Who needs goldberg?

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I have to say this much, Goldberg wasn't as bad in the ring as people make him out to be. He may have hurt people with his moves but at least they looked good. If they hurt people and looked bad, there would be a bigger problem. Out of curiosity who has he hurt besides Bret? As far as his moveset, I think he might have had more than we got to see. Of the things he had, I would rather see that stuff than any of the Rock's crap.

[Guest]

So your saying if the feud was Benoit vs Steiner, with the same exact storyline, that it would draw more than Goldberg vs Steiner?

[Guest humongous2002]

Goldberg was already almost 4 years as a wrestler and he was still green like it was his debut match when he wrestle Bret Hart back in Starrcade.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I liked Goldberg. He was a beast. He is a lot stronger than people give him credit for too. Also, he looked at wrestling like a business, which is should be looked at like, and that is why a lot of people said "He doesn't care about the business." In all reality, it seems to have worked out better. He didn't mind doing "jobs" he just did what he was told. The crowd took to him, so they gave him a mega-push. He had "the look." I miss Goldberg.

 

Brock Lesnar has yet to have a match in the WWF, so I have yet to see him wrestle. I am not impressed by run-in's or by a 300lb man slathering Spike Dudley or the Hardy Boyz. I could throw them rag dolls around. It was impressive to see him pick up Rikishi with ease, but I saw Goldberg give the Jackhammer to The Giant with one arm.

 

I'm not impressed w/ Lesnar yet, and I would rather have Goldberg. Goldberg has name & star power. Lesnar has Heyman in his corner, so he is definatly heading in the right direction, though if he is to be established as a monster he should be targeting more people like Rikishi to show off his power, or babyfaces that the fans actually care about.

[Guest humongous2002]

What are you talking about that he didn't mind doing jobs? Goldberg once refused to have an angle with Jericho b/c he thought Jericho wasn't on his league. Now I understand wrestling is a business like any other job but right now Goldberg is wasting his time talking bad about the business that made him famous .

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Plain & simple: Jericho wasn't in his league. He was a cruiserweight running around with some fat toothless male manager by his side.

 

Bottom Line: No matter what you say, you won't sway my opinion of Goldberg. He was entertaining to me, on the screen and that is all that matters. I could give a flying fuck in hell what happens backstage. I could care less if Scott Hall is a drunk, or if Kurt Angle got married or if Test is getting heat. Backstage slop should stay backstage, it wasn't meant for me, as a fan, to know or dwell over.

 

Case closed. There is no retaliation. I like Goldberg, you don't. Period.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

if you don't care about backstage stuff then why are you here? (just wondering)

[Guest Cataclysm911]

To speak my mind on wrestling? Perhaps to pass time. Maybe a little of both. Perhaps I like intellectual arguements. Why should it matter? I'm here, that's what matters. Not everyone's opinions can be the same.

 

Also, are you saying that you shouldn't be a registered member here if you don't care about backstage politics? The way I see it, most of the posters are probably just wrestler wannabe's anyway, so they have to have something to bitch about. I just feel that if they bitched about on air antics only the arguements and such would be more justified.

 

Plus, I like reading different opinions on matches and such. This board has a lot of traffic, so it gives more opinions quickly as opposed to another board that would have less members, which in conclusion would have less opinions.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

No, I was just asking, not trying to start anything.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

When I see Lesnar wrestle an actual match that lasts more than a couple of minutes, then I might kiss his ass in the forums.  Until then, he's just another monstrous guy with funny facial expressions who kicks little guys asses.  You might as well call him The Undertaker.

[Guest El Satanico]

Goldberg looked good in the ring? I must've missed those matches then. He always looked sloppy and everytime he did something he just looked dangerous and not in a good way, but dangerous as in all his moves made it look like he was on the verge of badly injuring the other guy. He looked like a strong guy that doesn't know how strong he really is not like a monster wrestler.

 

We are missing nothing with Coldbeer not being on TV. However i'd like to see him try out UFC like he wanted to do but WCW wouldnt let him. I don't want to see him do it because i think he'll be good. I want to see him do it because it would be a good laugh when he gets beat by some small guy.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i wouldn't mind goldberg coming back i didn't hate goldberg but i'm not his biggest fan, i think he's bad in the ring but the fans love him.

[Guest imajackoff?]

Do all the trashing of Goldberg that you want.  Heavens knows that I did for about two yrs. straight.  But, a Goldberg/Austin or, if built right, Goldberg/Lesner match would = $$$$.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Do all the trashing of Goldberg that you want.  Heavens knows that I did for about two yrs. straight.  But, a Goldberg/Austin or, if built right, Goldberg/Lesner match would = $$$$.

If I'm Austin, a guy with lingering neck injuries, knee problems, and a generally broken-down body, and the bookers are asking me to face Golberg, a guy with not only a history of sloppiness and inflicting injury, but repeated incidents of unprofesional behavoir, including challenging me to fight him, I'm pulling the hell out of dodge and giving them the finger.

 

To me, Golberg's ability to draw was killed by Hogan, Nash, and all the other parasites of WCW past. I think a feud with Austin could draw, but as I tried to point out above, there's a few problems that would have to be worked out first, to say the least. Oh, and Lesnar hasn't really been established as anything yet, so putting him against Golberg might be a bit excessive, don't you think?

[Guest El Satanico]

Yes i will always continue to bash Coldbeer. I never liked that piece of shit from the first time i saw him. Now the question is...why are you suddenly now not "bashing" him if you have done it for two years?

 

I don't give a fuck about how much money the matches COULD make. My name isn't Vincent Mcmahon and i don't have any stake in the company, so why on earth should i care about how much money they make off a match?

 

Goldberg is a average wrestler on a good day. And a sloppy on the verge of dangerous waste of ring space the rest of the time. And any match he has been in has been pure shite. WWF hiring him will be a waste of money in the long run and just may piss off the entire locker room more then they are already pissed over nWo returning. Yeah i'm sure all those guys that are being asked to sign new contracts for less money are going to be happy if Vince then went and got Goldberg who you know will cost Vince a few million.

 

Goldberg would end up being more trouble then he is worth and for what...3 maybe 4 "money matches".

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

everybody said that the invasion would generate money matfches. it didn't. goldberg wouldn't be the same in the wwf because he wouldn't be allowed to destroy all the talent in the fed like he did in wcw.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I don't give a fuck about how much money the matches COULD make. My name isn't Vincent Mcmahon and i don't have any stake in the company, so why on earth should i care about how much money they make off a match?

 

Goldberg is a average wrestler on a good day. And a sloppy on the verge of dangerous waste of ring space the rest of the time. And any match he has been in has been pure shite. WWF hiring him will be a waste of money in the long run and just may piss off the entire locker room more then they are already pissed over nWo returning. Yeah i'm sure all those guys that are being asked to sign new contracts for less money are going to be happy if Vince then went and got Goldberg who you know will cost Vince a few million.

 

Goldberg would end up being more trouble then he is worth and for what...3 maybe 4 "money matches".

1) The amount of money the company makes off of a match determines whether or not it will happen, or how far the company will go to make it happen. What do you think Rock/Hogan was? The possibility of booking a big match like that was probably one of the main reasons Hogan was hired, and booking Golberg in a money match could affect whether or not he should be hired to, and since you're taking the time to discuss whether or not he'll have a job in the future, you might as well consider all the sides of the arguement before launching into the cheesy "I don't give a fuck" mode.

 

2) Golberg was never a good worker, but he was a huge megastar at the levle (or even above that) of anyone else at the time, including Austin. Yes, at times he was dangerous (nearly dropping everyone on their head, ending Bret's career, ect.) but one must acknowledge that he was incredibly over, which does factor into his value to a wrestling company, believe it or not. He also showed signs of potential in some of his matches, Vs. DDP from Havok '98 being the best example. He never really capitalized on that, but calling everything he's ever been a part of shite is a bit much. Yeah, hiring him would hurt the already damaged locker room, I'll give you that much, especially with him and Triple H nearly getting in a fist fight on more than one occasion already.

 

3) Vince seems to be very dilusional about what it means to keep "the boys" happy, especially with the nWo, so I'm not sure any possibilities of locker room problems would keep Vince from blowing his load on a possible Golberg/Austin match. Golberg has said he has no intention of signing with them, but money talks, and Vince is getting pretty desperate/senile these days when it comes to signing wrestlers for WAY more than they're worth (see: Nash, Kevin).

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I am not impressed by run-in's or by a 300lb man slathering Spike Dudley or the Hardy Boyz. I could throw them rag dolls around.

 

I doubt that seriously.

 

I don't give a fuck about how much money the matches COULD make. My name isn't Vincent Mcmahon and i don't have any stake in the company, so why on earth should i care about how much money they make off a match?

 

If they make money, they continue to exist.

 

Goldberg looked good in the ring? I must've missed those matches then.

 

I guess you missed him getting over too.

 

Goldberg is a average wrestler on a good day. And a sloppy on the verge of dangerous waste of ring space the rest of the time. And any match he has been in has been pure shite. WWF hiring him will be a waste of money in the long run and just may piss off the entire locker room more then they are already pissed over nWo returning.

 

Goldberg would end up being more trouble then he is worth and for what...3 maybe 4 "money matches".

 

I can't say that I agree opening the safe and throwing around money to new guys, but in 98 whose picture did you see across from Austin's in all of those dream match magazines? Not Hogan's. Not Hall's. Not Sting's. Not Nash. The dream match everyone wanted was Goldberg versus Stone Cold, not the NWO versus the Stone Cold or the Rock versus the NWO. I think Austin and Goldberg's aura of invincibility and cutting edge feeling have both been hurt along with general public interest in wrestling. This feud would have been a no brainer in '98 or '99 or even in 2000 when Goldberg was one of the few people over in WCW. If the WWF is goingto have this feud, they have to make sure people haven't forgotten Godlber and they need to make sure he is ripped like he was when he first ame on the scene. I remember being floored by his physique as well as the way he could jackhammer someone as big as the Giant and hold the guy up there for so long. That's stuff you mark out for. They need to reintroduce him to the public eye so that the feud could garner public interest.

[Guest humongous2002]

Damn!!! Some people are too sensitive about Goldberg in this room, but the fact is the man doesn't give two shits about wrestling or the fans. And what kind of crap is that about Jericho not being on Goldberg's league??!! You know whoever said that is right if being in Goldberg's league means stinking up the ring by just doing a spear and a jackhammer. Jericho has more talent in his pinky than Goldberg has in his whole body.

[Guest]

When exactly did the spear and jackhammer become bad moves? Just because he doesn't do submissions and put on technical matches doesn't make him a bad wrestler.

 

I also don't really care if Goldberg cares about the business or not. That's the other wrestlers problems, not mine.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

When exactly did the spear and jackhammer become bad moves? Just because he doesn't do submissions and put on technical matches doesn't make him a bad wrestler.

You're right. Horrendous selling, sloppy ring-work, and failure to learn anything make him a bad wrestler.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Damn!!! Some people are too sensitive about Goldberg in this room, but the fact is the man doesn't give two shits about wrestling or the fans.

 

I never disputed the fact that he doesn't care about the wrestling business and I have bashed Goldberg before too. I think the guy is a hypocrite and a moron, but this thread isn't about that.

 

And what kind of crap is that about Jericho not being on Goldberg's league??!!

 

During the time that was said, Goldberg was either in the Main Event picture or soon to be in the Main Event picture while Jericho was still in the midcard doing cruiserweight matches. I believe that comment was more about Jericho's credibilty against Goldberg (who was an undefeated no-seller at the time) than his actual talent and ability. I don't neccessarily agree with it, but it does hold some truth to it. Hurricane Helms is a good wrestler and people liked his comedy stuff, but would you put him in a feud with Brock Lesnar if you are trying to puish Lesnar as an invincible, ass-kicking machine? You would have either had Lesnar destroy him to maintain his ass-kicking machine aura or had to take away some of his invincibility to make the feud somewhat credible at the time.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Do all the trashing of Goldberg that you want.  Heavens knows that I did for about two yrs. straight.  But, a Goldberg/Austin or, if built right, Goldberg/Lesner match would = $$$$. >>>

 

 

Ah, THAT old caveat.

 

Hint: ANY match "built right" = $$$.

                               -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<1) The amount of money the company makes off of a match determines whether or not it will happen, or how far the company will go to make it happen. What do you think Rock/Hogan was? The possibility of booking a big match like that was probably one of the main reasons Hogan was hired, and booking Golberg in a money match could affect whether or not he should be hired to, and since you're taking the time to discuss whether or not he'll have a job in the future, you might as well consider all the sides of the arguement before launching into the cheesy "I don't give a fuck" mode.>>>

 

 

But, if he doesn't care about money (which none of us should), then why should he care? His only concern (as it should be for all of us) is "What will be fun to watch?". GB is not that.

 

 

<<<2) Golberg was never a good worker, but he was a huge megastar at the levle (or even above that) of anyone else at the time, including Austin.>>>

 

 

That is laughable. In 1998, yes, GB was big. As big as Austin? Good lord, no. He wasn't even close. Heck, Mankind was a better draw.

 

And, you seem to forget, AFTER 1998, he was well behind numerous people. After his first loss, his heat went bye-bye as did his drawing prowess.

 

 

<<<Yes, at times he was dangerous (nearly dropping everyone on their head, ending Bret's career, ect.) but one must acknowledge that he was incredibly over, which does factor into his value to a wrestling company, believe it or not.>>>

 

 

Being over is the most overrated thing in the world. Drawing money is what counts. Did GB, in the end, MAKE WCW money? No, he COST them. His salary was never off-set by the money he brought in. He brought in LESS than he cost---thus, he was not good for business.

 

 

<<<He also showed signs of potential in some of his matches, Vs. DDP from Havok '98 being the best example. He never really capitalized on that, but calling everything he's ever been a part of shite is a bit much.>>>

 

 

Kevin Nash had a few good matches in his life. Doesn't make him a good wrestler by any stretch of the imagination.

 

 

<<<Yeah, hiring him would hurt the already damaged locker room, I'll give you that much, especially with him and Triple H nearly getting in a fist fight on more than one occasion already.>>>

 

 

Then why do it? A guy who is not a proven draw, who doesn't really like the business, who is sloppy, and who is a head case does not quite seem like my model employee.

 

 

<<<3) Vince seems to be very dilusional about what it means to keep "the boys" happy, especially with the nWo, so I'm not sure any possibilities of locker room problems would keep Vince from blowing his load on a possible Golberg/Austin match. Golberg has said he has no intention of signing with them, but money talks, and Vince is getting pretty desperate/senile these days when it comes to signing wrestlers for WAY more than they're worth (see: Nash, Kevin). >>>

 

 

Absolutely. You never go broke underestimating Vince's intellect.

                -=Mike

[Guest dreamer420]

I didn't mind Goldberg so much.  I marked out huge when he pinned Hogan for the title.  I think the retarded heel turn he did when he joined with Russo and Bischoff put his career into a downward spiral.  Shortly after that he turned face again, and was involved in the great WCW shoot angles which were notoriously bad.  Given the fact that he would be working for Vince McMahon and will have to keep his ego in check, I wouldn't be against him coming to the wwf to work programs with Austin, Rock, HHH, Hogan, and Lesnar.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

But, if he doesn't care about money (which none of us should), then why should he care? His only concern (as it should be for all of us) is "What will be fun to watch?". GB is not that.

 

 

That is laughable. In 1998, yes, GB was big. As big as Austin? Good lord, no. He wasn't even close. Heck, Mankind was a better draw.

 

And, you seem to forget, AFTER 1998, he was well behind numerous people. After his first loss, his heat went bye-bye as did his drawing prowess.

 

Being over is the most overrated thing in the world. Drawing money is what counts. Did GB, in the end, MAKE WCW money? No, he COST them. His salary was never off-set by the money he brought in. He brought in LESS than he cost---thus, he was not good for business.

 

Kevin Nash had a few good matches in his life. Doesn't make him a good wrestler by any stretch of the imagination.

1) If you want to pretend that money doesn't matter in pro wrestling, go ahead. This debate isn't about what I would *like* to see, it's about what I'll probably end up seeing, so whether or not I enjoy Golberg as a wrestler really isn't important. If Vince thinks Golberg/Austin will draw, he'll probably want to make it happen, whether or not it actually will. Whether or not I want to see that match has no affect on whether or not it will happen, and the only thing that does is whether or not Vince thinks it will be good for business. As a fan of the WWF, whether or not they make money does matter to me, believe it or not.

 

2) Golberg was bigger than Austin in some ways. The idea that he was as over as he was without the huge storyline and character that Austin had really speaks for how much his intensity and look got him over. A lot of his popularity can be attributed to how strong WCW was at the time, and how much the fans wanted something besides the nWo to watch for once, but the fact is he was one of the top stars in the wrestling business. Just watch Hogan/Golberg from the Georgia Dome and try to tell me that guy wasn't a megastar.

 

He did lose a ton of momentum after his first loss, and he wasn't drawing anymore durring WCW's final sprint, but then again neither was Hall, neither was Nash, and neither was Hogan. Did it stop them from being signed? Of course not. Do you really think after signing them, Vince is thinking about how much drawing power Golberg still has? If anything, he remembers the the chants he got durring the Raw/Nitro simo-cast, not how his drawing power was killed by politics and bad management.

 

Yes, in the end, Golberg was a money-loser, but he did draw and put buts in the seats, despite how overpayed he was. Drawing money is more important than drawing cheers, but if handled properly, Golberg could draw huge money for the WWF, and Vince knows it. The *potential* for huge business is what Golberg has, and it could get him a job if he wanted one. He is a nutcase, a walking injury case, and unprofesional in many ways, but at this point those are the last things on the management's minds.

 

3) Nash has had a career spanning nearly two decades that has been ridden with bad matches (and a few passable, even good ones) while Golberg showed some potential about two years into his career that lasted all of about five. I never said Golberg was good in the ring, I just said there's a difference between those two.

[Guest muzanisa]

Never liked Goldberg and think his time has come and gone.

 

In his defence on the Jericho thing. After the Hockey game they were both at recently Goldberg apparently went up to Jericho and apologised for not working with him. He blamed Kevin Nash getting in his ear by saying that working with such a small guy would make him look weak. Goldeberg was reported to have said that he understood that he was manipulated by people in the locker room but only realised in hindsight.

I read this in the Observer I while back.

[Guest]

There have been 4 wrestlers that have made it mainstream big time, and they are Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin, and Goldberg.  

 

No one could have drawn in WCW at the end.  The mighty Rock would have spiked ratings for two weeks and then they would have went down.  Austin a little bit more than Rock, but just because he had a natural feud with Goldberg.  

 

If I am seeing things correctly, Hulk Hogan is far and away the biggest draw in the WWF today.  His shirt sells are dwarfing all others in the WWF right now.  His segments are the top ratings draws.  He has made Rock and HHH into temporary heels because of his presence.

 

And in March when Vince McMahon was listing off names of former WCWers, including Hogan, Luger, Bagwell, Booker T, Big Poppa Pump, etc...the fans gave them all mild reactions and started numerous Goldberg chants with them getting so loud Vince had to break script and say his name.  The pop his name got was the biggest pop of the night, and it was not even close.  

 

To this day you still read about Goldberg chants during TV and in dark matches.  

 

So don't sit there and tell me about how Goldberg wouldn't draw in the WWF.  The reason he didn't draw, nor Hogan or a select few others, at the end of WCW was because fans wanted them in the WWF.  If Goldberg shows up on a PPV and is announced to make an appearance on Raw the night, I guarantee you it will be the highest rated show in WWF's history with TNN.  No question.

 

Goldberg is the shit.  He is like the Lakers or the Yankees, everyone talks shit about how they are overated and boring, but when they are on the big stage everyone takes notice and everyone watches.

 

Bottom Line

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<1) If you want to pretend that money doesn't matter in pro wrestling, go ahead. This debate isn't about what I would *like* to see, it's about what I'll probably end up seeing, so whether or not I enjoy Golberg as a wrestler really isn't important. If Vince thinks Golberg/Austin will draw, he'll probably want to make it happen, whether or not it actually will. Whether or not I want to see that match has no affect on whether or not it will happen, and the only thing that does is whether or not Vince thinks it will be good for business. As a fan of the WWF, whether or not they make money does matter to me, believe it or not.>>>

 

 

And it doesn't for me at all. If the WWF makes millions and churns out crap, I won't be happy for them.

 

 

<<<2) Golberg was bigger than Austin in some ways. The idea that he was as over as he was without the huge storyline and character that Austin had really speaks for how much his intensity and look got him over. A lot of his popularity can be attributed to how strong WCW was at the time, and how much the fans wanted something besides the nWo to watch for once, but the fact is he was one of the top stars in the wrestling business. Just watch Hogan/Golberg from the Georgia Dome and try to tell me that guy wasn't a megastar.>>>

 

 

Austin drew better attendance numbers, ratings, higher buyrates, and outsold him in terms of merchandise by a frightening margin.

 

And Austin has done it for YEARS---Goldberg burned out in 1999.

 

 

<<<He did lose a ton of momentum after his first loss, and he wasn't drawing anymore durring WCW's final sprint, but then again neither was Hall, neither was Nash, and neither was Hogan. Did it stop them from being signed? Of course not. >>>

 

 

And all 3 were bad signings---Nash moreso than the others. Hogan et al haven't improved ratings or buyrates, so signing MORE dead weight from WCW hardly seems like a good idea.

 

 

<<<Do you really think after signing them, Vince is thinking about how much drawing power Golberg still has? If anything, he remembers the the chants he got durring the Raw/Nitro simo-cast, not how his drawing power was killed by politics and bad management.>>>

 

 

Bagwell got a good pop at that show. We see how well that turned out.

 

GB is an afterthought in the business. He was a flash in the pan who has long since burned out. Throw in his non-existent mic skills, the fact that the WWF won't allow him to just thrash everybody, and his horrible ring work and you have a guy with precious little value.

 

Would I sign him for about $50,000/year? Sure. Why not?

 

Would I sign him for what he wants? Good lord, no.

 

 

<<<Yes, in the end, Golberg was a money-loser, but he did draw and put buts in the seats, despite how overpayed he was. Drawing money is more important than drawing cheers, but if handled properly, Golberg could draw huge money for the WWF, and Vince knows it.>>>

 

 

"Handled properly" ANYBODY can draw serious money.

 

 

<<<The *potential* for huge business is what Golberg has, and it could get him a job if he wanted one. He is a nutcase, a walking injury case, and unprofesional in many ways, but at this point those are the last things on the management's minds.>>>

 

 

You don't spend millions on "potential business". Do you think Vince doesn't regret signing Hall and Nash already?

 

 

<<<3) Nash has had a career spanning nearly two decades that has been ridden with bad matches (and a few passable, even good ones) while Golberg showed some potential about two years into his career that lasted all of about five. I never said Golberg was good in the ring, I just said there's a difference between those two. >>>

 

 

Not really. Both were equally inept.

                  -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<There have been 4 wrestlers that have made it mainstream big time, and they are Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin, and Goldberg.>>>

 

 

How in the world is GB "big-time" in the mainstream? Beer commercials do that?

 

 

<<<No one could have drawn in WCW at the end.>>>

 

 

That "no one", of course, includes GB.

 

 

<<<The mighty Rock would have spiked ratings for two weeks and then they would have went down.  Austin a little bit more than Rock, but just because he had a natural feud with Goldberg.>>>

 

 

I could mention that when GB returned in June 2000, ratings didn't spike. Buyrates didn't spike, either.  

 

 

<<<If I am seeing things correctly, Hulk Hogan is far and away the biggest draw in the WWF today.>>>

 

 

You're not seeing things correctly.

 

 

<<<His shirt sells are dwarfing all others in the WWF right now.>>>

 

 

I'd love to see the numbers behind that claim.

 

 

<<<His segments are the top ratings draws.>>>

 

 

Again, a number of source to back that assertion up would be nice.

 

 

<<< He has made Rock and HHH into temporary heels because of his presence.>>>

 

 

HHH isn't exactly getting boos right now.

 

 

<<<And in March when Vince McMahon was listing off names of former WCWers, including Hogan, Luger, Bagwell, Booker T, Big Poppa Pump, etc...the fans gave them all mild reactions and started numerous Goldberg chants with them getting so loud Vince had to break script and say his name.  The pop his name got was the biggest pop of the night, and it was not even close.  >>>

 

 

And it was over a year ago now.

 

 

<<<To this day you still read about Goldberg chants during TV and in dark matches.  >>>

 

 

Again, a source? I've never read a single report of a GB chant at a TV taping.

 

 

<<<So don't sit there and tell me about how Goldberg wouldn't draw in the WWF.  The reason he didn't draw, nor Hogan or a select few others, at the end of WCW was because fans wanted them in the WWF.>>>

 

 

Another interesting theory.

 

Could it POSSIBLY be that the fans were bored of his schtick and moved on?

 

 

<<<If Goldberg shows up on a PPV and is announced to make an appearance on Raw the night, I guarantee you it will be the highest rated show in WWF's history with TNN.  No question.>>>

 

 

I will guarantee you, without a MOMENT of uncertainty, that it won't even be close to being that highly-rated.

                    -=Mike

 

Goldberg is the shit.  He is like the Lakers or the Yankees, everyone talks shit about how they are overated and boring, but when they are on the big stage everyone takes notice and everyone watches.

 

Bottom Line >>>

 

 

Interesting theory---though it doesn't explain the total crash in attendance, ratings, buyrates, profitability, et al of WCW after 1998 ended.