Survivor Series Workrate Predictions

[Guest ManKinnd]

Vince/Taker - **. As with all McMahon matches, they have heat and are booked very well. I see this being fun.

HHH/Berg - *. This, however, will not be fun, as HHH's plodding offense will bore me to tears like always. Only interesting thing will be who goes over.

Team Austin/Team Bischoff - ****. I have a lot of faith in this match. There's some good workers in here, and we know WWE does well with the multi-man matches.

Team Angle/Team Lesnar - ***. However, I think even with Angle and Benoit trying their damndest, there is so much suck on Team Lesnar's side that it will surely bog the match down until it gets down to just the good workers.

Tajiri/Noble - ***1/2. Give it some time like Rey/Tajiri and I'm sure it'll deliver. Do any of us have doubts?

Kane/Shane - **1/2. This match could go either way, but I think it'll end up being some really crappy brawling with Shane taking another big bump. Weee.

Lita/Molly - *1/2. Molly's great, but Lita is just so sloppy. I hope Molly can contain her well enough to keep this decent.

 

Overall, I'm just glad there's some survivor tag matches again. Other than that we have a potentially good cruiser match and maybe the return of the dead man. The good stuff could make the night enjoyable.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Team Angle Version 2 v. Team Brock: **1/2: as stated, WAY TOO MUCH SUCK. Angle & Benoit can't carry 7 people to a great match (Cena is medocire, as is Brock, everyone else sucks, except Morgan who I'll give the benefit of the doubt...for now)

 

Team Austin v. Team Bischoff: ***-ish.

 

Undertaker v. Vince McMahon: *

 

Goldberg/HHH: **

 

Kane/Shane: ***

 

Molly/Lita: *

 

Tajiri/Noble: With Time: ***. Rushed. *1/2

 

Bashams/Guerreros: *1/2

 

 

 

Not to start an argument, but how you said you hated HHH's slow plodding offense, but you don't complain about Goldbergs lack of offense completely. SNUH?

[Fökai 0]

Team Angle Version 2 v. Team Brock: **1/2: as stated, WAY TOO MUCH SUCK. Angle & Benoit can't carry 7 people to a great match (Cena is medocire, as is Brock, everyone else sucks, except Morgan who I'll give the benefit of the doubt...for now)

It's depressing that you view Brock in the same class as Cena and/or an unproven Matt Morgan.

 

 

Team Angle v. Team Brock: ***1/4. Angle/Benoit/Cena will have to work the "small man vs. big man" formula for EVERY heel on the other team. It'll be a bit repetitive, but Brock and TBS will both have their working boots on to aide their partners.

 

Team Austin v. Team Bischoff: ***3/4. Eight of the ten wrestlers can hold their own in a tag match. Let's see how much Henry and Steiner can contribute to the overall result (though, I have faith in a HEEL Steiner).

 

Undertaker v. Vince McMahon: **. Vince will bleed like a stuck pig...ONCE AGAIN. All rejoice.

 

Goldberg/HHH: **1/2.

 

Kane/Shane: **

 

Molly/Lita: *.

 

Tajiri/Noble: **1/2. On a huge card like this, it'll get 8-10 minutes, though it deserves MUCH more.

 

Bashams/Guerreros: **. Damaja and Basham are still unproven as a quality team on Smackdown, let alone the tag champions.

Edited November 16, 2003 by bravesfan

[MooreMark 0]

The smackdown tag has 5 potential workers..

 

Lesnar, Angle and Benoit..definatley

Cena...is a maybe

Big Show..Now when Big Show is willing to work he can be ok. And better then the rest of the shit thats in the match.

[The Mandarin 0]

Vince/Taker - **1/2. McMahon matches are always overbooked and entertaining. Should be good.

HHH/Berg - **1/2 Their last match was okay, and I'm starting to like Goldberg now.

Team Austin/Team Bischoff - ***1/2 Y'know, minus the crap, you have RVD, Booker T and Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho, Christian and Randy Orton. Not too shabby.

Team Angle/Team Lesnar - *** Eh, it could be better. Too bad it was lost in the buildup. It's like WWE just forgot about it. Morgan, Jones and Holly better be eliminated quickly.

Tajiri/Noble - ***1/2 Could be an awesome match. I don't have as high expectations for it as I did Rey/Tajiiri, but should still be good.

Kane/Shane - *** Their match at Unforgiven was garbage, but entertaining. Hopefully they can do the same thing tonight and just end the damn storyline once and for all.

Lita/Molly - ** Well, at least it's a change from Trish/Molly. It's better than Ivory or Jacqueline.

 

They should have just put the Bashams in the Smackdown 5 vs. 5. Would have made more sense to have the World Champ, the US Champ and the Tag Champs all on one team. Then you could have A-Train as the fifth guy.

 

Plus, Eddie should have replaced Holly. Holly could have done a run-in or something.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

There is nothing special at all about Brock in my mind.

 

 

He looks like a monster....on a team consisting of larger monsters (Jones, Morgan and Show all bigger than him).

 

He does big man moves.....I can do that and I don't wrestle for a living.

 

He sucks on the mic and sounds like a girl sometimes.

 

So putting him in BENOIT'S class is the biggest joke.

 

 

At least Cena got over without the help of WWE's three biggest stars of all time. He got over because he made a connection with fans despite his OVW background as a WWE Style worker.

[Fökai 0]

So putting him in BENOIT'S class is the biggest joke.

Saying he's in Benoit's class, is a whole lot different from saying he's MEDIOCRE...

 

 

...which is what YOU said.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

So putting him in BENOIT'S class is the biggest joke.

Saying he's in Benoit's class, is a whole lot different from saying he's MEDIOCRE...

 

 

...which is what YOU said.

Plus I spelled Mediocre wrong. LOL

 

Everyones entitled to their own opinion, but to classify him with Benoit & Angle, hed have to turn his work rate up a few notches. Of course, Benoit sucks in the promo department too.

 

I'll just say Brock is between Cena and Benoit/Angles levels. Upper Mediocre.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Buried Alive Match: Vince McMahon vs Undertaker(*3/4)

 

Triple H vs Bill Goldberg(*)

 

Team Austin vs Team Bischoff(***1/2)

 

Team Angle vs Team Lesnar(***1/4)

 

Tajiri vs Jamie Noble(**1/2)

 

Kane vs Shane McMahon(**)

 

Lita vs Molly(*1/4)

 

Bashams vs Los Guerreros(**1/4)

 

Forgot to add in the Bashams vs Guerreros match

Edited November 16, 2003 by HarleyQuinn

[Enigma 0]

UT/Vince = 3/4*

Team Austin/Team Bischoff = ***3/4

Goldberg/HHH = *1/4

Team Angle/Team Lesnar = **

Tajiri/Noble = ***

Kane/Shane = *3/4

Lita/Molly = *½

Bashams/Guerreros = **

[clean rob 0]

Vince vs. Taker: **. I think it'll be a lot better than everyone's expecting. If Taker works hard (and if he's taking time off, he'll want to give it his all before he goes), and Vince is a heat magnet again, it'll be entertaining on a dramatic level at least. I have a feeling we are going to see a LOT of blading.

 

GB vs. HHH: *. We've only really seen this match once before, and yet I feel like I've seen it a thousand times over already. Will be mostly bad, and extremely s-l-o-w.

 

Team Austin vs. Team Bischoff: ***1\4. Hopefully Austin's fate hanging in the balance will get the crowd hot, and barring Henry, every worker here CAN have a very good match. I'm expecting a good balance of drama and workrate here.

 

Team Angle vs. Team Lesnar: **3/4. I really can't see the match doing anything but sucking while Jones (and probably Morgan too) is in the ring. I expect a slow, crappy start that eventually comes to life once the poor workers are eliminated, and with any luck a hot (clean) finish.

 

Bashams vs. Guerreros: **1/4. I for one think the Bashams look promising (although they shouldn't be champs) and I think this match should be solid, with a finish we can all see coming a mile off. Hopefully they do it well.

 

Kane vs. Shane: 1\2*. This will be like Taker\Vince with all the redeeming features surgically removed. 1 big bump, 1 big pop, that's it. Hopefully short (fat chance).

 

Tajiri vs. Noble: ***3/4. Tajiri has been entertaining the hell out of me over the last two months, and his ringwork has been great. If Noble can pull out a good performance this should be MOTN.

 

Lita vs. Molly: 3\4* Time filler. Hopefully will contain a Molly-Go-Round so I can mark out. Lita winning should pop the crowd.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Vince/Taker - **1/2: This will be a lot better than everyone expects and will SEEM even better than that. There'll be so much blood, and overbooking that the crowd will eat it up. And Vince got a decent(extremely hot) match out of Zach Gowen, I'm sure him and Taker can do something decent.

 

Raw Tag - ***3/4: Good workers in there and Steiner is decent in an environment like this.

 

SD Tag - ***: Benoit & Angle are good, Brock, TBS & Cena can hold their own, A-Train can be ok, Bradsahw & Jones suck, Holly & Morgan you never know.

 

Goldy/HHH - *1/2: Slow, with a hot crowd at the end. Hopefully short.

 

Kane/Shane - *: Crap. Shane can't bump - outside of suicide spots - (or even fight) as good as Vince and Kane isn't gonna carry Shane to something great.

 

Tag Titles - *3/4: I have faith in Eddie but I still think this'll suck.

 

Tajiri/Noble - ***1/2: Will compete with the Raw tag for MOTN.

 

Molly/Lita - *: Not a fan of womens wrestling and Lita sucks.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Vince/Taker - BIG FAT STINKY FUCKING DUD

 

HHH/Berg - *1/2

 

Team Austin/Team Bischoff - ***

 

Team Angle/Team Lesnar - *

 

Tajiri/Noble - ***1/2.

 

Kane/Shane - WMOTY

 

Lita/Molly - 1/2*

 

Guerreros/Bashams - **1/2

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm surprised so many people have The Raw ten man beating the SD! one.

 

There are more awful wrestlers in SD (Holly, Bradshaw, Jones possibly Morgan vs. Steiner, Henry, Orton) but the good wrestlers in the SD! match outnumber the ones in the raw match (Angle, Benoit, Brock, vs. HBK, Jericho)

 

I say both are bad, but SD! is better.

[The Mandarin 0]

Guerreros/Bashams - **1/2

I thought it was cancelled because Chavo didn't beat the Bashams in the Handicap match on Thursday.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I'm surprised so many people have The Raw ten man beating the SD! one.

 

There are more awful wrestlers in SD (Holly, Bradshaw, Jones possibly Morgan vs. Steiner, Henry, Orton) but the good wrestlers in the SD! match outnumber the ones in the raw match (Angle, Benoit, Brock, vs. HBK, Jericho)

 

I say both are bad, but SD! is better.

Did you see Benoit/Angle vs. Lesnar/Train/Morgan/Jones on SD! two weeks ago. It was absolute fucking shit. And that was without Sparky Plugg, Bradshaw and Fatty.

 

Plus, Angle is injured, and Holly is rusty.

 

It's basically Benoit carrying everyone.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Benoit doing a miracle carry tonight? If so, maybe he will get a fucking title reign.

 

 

Zach Gowen will probably win the title before Benoit does probably.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm surprised so many people have The Raw ten man beating the SD! one.

 

There are more awful wrestlers in SD (Holly, Bradshaw, Jones possibly Morgan vs. Steiner, Henry, Orton) but the good wrestlers in the SD! match outnumber the ones in the raw match (Angle, Benoit, Brock,  vs. HBK, Jericho)

 

I say both are bad, but SD! is better.

Did you see Benoit/Angle vs. Lesnar/Train/Morgan/Jones on SD! two weeks ago. It was absolute fucking shit. And that was without Sparky Plugg, Bradshaw and Fatty.

 

Plus, Angle is injured, and Holly is rusty.

 

It's basically Benoit carrying everyone.

Angle being injured means nothing.

 

Look at Mania.

 

Did you see Raw?

 

Steiner/Henry vs. Dudleyz, Suckbag vs. HBK and Xian vs. RVD weren't that good either.

 

This is Jericho carrying everyone.

[Tawren 0]

To be honest, I see nothing over * and lots of things below DUD.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Whats with smarks and star ratings? And the word "workrate"?

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I'm surprised so many people have The Raw ten man beating the SD! one.

 

There are more awful wrestlers in SD (Holly, Bradshaw, Jones possibly Morgan vs. Steiner, Henry, Orton) but the good wrestlers in the SD! match outnumber the ones in the raw match (Angle, Benoit, Brock,  vs. HBK, Jericho)

 

I say both are bad, but SD! is better.

Did you see Benoit/Angle vs. Lesnar/Train/Morgan/Jones on SD! two weeks ago. It was absolute fucking shit. And that was without Sparky Plugg, Bradshaw and Fatty.

 

Plus, Angle is injured, and Holly is rusty.

 

It's basically Benoit carrying everyone.

Angle being injured means nothing.

 

Look at Mania.

 

Did you see Raw?

 

Steiner/Henry vs. Dudleyz, Suckbag vs. HBK and Xian vs. RVD weren't that good either.

 

This is Jericho carrying everyone.

I saw Mania. Angle-Lesnar was bleh.

 

Orton vs. HBK was better than the SD! match and so was RVD match probably (I can't really recall).

 

RAW: Booker T, Christian are decent tag wrestlers, Jericho and HBK are good, RVD should be OK as he only has to come in, hit his spots and let the wrestlers wrestle, Dudleys are OK in tag environment. Steiner is a wreck, Henry is worse than useless, Orton is bad.

 

SD: Benoit is great. Angle is OK. Lesnar is OK. Jones is utterly abysmal. Ditto Morgan. Show gets fatter everyday. Train is (sadly) the second best on his team. Cena sucks. Holly blew before his long time off. Bradshaw is beyond awful.

 

RAW > SD.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Whats with smarks and star ratings? And the word "workrate"?

Star ratings are the most accurate way to show your opinion of a match.

Asking why we say workrate is like asking a movie critic why he uses 'acting ability.'

 

To Cousin It, very few crowd-popping and exciting moves are better than a lot of boring crappy, crowd-killing moves.

[PsychoDriver 0]

I hope I'm wrong but:

 

Vince/Taker: *

HHH/Goldberg: *1/2

Team Austin/Team Bischoff: ***

Team Angle/Team Lesnar: ** (that's too much crap for Benoit/Angle to carry)

Tajiri/Noble:**1/2 (it'll be a rushed though)

Kane/Shane: * (Like everyother Shane match)

Lita/Mollyz: **

Bashams/Guerreros: **

[Guest Ray]

Brock Lesnar is better than Kurt Angle right now.

 

 

 

 

That is all...

[AndrewTS 0]

Vince/Taker: **1/2

 

Vince has some of the best minds in the business working for him, and is facing someone who knows how to work a good match when he's in the mood. Decent brawling match with Vince likely bumping and bleeding, booked and planned out to hide Vince's lack of ability. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a mark-out worthy run in a la Arn/Piper. Oh wait...it'll probably be Steph instead.

 

HHH/Goldberg: **

 

Goldie's decent these days, but HHH will probably drag it down. I don't know what condition HHH's groin is in ( ), but I doubt he's 100%.

 

Team Austin/Team Bischoff: Bunch of Raw guys, with only one good worker. Eh, **.

 

Team Angle/Team Lesnar: **. Two good workers, but the rest are average or bad.

 

Tajiri/Noble:**1/2 Not like they have a reason to try.

Kane/Shane: *1/2 Boring brawling + big bump

Lita/Mollyz: *

Bashams/Guerreros: ***

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Brock Lesnar is better than Kurt Angle right now.

 

 

 

 

That is all...

You have made a very powerful enemy today...

 

 

And your Monkey offends me! BAN PLZ!!!!

[Lightning Flik 0]

Team Angle Version 2 v. Team Brock: *1/2

 

~ I can see this having about as much chance of getting past two stars as there'll be a 4 star match at SS. But when you've got the world's patheticest wrestler, the greenest newbie, and 500 pounds of flesh on one team, it's going to cause a car wreck. Especially if Team Brock has to carry the offense at any time for long periods of said time. Cena isn't bad, never cared for Holly's style (he's not bad though), and Bradshaw will be there for the clusterfuck quick elimination at least. So not bad, but it will blow.

 

Team Austin v. Team Bischoff: **1/2

 

~ Funny how SD has the better roster, but the weaker workrate teams heading into SS. I think that this will be a much better showing just because you have guys who can actually entertain as they'll have purpose in this tag team match up. The Dudleys aren't bad in a tag team environment (their gimmick on the other hand...) so they'll do the tag team offense, Shawn's can at least play the face in peril or make the Screwjob, Jericho will probably be carrying a lot, X can at least do stuff in a match like this because he's a tag wrestler, Booker T can at least get the crowd jacked for him getting the hot tag, Rob Van Dam can also be the face in peril and spot monkey, Mark Henry can well just be there and make it seem like they don't need a team, and Batista can just be the bad ass.

 

Undertaker v. Vince McMahon: *

 

~ It's a Buried Alive Match. It's Vince F'N McMahon again. Need I say more? Well, I can at least tolerate Taker. That's about it. Match will be awful, but at least it might entertain.

 

Goldberg/HHH: **

 

~ Ok, HHH hasn't been wrestling for a whole month (unless it's been at house shows, and I don't know about that). If he hasn't, this will BOMB, and if he has, it'll be trashy at best. I don't think HHH will win though.

 

Kane/Shane: *

 

~ Ok, their last match was a joke. This time? It'll be worse. I give it a star, because I don't DUD, and maybe because I'm hoping this match won't be as bad as it can get.

 

Molly/Lita: *

 

~ Lita NEVER should've been challenging for the Belt. I know, it's the Woman's Championship, who gives a fuck? But come on, I know they want to change it up from Trish, but LITA??? Lita's a very sloppy spot monkey. If Gail Kim doesn't get another shot, why the hell is Lita?

 

Tajiri/Noble: **1/2 given time. If opener/little time *1/2. If no clusterfuck: ***1/2

 

~ As much as I like cruiserweights, I'm not sure if this will come off as anything more than a clusterfuck. Seriously, I see Tajiri's gang getting involved, Rey, and probably Ultimo. If it's not, it probably will be match of the night. Which doesn't really say much.

 

Bashams/Guerreros: **3/4

 

~ Probably the only other match I could see getting anywhere near ***. Problem is, this will set up the Guerrero feud, so that in its self will knock this match. And considering the Bashams aren't all that as a tag team, it's really going to be hard to say whether this'll be a decent match.

 

 

Well, this one (Survivor Series) will suck.