So, is Trips winning?

[Guest CronoT]

This is the test.  Trip CANNOT win if logical storylines are to be maintained.  If he wins, he moves up even further in the pantheon of the most self-serving wrestlers of all-time.

Up further? I thought he was already at the pinnacle of that infamously distingushed place.

Guess you forgot about the other Triple H, Hollywood Hulk Hogan....

Hogan didn't almost single-handedly ruin the entire wrestling business.

 

Hogan also didn't routinely bite the hand that fed him.

 

Now, am I defending Hogan? Not really. I just don't want Hogan compared to Trips. Even I think that's going a little too far.

[haVoc 0]

Tomorrow Headlines

 

Reason Behind Triple H Victory

 

Word has come in that Triple H was the one who convinced Vince McMahon to put the title back on him as it would keep things fresh and the fans interest in "Anything can happen on live TV."

 

A wrestler in the lockeroom told me the feeling from everyone on the Raw roster was "Triple H playing politics again."

 

Another wrestler told me he thought it was very "untastful and the moral has now dropped to an all time low."

 

1Bob

[Guest Ghettoman]

Tomorrow's headlines should read like this if he wins:

 

"GOTCHA!!!!"

 

"SWERVE!!!!!"

 

With nothing more than a "haha" or "heh" as the actual news.

 

I see it possibly happening, it's set up so it can, I mean if your smart about it you keep the title in the Kane/Goldberg fued to give it some meaning, and anything that betters Trips can't be smart. Once he gets the title back in weasel fashion, he can go over Batista and Orton in his classic "put over" fashion, then return to a Mania fued with Kane or Goldberg, and destroy the beast in epic, semi-over face fashion.

 

Let's hope we get lucky!!! *crosses fingers*

[Enigma 0]

They advertised HHH's return for Vengeance - hence the name "Vengeance" - they expected him to be cleared and ready to wrestle at that time - he wasn't. For legal purposes since he was so clearly advertised for that show, they featured the "Beautiful Day" montage.

They never once said, "HHH will be returning at Vengeance." Not once. He was all over the advertisements, but nobody said with their mouths that he was coming back at the PPV.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I think Triple H will win.

 

No real reason, but I have a feeling. A bad one.

[Guest RollingSambos]

I still hate HHH for eliminating the hardcore and I.C. titles so that all of the focus would be on him and his undisputed WWF/world heavyweight championship...and not RVD or Kane.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

They advertised HHH's return for Vengeance - hence the name "Vengeance" - they expected him to be cleared and ready to wrestle at that time - he wasn't.  For legal purposes since he was so clearly advertised for that show, they featured the "Beautiful Day" montage.

They never once said, "HHH will be returning at Vengeance." Not once. He was all over the advertisements, but nobody said with their mouths that he was coming back at the PPV.

Don't be stupid. They had ads for the PPV, videos for the PPV and radio announcements alluding to HHH being there, along w/ the oft repeated "Beautiful Day" vids on Raw and SD. You're grabbing at straws.

[Guest Goodear]

The IC Title is back and...

 

 

 

It sucks.

 

Surprise.

[Guest Besus]

No........DUH

 

Kane Will ruin the damn match.There are always run-ins in Raw Main-Events.

[Guest RollingSambos]

First off, the IC title hasn't been THAT bad this time around (no Chyna or Albert or Road Dogg or Godfather), and I think that Orton will make a great IC champ. I mean, since a lot smarks think only Rocky's run in 1998 constitutes a good IC title run, you guys should be very pleased with how Orton holds it.

[Guest Besus]

*Waits for negative Randy Orton comments*

[buffybeast 0]

I still hate HHH for eliminating the hardcore and I.C. titles so that all of the focus would be on him and his undisputed WWF/world heavyweight championship...and not RVD or Kane.

Was Trips behind the elimination of those belts? I thought it was a group decision. I don't recall reading anything about Trips being instrumental in the demise of the IC and HC belts.

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Screw Rocky's IC title run and the Honky Tonk Man. I still say Mr. Perfect's run with the belt was the best. Both times since Von Erich's run hardly counts.

[Guest RollingSambos]

The only bad thing that they can say about him is that he's still green...which is true, but I find even his current ring work to be perfectly acceptable. And you can see the improvement if you look.

 

And as far as people saying that he isn't convincing as a cocky blue chipper in his promos...they're just delusional with their Orton hatred. Not only is his body language and facial expression NATURALLY arrogant, he was very cool and laid-back in his commentary on Monday...which is more convincing to me than an over-the-top portrayal of arrogance ala Lex Luger or Buff Bagwell. Orton's conceit is more real.

 

It reminds me of that old argument about whether or not Brock had heat back in 2002...remember that one? Anyone who was anti-Brock claimed to hear crickets chirping when he came out.

 

The problem with the smark community is that once they decide to get on someone's back, they won't get off until he has a **** 1/2 match. Now I'll agree that Orton sucked the big one during his days as J.R.'s golden boy, but I've seen the vast improvement since that time and I am willing to be open-minded and accept him as a future superstar.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Screw Rocky's IC title run and the Honky Tonk Man. I still say Mr. Perfect's run with the belt was the best. Both times since Von Erich's run hardly counts.

Randy Savage's run was the best. He was easily the number two star in the promotion and many people think that his drawing power at the time was almost as good as Hogan's. He also had the best blowoff to end his run of any IC Champion ever.

[Guest Megatron]

I think that Orton will make a great IC champ.

I think he'd make a mediocre Champ, at best. Christian all over again.

[Guest Megatron]

Screw Rocky's IC title run and the Honky Tonk Man. I still say Mr. Perfect's run with the belt was the best. Both times since Von Erich's run hardly counts.

Randy Savage's run was the best. He was easily the number two star in the promotion and many people think that his drawing power at the time was almost as good as Hogan's. He also had the best blowoff to end his run of any IC Champion ever.

When's the last time you could say that the IC Champ was the second highest draw in the company? Besides, isn't the IC Champ supposed to be the #1 contender based solely on the fact that they hold the second highest belt? I know that in WCW the US Champ was the #1 contender. I think that this would add a lot of value to the belt if they treated the Champ as such.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

They never once said, "HHH will be returning at Vengeance." Not once. He was all over the advertisements, but nobody said with their mouths that he was coming back at the PPV.

 

So? Courts not only rule on literal meaning but "general impression" as well when dealing with Advertising. I should know, I just had a test on it in Marketing Law 45 minutes ago

[AndrewTS 0]

I think that Orton will make a great IC champ.

I think he'd make a mediocre Champ, at best. Christian all over again.

How so?

 

When Christian won the title, even the announcers treated it as completely meaningless. Christian got very little mic time, and when he was he was being overshadowed in segments with other guys.

 

If Orton won the IC title, they'd probably make a big deal about it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The IC title is and will always be worthless. It hasn't had value for a decade.

[Guest Goodear]

Personally if it was me, I would slap the tag belts on Orton and Batista (or Orton/Flair for that matter) and maybe jumpstart that divsion a bit. They've already got a ready made feud with Jyndrak/Cade and have had enough time with The Dudleyz to have room there as well. Then you move some of Triple H's normal foes that way and you have a much healthier division.

[haVoc 0]

Screw Rocky's IC title run and the Honky Tonk Man. I still say Mr. Perfect's run with the belt was the best. Both times since Von Erich's run hardly counts.

Randy Savage's run was the best. He was easily the number two star in the promotion and many people think that his drawing power at the time was almost as good as Hogan's. He also had the best blowoff to end his run of any IC Champion ever.

That's true, but I don't remember Savage having as many good matches as Hennig did as IC champion. Also, I agree with Savage/Steamboat blow off match, but Perfect/Bret was nothing to sneeze at either.

[Guest BillyTheStud]

[Guest Megatron]

Personally if it was me, I would slap the tag belts on Orton and Batista (or Orton/Flair for that matter) and maybe jumpstart that divsion a bit. They've already got a ready made feud with Jyndrak/Cade and have had enough time with The Dudleyz to have room there as well. Then you move some of Triple H's normal foes that way and you have a much healthier division.

Now THIS, I can live with. I think I'd like him a whole lot more if he was in a tag-team. At least then he'd have enough time to be able to develop his in-ring more since he won't have all the pressure on just him. My major gripe with him is his matches have no story to them, no drama. To me, he's just an all-around boring guy. Nothing he's done has made me say "He's a better speaker than worker." or vice versa. No, to me, all I think whenever he comes up is "He's generally below-average at everything." Maybe if he'd get into a tag-team, he'll be able to surpass my earlier opinions. Some guys aren't meant to be solo.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Is Trips winning? Is water wet?

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Was Trips behind the elimination of those belts? I thought it was a group decision. I don't recall reading anything about Trips being instrumental in the demise of the IC and HC belts.

 

From what I remember when Lensar moved over to SD the plan was to make the IC title the main belt on RAW. But, HHH thought he was to big for the belt so they made the World belt for him.

[buffybeast 0]

Was Trips behind the elimination of those belts? I thought it was a group decision. I don't recall reading anything about Trips being instrumental in the demise of the IC and HC belts.

 

From what I remember when Lensar moved over to SD the plan was to make the IC title the main belt on RAW. But, HHH thought he was to big for the belt so they made the World belt for him.

That I do remember. But I didn't know that in creating the world belt he requested the IC belt to be eliminated as well. Guess you learn something new every day.

[Guest RollingSambos]

Only a handful of IC champs have actually used the IC title as a direct stepping stone to the WWF title.

 

Bret, Rock, HHH, Savage, Warrior, Angle...you could argue Jericho, but he had to hold it like 1,004 times before he was the undisputed champ. Same with Shawn. Diesel went almost immediately from IC to WWF champ, but how shitty was his reign?

 

Holding the IC title never led anywhere for Honky Tonk, Perfect, Steamboat, Benoit...a lot of great IC champs.

 

Basically, the belt started going down the tubes not when they stopped using it as a direct stepping stone to the WWF championship, but when they started to give it to shitty wrestlers with NO CHANCE of ever winning the WWF championship...A-Train, Chyna, The Godfather, Goldust, Chyna, etc.

 

Orton is a future WWF champ (mark my words) and he is going to hang onto that thing forever once he gets it (once again, mark my words), so he's a great choice.