitles would be easy.

[Guest krazykat72]

to the poster asking about the implementation of the escape from the cage rules, according to Meltzer, in the late 60's/early 70's, that method of cage match was popularized by Fred Blassie and referred to as the "Blassie" cage match. That probably explains the influence.

 

 

-Paul Jacobi-

[Guest Dmann2000]

I'm curious as to any recent fans who picked this up and never saw some of those NWA matches- what did you think of Blanchard/Magnum?

[cawthon777 0]

It is real good, but some of the match choices are curious. Why Flair v Rhodes, since Flair is a WWE talent? Why have a match where he jobs --- and the match is just not that good to boot. Why not have Flair v Garvin from Starrcade '87 --- Flair goes over and the match is slightly better?

 

And why have R 'n' R v Andersons, since Arn is with the WWE? Why not find a match where WWE people AREN'T the ones jobbing to people not involved with the company? Besides, I never liked that match anyway.

Maybe because those matches were featured on commercial releases? I can't think of any reason other than that. The only one of the bunch I don't already have an original copy of is Starrcade 85 with Tully / Magnum.

 

I can understand them not featuring Flair / Race since that will be on the Flair DVD. But aside from that, Wargames, and the matches already featured on Bloodbath, what's left in regards to the NWA from this time period? I really can't think of much pre-90.

[Guest Choken One]

You show that Hogan/Flair gem from Uncensored 99 or An actual Good caged heat match (AKA HIAC RIP OFF) between Booker and Steiner...

 

or of course the Triple Cage Match with Arquette but HHH won't let anyone know that Arquette held his title once and Vince won't let anyone know Jarrett exists.

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

I think maybe they should've included Steamboat/Youngblood vs. Slaughter/Kernodle and Gangstas vs. Eliminators. The Gangstas vs. Eliminators match, even though its on the ECW DVD, it would show that the WWE is putting ECW footage to good use. I would definitely like to see the Steamboat/Youngblood vs. Slaughter/Kernodle match.

[Guest Choken One]

They started the DVD before they offically got the ECW rights anyways...

[Bruiser Chong 0]

I got the set yesterday and I've gotta say that watching the clipped up Bret/Owen match, it doesn't come across too well. It does when it runs in its full length, but I swear, the way that they clipped it made it seem so repetitive, since seemingly every clip involved Bret almost getting out of the cage and then Owen pulling him back in by his hair. It's a great match, but it doesn't really come across that way here.

 

The Flair/Garvin match is universally accepted as being mediocre, but I really like it. The ending is fun and I love Ronnie's Knockout Punch.

 

Although I've seen it before, I never realized how brief the Murraco/Snuka cage match really was. Still an intense match, although a video package of why it was such a vendetta would've been appreciated.

 

Overall a great set, and the old WWF and NWA footage will hopefully open the eyes of some of the newer fans and make them realize how things used to be. I don't see a sequel in the works simply because they brought us up pretty much to present day with the cage matches. I'd love to see another edition out in the future, but this'll do nicely.

 

And before I forget to mention, I agree with the poster who talked about the illogical rule of the only way being able to win a cage match is to escape. These matches always signified the blowoff to an intense feud that had gotten to the boiling point, and the only way to settle it once and for all, without anyone being able to get it, and the participants having nowhere to go, was battling it out in a savage cage match. It was almost like a fight to the death just because both guys would usually be juicing to the max by the end of the match and even the winner would seem like the loser. With the rules being so that the only way to win is to escape the cage, it seems counterproductive, just because these two guys who hate each other are now trying to run away from one another. It's caused some interesting spots in cage matches, but ultimately, it defeats the original purpose of such a match.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

If there's any way they can release a second Cage DVD....I wanna see a Dreamer/Raven ECW Cage Match.

 

Doubtful though.

[Guest Choken One]

What else besides HIACS, War Games can they put on a Second Cage DVD?

 

Maybe Dreamer/Raven for historic purposes along with the Gangstas/Eliminators Tag Match...

 

 

WCW never really did Cage Matches and when they did they sucked...

 

So the second DVD would be a One Disc with

 

HBK Vs Taker-Badd Blood

Mankind Vs Taker-KOTC

Six Pac HIAC-Armagedeon

War Games 1987

War Games 1991

War Games 1992

Dreamer/Raven

Gangstas/Eliminators

Edited October 30, 2003 by Choken One

[Downhome 0]

I want the cage match which had Benoit/Malenko vs. (I forget who) on Thunder, where Benoit went off of the top of the cage with the big Headbut for the first time.

 

I want that on DVD BAD.

 

I'd also like to see Vader/Flair, Superbrawl '94 on DVD, once again, I want that BAD.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

What else besides HIACS, War Games can they put on a Second Cage DVD?

 

Maybe Dreamer/Raven for historic purposes along with the Gangstas/Eliminators Tag Match...

 

 

WCW never really did Cage Matches and when they did they sucked...

 

So the second DVD would be a One Disc with

 

HBK Vs Taker-Badd Blood

Mankind Vs Taker-KOTC

Six Pac HIAC-Armagedeon

War Games 1987

War Games 1991

War Games 1992

Dreamer/Raven

Gangstas/Eliminators

Add Luna Vachon vs. Stevie Richards in there too.

 

If just for Luna getting the win with the Testicular Claw.

[geniusMoment 0]

I started watching wrestling in 1991, I was 8. At the time I watched the WWF so I never got a chance to see any of the NWA stuff. After comparing the WWF's lighting and production work in the mid 80's to NWA's a simple question comes to mind: What the fuck? I thought NWA was a major company. That company had worse production values than a third rate ECW rip off. The ring lighting and general feel was like that of an indy promotion.

When did NWA/WCW actually make their promotion seem like it was funded properly? I don't need all types of pyro or fancy lighting, I realize much of it wasn't around back then, even in the WWF. But just some simple lighting grids would have been nice. I am probably in the minority here but to me the dark dreary feel really hurt the matches. For the flair dvd where the production values any better for his matches in 89 against funk and steamboat?

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

Maybe the next DVD will be all about Hell in a Cell and Wargames. That would include all the Wargames, 4 complete HIAC matches(Michaels/Taker, Jericho/HHH, Lesnar/Taker, Nash/HHH) and the others clipped since those are under the WWF attitude logo.

[Guest Choken One]

I started watching wrestling in 1991, I was 8. At the time I watched the WWF so I never got a chance to see any of the NWA stuff. After comparing the WWF's lighting and production work in the mid 80's to NWA's a simple question comes to mind: What the fuck? I thought NWA was a major company. That company had worse production values than a third rate ECW rip off. The ring lighting and general feel was like that of an indy promotion.

When did NWA/WCW actually make their promotion seem like it was funded properly? I don't need all types of pyro or fancy lighting, I realize much of it wasn't around back then, even in the WWF. But just some simple lighting grids would have been nice. I am probably in the minority here but to me the dark dreary feel really hurt the matches. For the flair dvd where the production values any better for his matches in 89 against funk and steamboat?

NWA was TNA back then.

 

 

Hate to bust your bubble but lighting and all that wasn't so advanced back then.

 

I think you are too used to WWE's High Standard pricey state of the art lighting.

 

The old school approach was to focus SQUARELY on the match thus the reason for the dark crowd.

[geniusMoment 0]

I am not an idiot. I did not go in expecting WWE lighting. I just expected WWF 86 lighting, or at least something similar.

When did they change over to decent lighting?

I know in the early nineties they had decent lighting and a big ramp.

Will the Flair/steamboat and Flair/funk matches from 89 have at least passable lighting.

[Guest Choken One]

Well it's a change in three years. Turner started putting more money in the company and Crockett spent more and with Steamboat being a failure at the box office that hurt Crockett and that led to the creation of WCW.

[Guest MikeSC]

It is real good, but some of the match choices are curious. Why Flair v Rhodes, since Flair is a WWE talent? Why have a match where he jobs --- and the match is just not that good to boot. Why not have Flair v Garvin from Starrcade '87 --- Flair goes over and the match is slightly better?

 

And why have R 'n' R v Andersons, since Arn is with the WWE? Why not find a match where WWE people AREN'T the ones jobbing to people not involved with the company? Besides, I never liked that match anyway.

Maybe because those matches were featured on commercial releases? I can't think of any reason other than that. The only one of the bunch I don't already have an original copy of is Starrcade 85 with Tully / Magnum.

 

I can understand them not featuring Flair / Race since that will be on the Flair DVD. But aside from that, Wargames, and the matches already featured on Bloodbath, what's left in regards to the NWA from this time period? I really can't think of much pre-90.

Why not R'n'R v the Koloffs from SC '85, if an Express match was desired? It was a better match, honestly.

 

Flair v J. Garvin would have been a barely better choice than Flair v Rhodes --- but they would have to go into the back story. And I'm sure there were some Flair v Koloff cage matches at some point.

-=Mike

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Choken's actually right. It's pretty traditional (at least it used to be) that the ring would be the only thing you could focus on and should be the only thing you focus on. Remember, the fans weren't such a big part of the show like they are now. Yeah, they booed and cheered who they hated and liked but note small differences, like there being roughly three signs in the entire audience.

 

Admittedly, it can be a bit of a shock to see NWA stuff from that era for the first time after only being exposed to the WWF, but that was usually the rule back then, not the exception.

[Guest Choken One]

It is real good, but some of the match choices are curious. Why Flair v Rhodes, since Flair is a WWE talent? Why have a match where he jobs --- and the match is just not that good to boot. Why not have Flair v Garvin from Starrcade '87 --- Flair goes over and the match is slightly better?

 

And why have R 'n' R v Andersons, since Arn is with the WWE? Why not find a match where WWE people AREN'T the ones jobbing to people not involved with the company? Besides, I never liked that match anyway.

Maybe because those matches were featured on commercial releases? I can't think of any reason other than that. The only one of the bunch I don't already have an original copy of is Starrcade 85 with Tully / Magnum.

 

I can understand them not featuring Flair / Race since that will be on the Flair DVD. But aside from that, Wargames, and the matches already featured on Bloodbath, what's left in regards to the NWA from this time period? I really can't think of much pre-90.

Why not R'n'R v the Koloffs from SC '85, if an Express match was desired? It was a better match, honestly.

 

Flair v J. Garvin would have been a barely better choice than Flair v Rhodes --- but they would have to go into the back story. And I'm sure there were some Flair v Koloff cage matches at some point.

-=Mike

Garvin IS on the DVD.

 

I guess since Rhodes and Andersons are more noticeable they went with them I guess

[Guest MikeSC]

It is real good, but some of the match choices are curious. Why Flair v Rhodes, since Flair is a WWE talent? Why have a match where he jobs --- and the match is just not that good to boot. Why not have Flair v Garvin from Starrcade '87 --- Flair goes over and the match is slightly better?

 

And why have R 'n' R v Andersons, since Arn is with the WWE? Why not find a match where WWE people AREN'T the ones jobbing to people not involved with the company? Besides, I never liked that match anyway.

Maybe because those matches were featured on commercial releases? I can't think of any reason other than that. The only one of the bunch I don't already have an original copy of is Starrcade 85 with Tully / Magnum.

 

I can understand them not featuring Flair / Race since that will be on the Flair DVD. But aside from that, Wargames, and the matches already featured on Bloodbath, what's left in regards to the NWA from this time period? I really can't think of much pre-90.

Why not R'n'R v the Koloffs from SC '85, if an Express match was desired? It was a better match, honestly.

 

Flair v J. Garvin would have been a barely better choice than Flair v Rhodes --- but they would have to go into the back story. And I'm sure there were some Flair v Koloff cage matches at some point.

-=Mike

Garvin IS on the DVD.

 

I guess since Rhodes and Andersons are more noticeable they went with them I guess

Flair v Ron is on it, but I don't remember seeing Flair v JIMMY Garvin from the Bash that year. It wasn't a great match --- but they did build it up quite nicely.

-=Mike

[Guest Megatron]

Bah, WHY IS BENOIT-ANGLE CLIPPED SO MUCH?

 

They even took out one of the 3 main huge spots, the insane top rope german.

I guess I won't be buying this one then. The German was what made the match. I don't recall it ever being done before or since then. I see no reason why they would cut it.

[Slayer 0]

Remember, the fans weren't such a big part of the show like they are now.

I'm not so sure about that... it seems strangely ironic that back in "the day", playing to the crowd was a huge deal. Faces were supposed to get the crowd cheering, while heels needed to get crowds riled up, and crowds were typically hot throughout entire shows.

 

As opposed to today, where wrestlers don't seem to play to crowds at all... like they're wrestling in a vacuum where the crowd doesn't exist, and so they wonder why fans sit on their hands for 95% of an event now.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

That's like passing up a DVD because there's no insert included with the package. There's tons of great footage that is required viewing for fans out there, and best yet, it's in DVD quality. Seeing those old NWA matches in crystal clear vision alone was worth it for me. But you get mad props for your Clarence Boddicker avatar.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Remember, the fans weren't such a big part of the show like they are now.

I'm not so sure about that... it seems strangely ironic that back in "the day", playing to the crowd was a huge deal. Faces were supposed to get the crowd cheering, while heels needed to get crowds riled up, and crowds were typically hot throughout entire shows.

 

As opposed to today, where wrestlers don't seem to play to crowds at all... like they're wrestling in a vacuum where the crowd doesn't exist, and so they wonder why fans sit on their hands for 95% of an event now.

Yeah, I might've been a little off there, but I still think that the main focus of the show was always to be the ring and nothing else. The fans played a role in the match in that they responded to what was going on, but the fan involvement wasn't nearly what it's become today where you've got a sea of signs, souviner items, and what have you. Playing to the crowd was incorporated much better back then, but I still don't think that means that it's not wanted today, it's just you've got a bunch of performers unable to get the crowd involved.

[geniusMoment 0]

It seems as if they have a bush league camera crew as well. The ring is not even lit that well. After seeing some AWA footage from the mid-80s that is what I expected. It is just too dark and dreary for my tastes. To each his own I suppose.

[Downhome 0]

I miss the days of the NWA/early WCW, in terms of their production.

 

I'm a huge fan of that look, and always will be.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I miss the days of the NWA/early WCW, in terms of their production.

 

I'm a huge fan of that look, and always will be.

I LOOOVE the look of NWA/WCW production. I like it better than the bright lights. Wrestling is meant to be a gruesome battle between two people and dark lighting really allows you to concentrate on a match. It gives the match more of an underground fight to the bitter end feel which I think is necessary in wrestling sometimes. The WWE has never really had this unless you count some matches on Coliseum Home Video. The WWF back in the day gave wrestling too much of a "fun family" appeal with their bright lights. The bright lights just made wrestling look too much like a good old tea party or some other harmless event.

 

I also think that for some of the older wrestling fans it might be ingrained in their heads that bright lights represented the faker wrestling of the WWE while the dark lighting of the NWA/WCW meant more realistic wrestling. I know it did for me.

[Downhome 0]

I also think that for some of the older wrestling fans it might be ingrained in their heads that bright lights represented the faker wrestling of the WWE while the dark lighting of the NWA/WCW meant more realistic wrestling. I know it did for me.

I feel exactly the same.

 

I think I'm going to start a post soon about oldschool wrestling, it's been on my mind for quite a while now, and this DVD has really got me thinking again.

[geniusMoment 0]

So in what lighting is Steamboat/Flair?

This will decide whether or not I buy the Flair dvd. So it will be wonderful if one of you will tell me in advance. I realize I will probably get flamed for not buying the Flair dvd just because of lighting. The thing is I already have the 1992 rumble, the HHH match and his match with sting on tape. If the matches take place in that crappy lighting, with the LD level camera work, it will mean I will be able to spend my money on something else. This may seem like the ramblings of an insane man, but to me the Nature Boy is all about the bright lights and the big city. It is just not the same without the music and nice entrances.