CZW fans, I have a few questions...

[Downhome 0]

 

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Which is which, and what is that hellacious move called?

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[LucharesuFan619 0]

It's Chris Hero vs. Trent Acid. Acid is the one being pinned, Hero is the one with the black hair who's doing the pinning. Hero doesn't use the move too regularly, from what I know, so it doesn't have a name, I don't think (I may be wrong), but if u DL the video, what the move was is a modified version of Nick Mondo's Assault Driver. Hero lifted Acid into a shoulder mount position, grabbed his head and squeezed it downward so that Acid was folded up like an accordian while on Hero's shoulders, and then used his head to pull Acid's entire body down to the mat, while sitting out at the same time so that he landed on the back of his head and his back. It's basically a Cradle Shoulder Mount into a Sitout Cradle Head Drop Michinoku Driver II.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Chris Hero is the guy doing the move, Trent Acid is the one taking it.

 

The move itself is called the Rubik's Cube. Best way to describe it, I guess, is an Electric Chair Michinoku Driver, with the guy holding the opponent by the back of the neck, driving him down, and holding on for the pin. It's NASTY.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

It's Chris Hero vs. Trent Acid. Acid is the one being pinned, Hero is the one with the black hair who's doing the pinning. Hero doesn't use the move too regularly, from what I know, so it doesn't have a name, I don't think (I may be wrong), but if u DL the video, what the move was is a modified version of Nick Mondo's Assault Driver. Hero lifted Acid into a shoulder mount position, grabbed his head and squeezed it downward so that Acid was folded up like an accordian while on Hero's shoulders, and then used his head to pull Acid's entire body down to the mat, while sitting out at the same time so that he landed on the back of his head and his back. It's basically a Cradle Shoulder Mount into a Sitout Cradle Head Drop Michinoku Driver II.

[Guest bort]

i have not seen many hero matches and i have no clue what to call it, its like a Mondo Sledge/storm cradle driver..

[Guest bort]

i have not seen many hero matches and i have no clue what to call it, its like a Mondo Sledge/storm cradle driver..

[Guest bort]

i have not seen many hero matches and i have no clue what to call it, its like a Mondo Sledge/storm cradle driver..

[Guest bort]

i have not seen many hero matches and i have no clue what to call it, its like a Mondo Sledge/storm cradle driver..

[Guest bort]

sorry about the like quad posting , if you listin closely you can hear the annocer call the move but i cant make it out cleanly

[LucharesuFan619 0]

sorry about the like quad posting , if you listin closely you can hear the annocer call the move but i cant make it out cleanly

I was about to edit my post and say exactly that, but you took the words right out of my mouth. Eric Gargiulo did call it something, but u cant tell what. The guy above said its called the Rubix Cube.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

It's basically a Cradle Shoulder Mount into a Sitout Cradle Head Drop Michinoku Driver II.

 

Isn't it kinda redundant to describe a MDII as "Sitout Head Drop"?

[Dace59 0]

Highly so.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

No, its not. Not all sitout moves are head drops. How many times do u see a Michinoku Driver II where the guy lands completely on his back, rather than on his neck, yet a Michinoku Driver II is still defined as a Sitout Bodyslam/Piledriver combo and a piledriver is typically a head drop move.

[Guest Devin]

No, its not. Not all sitout moves are head drops. How many times do u see a Michinoku Driver II where the guy lands completely on his back, rather than on his neck, yet a Michinoku Driver II is still defined as a Sitout Bodyslam/Piledriver combo and a piledriver is typically a head drop move.

Umm, you may not realize this, but you just proved his point for him... He didn't say that calling a sitout move a head drop was redundant. He said calling labelling it a sitout head drop and a Michinoky Driver II was redundant. And according to you, a Michinoky Driver II is defined as a Sitout Bodyslam/Piledriver and a piledriver is typically a head drop move.

[Dace59 0]

MDII = Sheer Drop Sitout Body Slam.

 

The version seen in the WWE is just incredibly soften up, so it is a back up.

 

The original version is not however.

[Guest RickyB]

The only name I know it by is the Storm Cradle Driver. Basically a variation of a Michinoku Driver II from an Eletric Chair.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

No, its not. Not all sitout moves are head drops. How many times do u see a Michinoku Driver II where the guy lands completely on his back, rather than on his neck, yet a Michinoku Driver II is still defined as a Sitout Bodyslam/Piledriver combo and a piledriver is typically a head drop move.

Umm, you may not realize this, but you just proved his point for him... He didn't say that calling a sitout move a head drop was redundant. He said calling labelling it a sitout head drop and a Michinoky Driver II was redundant. And according to you, a Michinoky Driver II is defined as a Sitout Bodyslam/Piledriver and a piledriver is typically a head drop move.

I agree, partly - calling it a MD2 and a sitout move was reduntant. Youre right there. However, it could be interpreted either way as to what he meant by "Isn't it kinda redundant to describe a MDII as "Sitout Head Drop"?" Could just interpret the redundancy as calling any sitout move a head drop, too? I see what you mean though and do agree that I was redundant in calling it both a MD2 and a sitout move.

 

MDII = Sheer Drop Sitout Body Slam.

 

The version seen in the WWE is just incredibly soften up, so it is a back up.

 

The original version is not however.

 

Ummm...WWE rarely uses the move anymore. I've seen John Cena do it a few times and that's about it. The indy version in the US is not always a head drop. Ive seen it plenty of times where they guy just lands on his back. Juvi's version isn't much of a head drop anymore (his TNA stuff has been, but watch him in MX and it's not really).

[Dace59 0]

I said WWE because TAKA used it when he was there.

 

And the Storm Cradle Driver was (last time I saw it) a 3/4 Nelson Choke to Inverted Piledriver.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

For the record, it's also kinda redundant to describe a MDII as a "Sit-out Bodyslam/Piledriver combo".

 

One, it's not really a piledriver. You'd have to call it a "Sit-out Bodyslam Tombstone Piledriver combo". More importantly, the term "sit-out bodyslam" totally describes the move itself. You don't really NEED to toss in "piledriver", because that would be assumed the second you consider what sitting out on a bodyslam would entail.

 

I'd also like to point out that debating over whether a MDII ALWAYS lands on the head is kinda silly.

 

It's wrestling. Moves aren't always done perfectly. But the intent of the move is to drop the guy on his head, so even when someone does a softer version of it (Going into more of a back bump) that doesn't mean you then have to describe a normal MDII as "head-drop".

 

Finally, the only redundancy I meant to point out was that in calling the MDII both sit-out and head drop, to clear that up.

 

TMM - The new Head of the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

For the record, it's also kinda redundant to describe a MDII as a "Sit-out Bodyslam/Piledriver combo"

 

Agreed.