Who needs goldberg?

[Guest humongous2002]

The way Lesnar is being push reminds me a lot when Goldberg broke into WCW. But the difference in this case is that Lesnar has an amateur wrestling background and on top of that he is hungry ready to put his body on the line so he could become a main eventer.It'll take time to find out if he's got the heart for wrestling like Angle but so far he has prove to everybody in the WWF that he's going to be the next breakout star and future main eventer.

Goldberg never gave a crap about the wrestling biz he even said it himself he only did it for the money. He really doesn't care about the wrestling fans unless it's something that could put his picture in the papers .So he needs him we got something better in Lesnar.

[Guest muzanisa]

I kind of missed the whole Goldberg thing. I got bored with the same match time and time again. It will be interesting to see what happens when Brock meets the main eventers. I reckon they're already petitioning Vince over who stops  the streak.

It's always interesting when you've got someone in there who didn't grow up loving wrestling. Sting didn't but you can't fault his career, Angle's done great but would he be there if he had the Rock's outside interests? Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg on the other hand always seemed happy to take the money and enjoy the media attention but ultimately both were very disappointing.

Basically I think Goldberg is finished at this point.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

My guess is that Lesnar will get a push like Goldberg did, with some lengthy winning streak or something.  It might be harder to pull off considering there are fewer wrestlers on RAW and I doubt the WWF would stick to something for over a year.  They'll probably rush him like they've been rushing everything else lately. I like the fact that he has Heyman as his manag..agent, since its been ages since a wrestler had a manag..agent in their corner at ringside, although in this case Lesnar probably doesnt need his manag..agent to intefere and help him win.  If the WWF is going to rush him, they might as well have him win the King of the Ring and wrestle for the title at the July PPV or something.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I just hope that someone of his size and amateur background  throws a ton of wicked suplexes and throws like Gary Albright used to. If his moveset is more varied than Goldberg's I'll be happy and see him becoming a supestar fast.

[Guest]

Howcome Goldberg still dosent get credit for having a shitload of moves. Yes he won about 5000000000000 matches with the Spear/Jackhammer combo, but doesnt anyone remember his 5 submission holds, and his variations on powerslams, and pumphandle slams? That gives him like 10 moves,Thats more than any current superstar can claim.

[Guest Singular]

I thought I was reading somewhere about Brock doing a Shooting Star Press.  Now that would be impressive.

[Guest swan]

He also did time paying his dues on the indie scene. The guy has the in-ring skills.

[Guest Ripper]

But am I not the only one that didn't expect to see blood spewing from his face after that Jeff Hardy char shot.. Chair shots usually come on top of the head...It looked like Brock forgot to dip his head and got his in the face.

[Guest Some Guy]

I think Jeff fucked up the chair shot, he hit him with the back (the part you lean on when its un-folded).  The only problem I can see with Lesnar is that he will always be compared to Goldberg, he may be and probably is better, but the camparisons are and will continue to label him as a copy.

[Guest The Winslow]

Ok, please answer this for someone who lacks an encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling manuevers.  What the hell is that move that Lesner was shown doing last night?  Something like holding someone for an airplane spin, flipping them off the shoulders in a perpindicular quarter circle around the front and then falling backward as the opponent makes a face first full body smash into the mat? That sumnabitch did that to Rikishi for gods sake!  I mean, the man is built like a frigging tank so I ain't suprised when he triple powerbombs a Hardy or Spike Dudley, but he was whipping Rikishi around like he was a Samoan Cruiserweight!

[Guest Some Guy]

Ok, please answer this for someone who lacks an encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling manuevers.  What the hell is that move that Lesner was shown doing last night?  Something like holding someone for an airplane spin, flipping them off the shoulders in a perpindicular quarter circle around the front and then falling backward as the opponent makes a face first full body smash into the mat?

I would just call it "a fireman's carry DDT" until WWF tells me diffenent.  BTW Sean O'Hare did the move before Lesnar, the Raw where ECW invaded he hit Bradshaw with it perfectly.

[Guest swan]

Ok, please answer this for someone who lacks an encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling manuevers.  What the hell is that move that Lesner was shown doing last night?  Something like holding someone for an airplane spin, flipping them off the shoulders in a perpindicular quarter circle around the front and then falling backward as the opponent makes a face first full body smash into the mat?

I would just call it "a fireman's carry DDT" until WWF tells me diffenent.  BTW Sean O'Hare did the move before Lesnar, the Raw where ECW invaded he hit Bradshaw with it perfectly.

Lenser could of done the move in HWA or OVW before O'Hare ever saw it.

[Guest swan]

The way Lesnar is being push reminds me a lot when Goldberg broke into WCW.

I'd have to disagree. When "Bill Goldberg" broke into WCW he was a nobody. No entrance music, no hype, no nothing. He was just another prelim bum before the NWO would show-up. At the time WCW was critized for not being able to develope its own stars and how WCW turned this guy into a star, I still don't know.

 

Lesnar is getting one of those pushes that only happen very rarely.

[Guest Risk]

At the time WCW was critized for not being able to develope its own stars and how WCW turned this guy into a star, I still don't know.

 

The pipped in "Goldberg" chants and gave him a monster push.

[Guest]

Goldberg got over because he was a physical speciman.  He was a phenom.  

 

Now, for Brock Lesnar, I would let him get his undefeated angle going and then in June of 2003 a certain mecca of wrestling becomes a free agent and they can go for the killer angle of Goldberg -vs- Lesnar at Summerslam 2003 or they can build it (yeah right, WWF BUILD something?) to WM 20 in 2004.

 

Imagine 9 months of Goldberg and Lesnar trying to get at each other only to be given side feuds to throw them off.  Have it culminate in 2004 at Wrestlemania and it would be money.  

 

All I know is that the group of guys that I watch RAW on Monday's with are already screaming for Goldberg to come back just to fight Lesnar.  It would draw so much money it is silly.

[Guest]

Lensar and the RVD vs Eddy feud is the only reason I watch RAW.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Goldberg got over because he was a physical speciman.  He was a phenom.>>>

 

 

And because he was allowed to annihilate anybody he faced.  

 

 

<<<Now, for Brock Lesnar, I would let him get his undefeated angle going and then in June of 2003 a certain mecca of wrestling becomes a free agent and they can go for the killer angle of Goldberg -vs- Lesnar at Summerslam 2003 or they can build it (yeah right, WWF BUILD something?) to WM 20 in 2004.>>>

 

 

"Mecca of wrestling"?

 

Goldberg isn't even a Waffle House of Wrestling.

 

 

<<<Imagine 9 months of Goldberg and Lesnar trying to get at each other only to be given side feuds to throw them off.>>>

 

 

Stop it---you're scaring me. Great, I'm twitching now. Thanks.

 

 

<<<Have it culminate in 2004 at Wrestlemania and it would be money.  >>>

 

 

Of course, EVERYTHING tends to be money at WM. I'm just wondering how they'll cover up GB's horrible flaws and that Lesnar, with FAR less experience, could probably outwork GB in his sleep.

 

 

<<<All I know is that the group of guys that I watch RAW on Monday's with are already screaming for Goldberg to come back just to fight Lesnar.  It would draw so much money it is silly. >>>

 

 

Well, I'll agree on the silly part.

 

Money?

 

Well, if GB can draw money, he did a bang-up job of not doing so for a few years.

 

GB is the Ultimate Warrior of this crop of fans.

                 -=Mike

[Guest]

Goldberg can draw more than Benoit, Jericho, Storm, or any other of the internet "wrestlers".

[Guest]

Lenser could of done the move in HWA or OVW before O'Hare ever saw it.

I recall him doing that move in WCW before he came to the WWF.

[Guest Downhome]

I thought I was reading somewhere about Brock doing a Shooting Star Press.  Now that would be impressive.

 

If they allow Brock to do that right now, he'll be an INSTANT face, ala, RVD. The fans love those things that just are insane and new, and seeing a guy like Lesnar would be just that. Hell, the majority of the fans would more than likely crap their pants if he did that on TV.

[Guest Lil Naitch]

They'll save the SSP for a pay-per-view for maximum impact.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Brock Lesnar is one of the best things going for the WWF right now.  He's better than Goldberg, and an absolute beast.  It was awesome watching him destroy the Hardy Girlz last week, and I can't believe he took those viscious chair shots last night.  He should get a winning streak, but it should be broken around Summerslam time.  I feel he should win King of the Ring though, if he's built up well by then.....

[Guest humongous2002]

THE BROCK is a million times better than Goldberg.Those stiff chairshots he tooked on RAW showed me he's got what t takes to make it to the top. Goldberg used to take medical leaves because he broke a nail when he punched through a car's window.lol

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Goldberg can draw more than Benoit, Jericho, Storm, or any other of the internet "wrestlers". "

 

Storm obviously can't draw shit, but Benoit and Jericho have done way better buyrates on PPVs they headlined than Goldberg ever did, IIRC. The Goldberg/Steiner "money" feud did a 0.15 buyrate.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Goldberg can draw more than Benoit, Jericho, Storm, or any other of the internet "wrestlers". >>>

 

 

Then, uh, why DIDN'T he after 1999?

 

You can't really point to big houses, ratings, or buyrates after 1999.

 

GB was a flash in the pan.

 

He's Warrior.

                  -=Mike

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Goldberg never gave a crap about the wrestling biz he even said it himself he only did it for the money. He really doesn't care about the wrestling fans unless it's something that could put his picture in the papers .So he needs him we got something better in Lesnar.

So, if all he cares about is money, why not hire him and squash him to Lesnar while he has draw?

 

EDIT As for the fantasy booking, I call Goldberg vs Austin at Summerslam 2003, and Goldberg vs Lesnar at WM20.

[Guest DieCastGod]

Brock Lesner is Vince's way of telling Goldberg why do I need you when can create my own "Goldberg".

 

Besides if Goldberg waits out his whole contract, its back to square one because it will take six months for the casual fans to remember who he is.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I think Goldberg has a better look than Lesnar. I liked watching Goldberg when he first came on the scene, but his act kind of grew old after a while. I am glad that Lesnar will only be given one day a week to come on tv, because it gives you something to look forward to on RAW each week. I think wrestling has lacked that ever since they expanded to all of the shows that they have on now. Even a show like Jakked is important now because if you missed RAW, you can't watch Smackdown and see what happened a couple of days later. I missed RAW because I was at a protest, but I am looking forward to watching it the next time it comes on.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

So what's next on the agenda from Brock, to punk out Lita?

[Guest dreamer420]

I like Lesnar's look.  When he was in the ring with the Hardy's they were all about the same height but Lesnar is just a ripped monster.  They need to give him an actual televised match now, although they could be waiting until Backlash, where he will kill the Hardy's in a handicap match.