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[Guest Megatron]

I'm just coming into this thread...

 

Who the FUCK said that Austin didn't draw before Rock showed up?

 

I still believe people forget the REAL draw that gave WWE the inital ratings boost...

 

Mike Tyson. Without Tyson, Austin likely never would have caught on like he did.

I didn't say he didn't draw. I said that Rock helped him draw more. I said that Rock was a major factor for him to bcome a huge star because of the feud they had when they were midcarders. I'm not trying to take any of Austin's success away from him. All I've said is that he didn't do it alone and I get jumped on because god forbid anybody say anything that might be seen as negative about anybody.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

So, do you admit now that Austin made millions BEFORE he and Rock had a MAIN EVENT feud?

[Guest Megatron]

In 1997, The Rock was FAROOQ's lackey !

The Rock was never Farooq's lackey! When they were in the Nation together they were feuding over who was the leader! What a crock.

[Guest Choken One]

He was already a big draw before Rock even got out of the Nation Shadow.

 

Rock emerged as a Big draw as well...His being a big draw didn't make Austin a bigger draw. Meaning Austin was still just as over with or without Rock.

[Guest Choken One]

In 1997, The Rock was FAROOQ's lackey !

The Rock was never Farooq's lackey! When they were in the Nation together they were feuding over who was the leader! What a crock.

you do realize that there was about a 3 month period where Rock did dick shit with the Nation right other then being Farooq's Lackey.

[Guest Megatron]

So, do you admit now that Austin made millions BEFORE he and Rock had a MAIN EVENT feud?

I never denied that he didn't. All I said was Rock helped Austin become a credible threat because of the feud they had when they were midcarders. Austin used that feud to move onto bigger and better. And when Rock eventually became Champ it made sense for him to feud with Austin based on their previous history. Will you at least give me that much so we can both move on?

[Guest Megatron]

you do realize that there was about a 3 month period where Rock did dick shit with the Nation right other then being Farooq's Lackey.

That's what I just said! Geez, doesn't anybody know how to read English? Yes, he was in NOD. But he was only there to try to take it over. He wasn't there to be anybody's bitch.

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

Guess the Foley, Taker, and Kane feuds didn't happen, right? Figments of my imagination, right?

 

Yes they happened. But my whole point, which everyone has been avoiding is that Austin's major feud before all this was with Rock. You don't just become a Main Eventer without being built up first. And Rock and Austin were both used to build up each other.

 

The Rock feud in 97 wasn't a major feud, PERIOD. Owen/Austin WAS. Bret/Austin WAS. Austin/Rock WASN'T. Plus, Auatin didn't need to be built up at that point in time, Rock did.

 

 

That's exactly what I said. The screwjob was just the push to get fans to hate him. He didn't rely on the screwjob to get him over, it just happened that way. He didn't start becoming a major dick until around WM14. Don't you remember the interview Cole had with him in the middle of the ring and he asked him point blank if he would like Austin as Champ and he said "Oh hell NO!" That's what I'm talking about.

YOU said it didn't happen til after WM 14. It happened after Survivor Series 97, therefore, you still have no point.

 

 

 

And who's lackey was he? Mr. McMahon's. And why was he his lackey? Because Vince couldn't wrestle, so he had Rock do it for him. And who was Rocky feuding with? Austin. See, 1+1+1=3

Using Rock in 97 was a conveinence for Vince at the time. Rock was never a real part of the feud until late 98 when he turned heel again after his quasi-face run for the 2 months before.

[Guest Megatron]

I see you don't know how to read English, either.

 

The Rock feud in 97 wasn't a major feud, PERIOD. Owen/Austin WAS. Bret/Austin WAS. Austin/Rock WASN'T. Plus, Auatin didn't need to be built up at that point in time, Rock did.

2 guys fighting over the IC belt isn't a major feud, huh? Then why'd it get so much airtime?

 

YOU said it didn't happen til after WM 14. It happened after Survivor Series 97, therefore, you still have no point.

I said it happened AROUND WM14. So my point still stands.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

So Booker T vs. Christian was a major feud last year too?

[Guest Megatron]

So Booker T vs. Christian was a major feud last year too?

It was for the RAW brand.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Aw...c'mon, man! Nobody cared. The matches sucked. It was about as "Major" as DUDleys vs. Mack and Nowinski.

[Guest Megatron]

It was major for Booker and Christian. Then again, they are still kind of feuding.

[Guest Megatron]

Besides, I didn't say it was good. Anything that takes all a wrestler's time for so long has to be considered major, don't you think?

[Guest Rob Edwards]

The Hart feud was at least a trillion times more important than the Rock feud in establishing Austin let's not forget that

[Guest Megatron]

The Hart feud was at least a trillion times more important than the Rock feud in establishing Austin let's not forget that

The whole point of my argument is that all the feuds a guy has lead up to what he becomes. Bret lead to Owen. Owen lead to Rock. Rock led to Mr. McMahon stepping in and saying that Austin wasn't a good fit for the WWF image.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

any reason to suggest he couldnt have had that feud with any mid carder though, Bret's high card status elevated Austin in the fans eyes, the feud with Rock wouldn't have to the same extent

 

Rob

[Guest Megatron]

any reason to suggest he couldnt have had that feud with any mid carder though, Bret's high card status elevated Austin in the fans eyes, the feud with Rock wouldn't have to the same extent

 

Rob

But he didn't feud with just anybody, he feuded with Rock. I can't say what might have happened because things happened the way they did.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Why can't you refute what I say, like I did with you? Why are you bringing unrelated stuff into the thread?

What would you like me to refute? And how is Benoit not connecting unrelated? To me, that's one of the key points in who I think is a good worker. Angle, Eddie, Booker, Jericho, and RVD connect with me and a vast majority. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would place several of them above Benoit. Refute away.

I disagree with the "not connecting" bit. And I have proof.

 

And as for my opinion only mattering, it would help if people with differing opinions weren't clearly full of crap.

[Guest Megatron]

I disagree with the "not connecting" bit. And I have proof.

Saying you have proof and producing said proof are 2 different things.

 

And as for my opinion only mattering, it would help if people with differing opinions weren't clearly full of crap.

Says you. I'm done arguing with you. I guess you win. Happy now?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yup. But if you want to have some reading material before bed tonight I'm happy to provide.

 

Who exactly draws in WWE and how much

 

According to you, Chris "doesn't connect to you and therefore no one" Benoit should not have any number higher than 0, and he definitely shouldn't have more favorable numbers than most of who you mentioned were better workers, primarily RVD or Booker, or even Eddie and Jericho. I'd argue about crowd pops but then there'd be bickering about hearing and nonsense like that and I'd rather gouge my eyes out than get into that.

 

Good day.

[Guest Megatron]

According to you, Chris "doesn't connect to you and therefore no one"

I never said that. It's pretty easy to "win" an argument when you fabricate stuff. I said he doesn't connect with ME. I could care less if he doesn't connect with anyone else. All I have to say is: How many T-shirts does he sell? That's the true measure of someone connecting.

[Guest Megatron]

Who exactly draws in WWE and how much

According to that list, he draws more than 9 others. WOW! There's 27 people on the list. Even A-Train's ranked higher than him! You just shot yourself in the foot with that one. Good Day to you, sir!

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Well, he doesn't connect with me, and several others who post here, asshole.

So you NOW couldn't care less?

 

All I have to say is: How many T-shirts does he sell? That's the true measure of someone connecting.

 

Regardless of 1) him not having any for sale at the moment and 2) my opinion of his previous two being completely uncreative, I don't work for Shopzone so I can't say. But I'm sure you can make up some facts for me.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Who exactly draws in WWE and how much

According to that list, he draws more than 9 others. WOW! There's 27 people on the list. Even A-Train's ranked higher than him! You just shot yourself in the foot with that one. Good Day to you, sir!

You didn't read that very well, did you. The first list is ranked ALPHABETICALLY.

 

Reading is FUNdamental!

[Guest Megatron]

You didn't read that very well, did you. The first list is ranked ALPHABETICALLY.

 

Reading is FUNdamental!

You're right. He actually draws more than 15 others. Those numbers are still sad for someone who's an Upper Midcarder, though. Because I know there's not 12 guys who are higher on the card than him.

Edited November 6, 2003 by Megatron

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Chris Benoit +3,425,000 +311,360

A-Train +350,000 +70,000

 

Do you have a hard time with numbers or something?

[Guest Megatron]

Regardless of 1) him not having any for sale at the moment and 2) my opinion of his previous two being completely uncreative, I don't work for Shopzone so I can't say. But I'm sure you can make up some facts for me.

Don't have to. All you have to do is watch the show. Don't see anybody wearing one, do you? And just because they don't have them on shopzone doesn't mean they don't sell them at shows.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

+400,000 is expected for MAIN EVENTERS.

 

You know, guys like Kevin Nash that are at +143,180 instead.

[Guest Megatron]

12 others = more viewers than Benoit