the jericho/trish angle

[Guest robvandam420]

Basically WWE is stuck in a rut and RVD420 is talking about continuing to do the stuff that got them stuck in that rut.

 

Downhome is right. Every casual fan that I know that doesn't watch anymore hates the stupid soap opera crap.

no, it just has to be controversial but interesting. thats why katie vick didn;t do well. very controversial, but in bad taste. its usually the controversy that pulls people in and the interesting part that keeps them. the problem is storys as of late were not very interesting(i was liking the kane one, until shane showed up). jericho/trish is interesting.

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Basically WWE is stuck in a rut and RVD420 is talking about continuing to do the stuff that got them stuck in that rut.

 

Downhome is right.  Every casual fan that I know that doesn't watch anymore hates the stupid soap opera crap.

no, it just has to be controversial but interesting. thats why katie vick didn;t do well. very controversial, but in bad taste. its usually the controversy that pulls people in and the interesting part that keeps them. the problem is storys as of late were not very interesting(i was liking the kane one, until shane showed up). jericho/trish is interesting.

What was the last successful "controversial" storyline? Controversy is all over TV and people can get it on other shows...you know where they actually do it right and have a good story with it.

 

Most casual fans I know aren't looking for controversy in wrestling either. They just don't want the stupid crap. Most casual fans I talk with remember the old stuff fondly and find today's stuff dumb.

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about grammar on a bbs. my iq is probably like 130% of yours, so shut up already

Haha, this line is way funnier than the BS meter.

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Oh dear god....it's like talking to one of the same crack writing team members himself! Are you sure you didn't get the job? You have about the same intelligence as the rest of the monkey's that write for the WWE.

Dude, Jericho is gonna bang her, and then drop her! How could you not see the genius in a storyline like that?

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[Guest Choken One]

Damn I can't believe I missed out on this bullshit greatness.

[Guest 11and0baby]

Someone said it awhile back on this thread and they are right. Stuff based off simple things lead to good fueds if handled right, it all forms a good or at the very most decent fued.

 

For Example, One of my fav lil storyline traits was Shawn Michaels Boyhood Dream to be the World Champ and that had me hooked to get the show cause I wanted to see, if Shawn could realise his boyhood dream and he did and I liked it. Thats simple and it worked.

 

But more recently, im the only one of my mates that watches wrestling constantly, the rest are sorta just getting into it and ya wanna know the two angles they like the most?

 

The Bounty Angle - Again nice and Simple. Heel puts bounty on Face and people line up to take Face out to get money. Nice and Simple.

 

and another is the little Tajiri/Knoble thing they got going. Again Simplicity. A guy spits mist in a guy girlfriends face and he wants revenge.

 

And my mates are bored by watching twenty minute McMahon interviews. They want to watch someone like Tajiri cause he goes out there and he kicks some ass, that and his kicks look awesome added the fact that he got his buddies that hit that awesome Double STO and they are hooked.

 

No matter what anyone tells you, Marks watch wrestling for Wrestling and thats what they go back for. They don't go back for Soap Opera.

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robvandam420

 

 

hmmm...surely I can sue this guy for Copyright infringement.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

and you should...we only need one RVD420~!

 

You guys realize that he said he was THIS close to a WWE writing job, while he is in college for Pyschics.....Okay, a wrestling writer who has a degree in physics....I can say it some many different ways, and yet, its fucking hilarious.

 

And everyone's right about storylines that work: Simple, that the common fan can relate with. Hell look at some current great storylines:

 

CM Punk/Raven: Basically, CM Punk hates Raven because Raven was a great wretsler who let his vices take over him. Simple hate, due to the fact that Punk's dad was an alcholholic, thus he hates all addicts, even recovered ones.

 

Raven/James Mitchell: Mitchell has a vendetta against Raven, and wants Raven taken out. So James sends goon after goon to Raven, whom ovcercomes the odds and will finally defeat the Sinister Minister.

 

HBK/HHH: HBK is betrayed by his best friend, so he wants revenge. The What If? Factor is, Can HBK beat HHH, after coming out of retirement?

 

Oh and what this troll doesn't know is that most script readers want to just read the Log Line, to get the general idea of the story without taking up too much time.

 

A Log Line is a sentence, 25 words or less, that describe the story, meaning, etc. Look at my explanation of the fued above...those are log lines. Anyone who wants to do any type of professional script writing knows that you should always always always do a log line. Wheres your log line, troll?

 

oh and if ya think I'm bullshitting, go look it up on the wbe or get a book. I'd advise picking up Skip Press' Complete Idiots Guide to Scriptwritng.

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Did we scare him off? Did he finally realize that we weren't buying his bullshit?

[Guest robvandam420]

and you should...we only need one RVD420~!

 

You guys realize that he said he was THIS close to a WWE writing job, while he is in college for Pyschics.....Okay, a wrestling writer who has a degree in physics....I can say it some many different ways, and yet, its fucking hilarious.

 

And everyone's right about storylines that work: Simple, that the common fan can relate with. Hell look at some current great storylines:

 

CM Punk/Raven: Basically, CM Punk hates Raven because Raven was a great wretsler who let his vices take over him. Simple hate, due to the fact that Punk's dad was an alcholholic, thus he hates all addicts, even recovered ones.

 

Raven/James Mitchell: Mitchell has a vendetta against Raven, and wants Raven taken out. So James sends goon after goon to Raven, whom ovcercomes the odds and will finally defeat the Sinister Minister.

 

HBK/HHH: HBK is betrayed by his best friend, so he wants revenge. The What If? Factor is, Can HBK beat HHH, after coming out of retirement?

 

Oh and what this troll doesn't know is that most script readers want to just read the Log Line, to get the general idea of the story without taking up too much time.

 

A Log Line is a sentence, 25 words or less, that describe the story, meaning, etc. Look at my explanation of the fued above...those are log lines. Anyone who wants to do any type of professional script writing knows that you should always always always do a log line. Wheres your log line, troll?

 

oh and if ya think I'm bullshitting, go look it up on the wbe or get a book. I'd advise picking up Skip Press' Complete Idiots Guide to Scriptwritng.

as i said, i wont be sharing any of my ideas here. they wont be appreciated.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

RVD, have you been here since I went to bed at 3 AM?-

 

Ooops I guess not

Edited October 26, 2003 by Boo_Bradley

[Guest robvandam420]

i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still) to steiner because he couldn't focus. it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

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i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still) to steiner because he couldn't focus. it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

!?!?!??!??! See you're writing to complicated. That would be good...on a soap opera. But not wrestling. You need to keep it simple. Remember the saying? Keep it simple stupid? Oh and you wanted Steiner to win the title? Good god! Your right...your shitty ideas are not appreciated. Never speak of your shitty booking again.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still) to steiner because he couldn't focus. it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

This sounds alot like the HHH/Chyna/Kane fued of 1998, but it was Chyna managing, not lovin'

[Guest robvandam420]

i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still)  to steiner because he couldn't focus.  it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

!?!?!??!??! See you're writing to complicated. That would be good...on a soap opera. But not wrestling. You need to keep it simple. Remember the saying? Keep it simple stupid? Oh and you wanted Steiner to win the title? Good god! Your right...your shitty ideas are not appreciated. Never speak of your shitty booking again.

if you make it too simple no one cares, man. fresh stories get viewers. simplicity involves alot of recycled storylines. dont get me wrong... some simple fueds are good, but relying on them to carry a show is not the way to go. you have to keep the viewer in suspense of what will happen next, thinking and thinking. there are not many places someones imagination can go with simple storylines.

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In all fairness, Steiner winning the title would actually.... get some new faces in the main event scene instead of HHH vs Goldberg, Goldberg vs HHH, HHH vs Nash, Nash vs HHH, etc

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i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still)  to steiner because he couldn't focus.  it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

!?!?!??!??! See you're writing to complicated. That would be good...on a soap opera. But not wrestling. You need to keep it simple. Remember the saying? Keep it simple stupid? Oh and you wanted Steiner to win the title? Good god! Your right...your shitty ideas are not appreciated. Never speak of your shitty booking again.

if you make it too simple no one cares, man. fresh stories get viewers. simplicity involves alot of recycled storylines. dont get me wrong... some simple fueds are good, but relying on them to carry a show is not the way to go. you have to keep the viewer in suspense of what will happen next, thinking and thinking. there are not many places someones imagination can go with simple storylines.

Yeah but yours was stupid. It's been done before and it didn't turn out good then to. Is your name Vince Russo? Because your crappy writing sure reminds me of his. And no this is wrestling. It should always be simple. Simple does not equal bad. Complicated does not equal good. Simple works....it worked through the 80's. It worked for the NWA and it's what works in storylines now.

But it's obvious that the casual viewer who you seem to want to book for does not like the complicated storylines that make no sense. Like the one you suggested. Or else RAW would be drawing huge ratings. Plus as many have said and I can vouch....we have talked to casual fans and they do not want to see this complicated soap opera bullshit. If we wanted that we'd watch...you know a soap opera. We're all here for WRESTLING.

[Guest robvandam420]

In all fairness, Steiner winning the title would actually.... get some new faces in the main event scene instead of HHH vs Goldberg, Goldberg vs HHH, HHH vs Nash, Nash vs HHH, etc

exactly. like i said before. imagine a jericho steiner fued? that would fucking rule. the dynamics would be perfect.

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In all fairness, Steiner winning the title would actually.... get some new faces in the main event scene instead of HHH vs Goldberg, Goldberg vs HHH, HHH vs Nash, Nash vs HHH, etc

exactly. like i said before. imagine a jericho steiner fued? that would fucking rule. the dynamics would be perfect.

No they wouldn't. Heel/heel feuds don't work. They have never worked. Jericho would end up going face to actually give the match some heat. Or the fans would just turn him face. When you book heel/heel one of two things happens.

1) One goes face

2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

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2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

For proof of that point: HHH and X-Pac's King of the Ring Tournament match.

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2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

For proof of that point: HHH and X-Pac's King of the Ring Tournament match.

Which KOTR was this? I can't remember them facing each other when they were both heels.

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2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

For proof of that point: HHH and X-Pac's King of the Ring Tournament match.

Which KOTR was this? I can't remember them facing each other when they were both heels.

KOTR 98, I believe.

 

It was shortly after Waltman debuted as X-Pac.

[Guest Askewniverse]

i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still) to steiner because he couldn't focus. it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

In real life, this wouldn't have worked. Scott Steiner (re)debuted at Survivor Series 2002. Austin wasn't even in the WWE at that time. Austin came back in February 2003.

[Guest robvandam420]

In all fairness, Steiner winning the title would actually.... get some new faces in the main event scene instead of HHH vs Goldberg, Goldberg vs HHH, HHH vs Nash, Nash vs HHH, etc

exactly. like i said before. imagine a jericho steiner fued? that would fucking rule. the dynamics would be perfect.

No they wouldn't. Heel/heel feuds don't work. They have never worked. Jericho would end up going face to actually give the match some heat. Or the fans would just turn him face. When you book heel/heel one of two things happens.

1) One goes face

2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

first of all it could work. it would work. its entertaining. im not saying have all heel/heel fueds, but this one is irresistable. besides, alot of people like steiner more as a heel anyway. they used to cheer him in wcw. the only good steiner is a heel steiner. the crowd knows this too. if jericho would use some fucked up tactics, steiner can remain heel, but get cheered against jericho. or it could go the other way. one other thing i remember gerwitz telling me is "shades of grey" pertaining to characters.

[Guest robvandam420]

In all fairness, Steiner winning the title would actually.... get some new faces in the main event scene instead of HHH vs Goldberg, Goldberg vs HHH, HHH vs Nash, Nash vs HHH, etc

exactly. like i said before. imagine a jericho steiner fued? that would fucking rule. the dynamics would be perfect.

No they wouldn't. Heel/heel feuds don't work. They have never worked. Jericho would end up going face to actually give the match some heat. Or the fans would just turn him face. When you book heel/heel one of two things happens.

1) One goes face

2) Nobody cares and the match is heatless.

first of all it could work. it would work. its entertaining. im not saying have all heel/heel fueds, but this one is irresistable. besides, alot of people like steiner more as a heel anyway. they used to cheer him in wcw. the only good steiner is a heel steiner. the crowd knows this too. if jericho would use some fucked up tactics, steiner can remain heel, but get cheered against jericho. or it could go the other way. one other thing i remember gerwitz telling me is "shades of grey" pertaining to characters.

and if you dont beleive me, explain why heel austin used to get cheers. because they dug his gimic. i beleive people dig steiners gimic too. he's a heel, but he's not affraid to confront you and beat the shit out of you with no remorse. god forbid wwe would book him this way though.

[Guest robvandam420]

i suppose i'll humor you guys with a little one actually. one idea i had for steiners debut was to have him in a fued with austin. it would have started with steiner hitting on debra and trying to take her in an attemp to play mind games with austin. debra would have left austin for steiner. it would have ended with austin losing the title(if he had it still)  to steiner because he couldn't focus.  it also would have served to develop debra too. one good swerve would be debra then turning on steiner and helping austin win in a subsequent rematch, then saying that she got close to steiner to actually help austin out. austins reaction to this would be more devolopment. he could have reacted in several ways.

In real life, this wouldn't have worked. Scott Steiner (re)debuted at Survivor Series 2002. Austin wasn't even in the WWE at that time. Austin came back in February 2003.

yes i know. that was one of my fantasy fueds. they want those, too.

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Hey, since you didn't answer my PM, let me ask, where did you apply for the WWE writer job?

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First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

[Guest robvandam420]

Hey, since you didn't answer my PM, let me ask, where did you apply for the WWE writer job?

i did it in a way you wouldn't expect. i conned the secretary into thinking i was high school buddies with gerwitz and got him on the phone. i told him who a really was and what i wanted so he asked me about some of my ideas and then sent me this package in the mail with all this legal crap, and wanted me to write a few shows leading to a ppv. i think i would have gotten the job if not for the fact that i cannot travel. i was opting for a consultant kinda thing.