Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 the writers are interested in getting ratings. these long drawn out epic fueds just dont work anymore. its like your all stuck in the 80's. its about RATINGS. most casual viewers dont take it seriously enough to enjoy that kind of a fued. Austin/McMahon last pretty damn long and it drew ratings. It was based on a pretty basic premise too. Corporate boss can't control the renegade fan favorite and sets out to stop him at all costs. Sure it got a little out of hand at points, but it never lost sight of it's basic premise. that was a revolutionary fued in wrestling. people could relate to it. thats what they try to do is to get people to relate. why do you think they are doing this jericho and trish thing. its a situation that we are all familiar with. typical smart ideas of a good story line are boring and not relatable. Like what? What ideas have we had that are boring and unrelatable? People relate with that which is most common and real. Necrophilia and people surviving flaming dumpsters is not relatable. Competition, hate, rivalry, jealousy, and greed are relatable and common. Take the basic ideas and build off them using the character traits of the people involved. Yes, preach on brother Parka! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 People relate with that which is most common and real. Necrophilia and people surviving flaming dumpsters is not relatable. Hey! It is so relatable...check my above thread to find out why! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robvandam420 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? Exactly! Also, just last week, I fell into a FIERY INFERNO and guess what... ...I lived! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. So then if these angles now are so great....why isn't John Doe tuning in? You still haven't explained this to us...oh thats right................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robvandam420 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? its called a variety show. stephanie said that herself a few times. wrestling started in circuses btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? its called a variety show. stephanie said that herself a few times. wrestling started in circuses btw. Yes and that means it has to remain a circus???? It's a variety show alright...a shitty variety show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted October 26, 2003 It gets better and better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? its called a variety show. stephanie said that herself a few times. wrestling started in circuses btw. Yes and that means it has to remain a circus???? It's a variety show alright...a shitty variety show. At least, for a good majority of the time, we have a VARIETY of shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Invictus 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 For some reason I'm thinking that the same justifications were made to support the Katie Vick storyline from last year. "It's RELATABLE!" Who COULDN'T relate to that classic feud!? Who DOESN'T have sex with corpses? Exactly! Also, just last week, I fell into a FIERY INFERNO and guess what... ...I lived! Did you track down the guy who did it and hook up a car battery to his testicles? I know I did that when it happened to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. If that's how they are trying to attract viewers then they will never keep those viewers who tune in. Some guy flips through the channel and sees something controversial. He watches for awhile...maybe even a few weeks before realizing it's stupid and quits watching. Basically the only people who are watching right now are the dedicated ones anyway. They aren't going to regain viewers overnight or by catching those who flip through the channels. It's going to have to be a noticable change to something that won't insult their intelligence and then it will spread by word of mouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Man this is great. Gotta hand it to bullshit boy over here though...he doesn't give up...no matter how many times we make him realize he's a complete fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Whats the over/under on this being a gimmick poster? I mean I think we could make a case..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robvandam420 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. So then if these angles now are so great....why isn't John Doe tuning in? You still haven't explained this to us...oh thats right................ your not thinking in the big picture.here. john doe has been tuning in. those numbers are average for the night. in fact, when kane started flipping out with all the over the top stuff that you frown on, ratings went up considerably. as far as katie vick goes, that was plain stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Whats the over/under on this being a gimmick poster? I mean I think we could make a case..... I've already said that I believe this guy will break out the onslaught of racist comments and the such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Whats the over/under on this being a gimmick poster? I mean I think we could make a case..... I've already said that I believe this guy will break out the onslaught of racist comments and the such. Well he proved his maturity level when he started insulting me for no reason at the beginning of this thread....so the racist comments aren't far away. Maybe we should all tell him our race so that he can figure out what to call us. I'm Irish dude....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robvandam420 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. If that's how they are trying to attract viewers then they will never keep those viewers who tune in. Some guy flips through the channel and sees something controversial. He watches for awhile...maybe even a few weeks before realizing it's stupid and quits watching. Basically the only people who are watching right now are the dedicated ones anyway. They aren't going to regain viewers overnight or by catching those who flip through the channels. It's going to have to be a noticable change to something that won't insult their intelligence and then it will spread by word of mouth. yes, word of mouth. when someone sees something controversial that they didn't expect to see on a wrestling show, they will bring it up in conversation more often than a recap of what someone would expect to hear. old school is dead. get over it. the only thing worth a crap back then were the matches anyway. (well except for mach man interviews) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. So then if these angles now are so great....why isn't John Doe tuning in? You still haven't explained this to us...oh thats right................ your not thinking in the big picture.here. john doe has been tuning in. those numbers are average for the night. in fact, when kane started flipping out with all the over the top stuff that you frown on, ratings went up considerably. as far as katie vick goes, that was plain stupid. And you know what...they went right back down because those people who tuned in didn't stay. Like I said above most of the people who watch now are the dedicated ones anyway. Casual fans tune in sporadically when they hear something that sounds remotely interesting is happening and if it gets stupid they tune back out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted October 26, 2003 http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=entry1074463 RVD420's booking plans (Kinda....) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Oh yeah I remember that........because you know....heel/heel feuds have always drawn in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=entry1074463 RVD420's booking plans (Kinda....) Oh my God, he's the guy that said this about Steiner/Jericho... they could make it a heel/heel fued. although theres no face, it would be ratings gold. and by the way, i am aware of steiners in ring limitations, but he can do his part simply with promos and sports entertainment stuff. besides, jerichos the only wrestler light enough for steiner to look good against who is worth half a shit ...this is classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 26, 2003 your not thinking in the big picture.here. john doe has been tuning in. those numbers are average for the night. in fact, when kane started flipping out with all the over the top stuff that you frown on, ratings went up considerably. as far as katie vick goes, that was plain stupid. They went up for the first 4 or so weeks. Then Kane went back to being a piddling draw despite his segments becoming increasingly over-the-top. I mean, take a look at this: http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=ST&f=1&t=43184 Kane's average had to have been dragged down somehow. And why does RAW have so many negative draws and so few very big draws? I thought they were the sportz entertainment show with all the appeal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Invictus 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 yes, word of mouth. when someone sees something controversial that they didn't expect to see on a wrestling show, they will bring it up in conversation more often than a recap of what someone would expect to hear. old school is dead. get over it. the only thing worth a crap back then were the matches anyway. (well except for mach man interviews) The thing is, the angle's are embarrassing. Casual viewers are too embarrassed to admit to their non-watching friends what they saw, or if they do talk about it, they talk about it in an unflattering way that won't get viewers. If a casual viewer is tuning into a wrestling show to not see wrestling, things have gone horribly wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 Epic, classic, heated feuds are what people want to see. The fans are not morons, and do not want to be insulted by having pure shit given to them on their TV screen. The PROBLEM with WWE is that they are trying too hard to come up with wild and wacky ideas for short terms feuds. That bullshit doesn't work, and history has proven that time and time again. Just about ALL great feuds, both past and present, have many things in commen, it doesn't take a moron to realize this. yes but epic fueds require dedicated viewers. maybe we would watch it, but john doe with the remote will keep changing the channel is what he sees isn't provocotive and/or controversial. vince is right on this. i dont see why a whole bunch of people think they know the business better then the business himself, vince. i will agree that he has made dumb moves(invasion, nwo) but those were really due to politics and vince's own ego more than stupidity. If that's how they are trying to attract viewers then they will never keep those viewers who tune in. Some guy flips through the channel and sees something controversial. He watches for awhile...maybe even a few weeks before realizing it's stupid and quits watching. Basically the only people who are watching right now are the dedicated ones anyway. They aren't going to regain viewers overnight or by catching those who flip through the channels. It's going to have to be a noticable change to something that won't insult their intelligence and then it will spread by word of mouth. yes, word of mouth. when someone sees something controversial that they didn't expect to see on a wrestling show, they will bring it up in conversation more often than a recap of what someone would expect to hear. old school is dead. get over it. the only thing worth a crap back then were the matches anyway. (well except for mach man interviews) Word of mouth spreading stories of controversy is still gonna heed the same results of people tuning in to see it's still crap and tuning back out again. Controversy at most nowdays gets temporary boosts in ratings but that's about it. People have grown apathetic towards WWE's "controversy" Word of mouth needs to be spreading word of how good the storylines are and how things make sense and you can get into the stories for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted October 26, 2003 *stirs the pot* RVD, do you have any sample booking sheets you could show us, assuming you saved your rough drafts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robvandam420 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=entry1074463 RVD420's booking plans (Kinda....) your pathetic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 *stirs the pot* RVD, do you have any sample booking sheets you could show us, assuming you saved your rough drafts What does your sig mean, with all of our names in it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=entry1074463 RVD420's booking plans (Kinda....) your pathetic What about his pathetic? You're the guy that posted all of that, he's just pointing it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2003 And where the fuck is my name jackass? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
