The College Football Championship Week Thread

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The computers are worse than the polls, because the computers just come up with random formulas for their rankings.  At least the people voting in polls usually know what they are talking about.  The only way a computer works is if someone found the magic formula, and if that is the case then there are 6 other worthless computers that are being entered into the mix.

I will never agree with only the polls being used after voters intentionally screwed Michigan to give Nebraska a piece of the National Title. Remember undefeated Michigan was moved down to 8th by several so Nebraska could gain enough ground to have a piece.

The best suggestion I've heard, next to having playoffs which I'm totally in favor of, is just using the AP and Coaches polls decide who plays for the national title but if there is any descrepency in the polls (as if they don't agree on both who is #1 and #2) THEN you go to a BCS formula to decide who goes. Tommorrow they will both agree on the #1 (USC) and #2 (LSU) teams in the country. They also agreed in 2001 with #1 (Miami) and #2 (Oregon) but Nebraska got in instead by. Now playing the role of Nebraska is Oklahoma only this time its worse because it the #1 team getting shut out and not the #2 team.

[Damaramu 0]

I will agree though that the BCS is bullshit and that there are 3 teams that deserve to go to the national championship yet only 2 of them will go. Which means that someone is getting screwed. It is very crappy.

[the pinjockey 0]

I wouldn't mind a revised system to avoid things like that. Like throw out the statistical outliers. If everyone is voting a team 1 or 2 any ballot with that team lower than 4 or 5 is throw out. The polls need to be revised, but to throw random computer analysis into the formula and have it count for half (?) is just silly.

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The only difference between this year and 2001 is there's no undefeated team to save the BCS' collective ASS now

[Damaramu 0]

I will still say that OU has a legitimate claim based on there season to be in the national championship game. There is no changing my mind on that. However should they go into that game as #1? No...as Number 2.

I haven't been watching long enough...how did we do things before the BCS? And was there controversy?

Ah well back to the NFL where things are at least a little more fair....

[CanadianChris 0]

I will still say that OU has a legitimate claim based on there season to be in the national championship game.

ALL THREE OF THEM have legit claims. Only two of them get the shot. To quote the late, great Gorilla Monsoon, "What a miscarriage of justice!"

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Here's a conspiracy theory....the BCS committee guys (whoever they are) start jumping on the phones calling coaches telling them to vote Oklahoma #1 and LSU #2 or vice versa and vote USC #3 or worse. Of course they are still fucked on the AP side but can't do anything about that.

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I will still say that OU has a legitimate claim based on there season to be in the national championship game. There is no changing my mind on that. However should they go into that game as #1? No...as Number 2.

I haven't been watching long enough...how did we do things before the BCS? And was there controversy?

No.

 

I said this when the highly overrated Nebraska team went a couple of years ago, and it applies here: If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't play for the National Championship. Plain and simple.

 

The system is flawed enough when you consider that any team outside of the six BCS conferences is basically out of contention before the season ever starts, even if they finish undefeated and win every game 175-0.

 

The system is even more flawed when you consider that most years, one loss is enough to cost you your chance to play for the National Championship (which is the case for one of the top three).

 

Any system that allows the number two team in a conference to be in the championship game against any team other than the first place team in the same conference is total bullshit and needs changed immediately.

 

I like the general idea behind the BCS, but it should be used to seed a 16-team playoff. Still flawed? Yes. But at least then there'd be an outside chance in a team like Miami (OH) or TCU to actually have a real reason to play the entire season.

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I will still say that OU has a legitimate claim based on there season to be in the national championship game.

ALL THREE OF THEM have legit claims. Only two of them get the shot. To quote the late, great Gorilla Monsoon, "What a miscarriage of justice!"

Yes that's what I'm saying. They all 3 do have claims and it would be a travesty if ANY of them were left out. But 1 of them does have to be left out.

However people seem to hate OU so much that if they were left out nobody would be crying fowl like they are about USC and LSU. Why is beyond me. Because yes they lost the conference but they dominated the rest of the conference throughout the season. They had a bad game. Everyone has bad games. Unfortunately there bad game was at the WORST possible time. However they still dominated like no other team did.

[Guest Just J]

I'm don't think Ou sucks, but they didn't win their conference so that alone should take them out of the Championship game. If you can't win your conference then you damn sure shouldn't be the the big game. I don't care what you did the rest of the season.

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Yeah I'm still pissed that my team went and fucked it up like that.

I mean K-State is not better than them. Yet they let them be better than them. I don't know what the fuck there problem was. That should not have happened. There were so many missed tackles that they had no reason not to get at the beginning it was absurd.

Damn...I don't know what happened to OU on that night. Someone said on the radio "What would OU have to do to lose in the Big XII?" and the answer was "Something they haven't done all season." and guess what? They did something they haven't done all season.

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I will still say that OU has a legitimate claim based on there season to be in the national championship game.

ALL THREE OF THEM have legit claims. Only two of them get the shot. To quote the late, great Gorilla Monsoon, "What a miscarriage of justice!"

Yes that's what I'm saying. They all 3 do have claims and it would be a travesty if ANY of them were left out. But 1 of them does have to be left out.

However people seem to hate OU so much that if they were left out nobody would be crying fowl like they are about USC and LSU. Why is beyond me. Because yes they lost the conference but they dominated the rest of the conference throughout the season. They had a bad game. Everyone has bad games. Unfortunately there bad game was at the WORST possible time. However they still dominated like no other team did.

The more I think about it, the more I have to agree with the conference championship losers can't go on idea. Because if a person wants a playoff format overall then you have to accept the fact that conference championships are mini-playoffs. And in that scenario you can't send the loser. Look at it like the NFL. If one NFC team goes 16-0 and dominates everyone, then they face an 8-8 team in the conference championship and lose, you don't send the loser anyway even though they might be more worthy. So does it suck they picked the conference championship to fall apart in? Well, for them, yes. But did they fall apart in the conference championship? Yes.

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It doesn't matter how much they rocked everyone during the season, late losses will kill you more than any others. If we still had the Bowl Alliance and did things by the polls at the end of the season, OU would drop to #3 (or #4 where I'd put them, as any loss, no matter how good the team, should put a team down three places at least especially after getting rocked like they did tonight) and wouldn't be declared the National Champs anyway. The 2003 OU team will be remembered as really good, but you just can't lose that late in the season, in your own conference championship game no less, and be considered worthy of being near a national title game against a team that DID win its conference (LSU in a title game, USC in the "best record" way that I detest).

 

USC is good, but I still contend that LSU is better. Their fairly sound handling of the #5 team in the country tonight proved that, and it was the second time they did it (when it was a virtual home game for Georgia and how it's nearly impossible to beat a team twice in one season). Not only that, but the beating was MUCH worse this time than the first game, and Georgia had a lot of people playing tonight that weren't able to play in the first encounter. Here's how I'd put it:

 

#1: LSU

#1: USC (tie)

#3: Michigan

#4: Oklahoma

#5: Texas

 

To me, LSU/USC is the only conscionable Sugar Bowl matchup. Oklahoma can't possibly be THAT good if they were flat-out SCHOOLED tonight as they were. That indicates some serious flaws whereas the other two teams' losses were a decent loss at home to the co-SEC East champions(LSU) and a triple-overtime loss on the road(USC).

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Things would be much easier if they just took 16 teams, tossed some of the bigger names bowls in and made a freakin national title tournament!

 

I'd rather be arguing over who is #16 than I would over who is #1 or #2 or #3 this god damn year. It's a joke.

 

Use a mix of BCS and Humans to come up with a way to pick 16 teams for a 16 team single elimination tournament. You can STILL keep the minor bowls, ABC/CBS/ESPN can split the major games and VIOLA we don't have any controvesy.

 

You would have MAC, Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, ACC, and SEC all with automatic bids. The rest is just simple picking the final few teams and using the BCS Bowl computer which ALREADY calculates up to freaking 16 anyway to seed them. Why does the NCAA want to make this out like it's really difficult to do. And if 16 is too many, then cut it down to 8....or 12....or who the hell cares, just do something!

 

It doesn't work, you can tweak it all you want but it doesn't work cause computers don't respect small schools. And the MAC killed this year.

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16 teams to me is a bit much for a playoff, especially given the dropoff after you escape the top 5 or so.

 

8 teams is fine enough a playoff for me

[Damaramu 0]

Hmm...but the thing is. OU is more than likely going to the National Title game.

I will agree that if you don't win the Conference title you shouldn't really go to the championship. However they are probably going to the championship. That was even said before this game started.

So then what does everyone have to say if they win the National Title? Will it be complete bullshit? Will nobody recognize them as the national champions? What if they walk all over there opponent and dominate them? Then what? That's what I want to know. If people will still be saying they don't deserve it. Will the team they walked all over deserve it more? Or will the left out 3rd party deserve it over both...despite the fact that nobody knows if they could've even beaten both teams?

What if OU goes and gets trounced by LSU? DO we say they're the best even though they didn't beat USC? Or is USC still the best despite not beating LSU or OU?

Same thing if USC goes and trounces OU.

Same thing if OU goes and trounces either one of them.

See this whole thing is a fucking mess! I fucking hate it as much as you guys! And it fucking pisses me off that MY team may get a controversial national championship.

Dammit....I wanted them to win...but not with a sledgehammer shot.

So what now? What do we do now? Do we remember 2003 as the year with no national champion? Or do we remember it as the year where there were 3 teams....no winner?

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Here is the major problem you will see

 

USC will be #1, LSU will be #2 and OU will be #3

 

Oklahoma (because they are #1 in the BCS) go to the championship game against....LSU.

USC goes to face Michigan

 

So what happens if USC wins? Why, mass chaos of course!

 

Basically the BCS will say that the second best team in the Big 12 (Oklahoma IS the second best now, sorry Sooner fans as much as I disagree with my own statement...you guys lost to KState therefore they are the best in the Big 12 by default) is BETTER than the best the Pac 10 has to offer. What does this remind you of?

 

WHY, Miami vs Nebraska while Colorado and Oregon went head to head. Colorado AND Oregon were both ahead of Nebraska (who didn't even GO to their title game IIRC) but the Huskers went and got crushed by the Canes.

 

So the BCS made adjustments, said it wouldn't happen again.....guess what.

 

IF USC wins over Michigan then we would have...SPLIT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Which means, the BCS just failed for the third time in six tries even after making adjustments. The BCS only works to set up a playoff, that is all it is good for.

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RE: The 8 team bracket idea.

 

It's hard to see a #7 or #8 seed winning the National Championship.

 

Not to mention, three straight weeks of bowl games for two teams? They'd physically be corpses by the National Championship game.

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Yes I agree that is a huge problem.

So if OU beats the best that the PAC 10 or Big 10 has to offer.....then does that mean that they are the best?

See that's my problem. It doesn't matter which one of them OU beats(if they do mind you) there will still be an outcry.

And there would still be a minor outcry if OU wasn't even in the game after there season dominance.

 

See that's what I'm saying. 3 teams...only 2 can go. There's no way to decide who the best out of all 3 is. Which means if any one of them win....they still don't have a leigitimate claim. Which absolutely sucks.

 

I think I summed up my feelings the best in my previous post though.

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RE: The 8 team bracket idea.

 

It's hard to see a #7 or #8 seed winning the National Championship.

 

Not to mention, three straight weeks of bowl games for two teams? They'd physically be corpses by the National Championship game.

 

Is it really that hard?

 

You have Florida State down there, and when Chris Rix is on they are among the best. You have teams like Ohio State, Miami, Miami of Ohio (NEVER count out the MAC), and Kansas State

 

Your automatics this year would have been:

Miami (Big East)

Florida State (ACC)

Miami of Ohio (MAC)

Kansas State (Big 12)

Michigan (Big Ten)

USC (Pac 10)

with Oklahoma and more than likely Ohio State or Georiga grabbing that last pick

 

Of those eight teams, you can say you couldn't see one of them as National Champion?

 

As for the time, cut down the schedules by 2 games and then the story is over. Usually these teams play a bunch of goofballs at home that they don't need to schedule. And by goofball I mean Div II opponents that do nothing but come in to get blown out.

 

This isn't difficult and those games would be amazing to watch.

 

It's three games, which is the same number they would play anyway.

 

ETA: Division II and Division III have a 16 team tournament and they do just fine.

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RE: The 8 team bracket idea.

 

It's hard to see a #7 or #8 seed winning the National Championship.

Well, you figure for the most part, unless it's a universally shitty year, the 8-seed team will still only be a 2-loss team, and in order to win they'd first have to beat the best team in the nation, then beat two more good teams, and if they do that, I'd say they earned it.

 

Not to mention, three straight weeks of bowl games for two teams? They'd physically be corpses by the National Championship game.

This argument is nullified by the existence of playoffs in all other facets of football (the other NCAA divisions, high school, pro, pee-wee, etc.)

 

Division I-A is probably THE only football group in the US that does not decide a championship with a playoff system

[Art Sandusky 0]

IF USC wins over Michigan then we would have...SPLIT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Which means, the BCS just failed for the third time in six tries even after making adjustments. The BCS only works to set up a playoff, that is all it is good for.

Dude, the BCS has yet to fail to produce a national champion that everyone agrees on. There hasn't been a split national champion since the 1997 season, the one that forced the BCS to be instituted.

 

I personally like the BCS because of the annual shitstorm that surrounds it as well as, as I said, how it hasn't failed yet.

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16 teams to me is a bit much for a playoff, especially given the dropoff after you escape the top 5 or so.

 

That bothers me for one main reason.

 

KState came in tonight ranked 13th in the BCS or so, right? So who's to say #16 doesn't come in and run the table in a tournament? Division I-AA does a 16-team tournament, and nobody bitches that it's too much. Division II and III also do extended playoffs and nobody complains it's too much.

 

There are 117 teams in I-A, and people actually think limiting the legit shot at the national championship to two of them is a good idea?

[Damaramu 0]

IF USC wins over Michigan then we would have...SPLIT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Which means, the BCS just failed for the third time in six tries even after making adjustments. The BCS only works to set up a playoff, that is all it is good for.

Dude, the BCS has yet to fail to produce a national champion that everyone agrees on. There hasn't been a split national champion since the 1997 season, the one that forced the BCS to be instituted.

 

I personally like the BCS because of the annual shitstorm that surrounds it as well as, as I said, how it hasn't failed yet.

Yeah that sucks that nobody can agree on who the real national champion is. At least in the NFL you know who the champion is.

 

Anyways...this was all summed up in my post 7 ones above this. Dammit people quit no selling me and read it. I am actually thinking about it rationally now.

I've come down from my OU fanboy defeat mode.

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Dude, the BCS has yet to fail to produce a national champion that everyone agrees on.

This is moreso because the BCS has its ass saved by managing to still have an undefeated team when all is said and done.

 

Imagine what would've happened in '00 or '01, if the undefeated team lost in the big title game to the 1-loss team chosen by the BCS (FSU, Nebraska), and the 1-loss team that got punked out of that game (Miami, Oregon) could have been voted as AP champions.

 

Well, this is essentially what we're seeing now, except even worse, since there is no undefeated team now. There are three 1-loss teams, two will go to the big game and one will be on the outside, and if the outside team wins their bowl game they could be voted AP champion, and thus we have our nightmare scenario.

[Damaramu 0]

Dude, the BCS has yet to fail to produce a national champion that everyone agrees on.

This is moreso because the BCS has its ass saved by managing to still have an undefeated team when all is said and done.

 

Imagine what would've happened in '00 or '01, if the undefeated team lost in the big title game to the 1-loss team chosen by the BCS (FSU, Nebraska), and the 1-loss team that got punked out of that game (Miami, Oregon) could have been voted as AP champions.

 

Well, this is essentially what we're seeing now, except even worse, since there is no undefeated team now. There are three 1-loss teams, two will go to the big game and one will be on the outside, and if the outside team wins their bowl game they could be voted AP champion, and thus we have our nightmare scenario.

I'm saying OU beats LSU and everyone cries foul for USC. Then next year it'd just be badass if OU and USC went undefeated all season and finished the controversy off.

This is actually the first year that I've set down and watched the season beginning to end and haven't picked up in the middle or taken off halfway through and came back at the end. And dammit.....I think I'm losing hair and getting an ulcer.

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IF USC wins over Michigan then we would have...SPLIT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Which means, the BCS just failed for the third time in six tries even after making adjustments. The BCS only works to set up a playoff, that is all it is good for.

Dude, the BCS has yet to fail to produce a national champion that everyone agrees on. There hasn't been a split national champion since the 1997 season, the one that forced the BCS to be instituted.

 

I personally like the BCS because of the annual shitstorm that surrounds it as well as, as I said, how it hasn't failed yet.

Yeah that sucks that nobody can agree on who the real national champion is. At least in the NFL you know who the champion is.

 

Anyways...this was all summed up in my post 7 ones above this. Dammit people quit no selling me and read it. I am actually thinking about it rationally now.

I've come down from my OU fanboy defeat mode.

 

Which one man?

The one about if OU crushes so and so?

 

The BCS CAN be bailed out yet again if #1 USC goes down. But if USC wins over Michigan then trouble begins cause if OU CRUSHES LSU then are they undisputed national champions?

 

Personally, I'm glad that this happen so the BCS (which gave one right title game) is exposed for the fraud it is.

 

Imagine if College Basketball was like this? Sweet god, that would be hell on earth.

[Damaramu 0]

Which one man?

The one about if OU crushes so and so?

 

The BCS CAN be bailed out yet again if #1 USC goes down. But if USC wins over Michigan then trouble begins cause if OU CRUSHES LSU then are they undisputed national champions?

 

Personally, I'm glad that this happen so the BCS (which gave one right title game) is exposed for the fraud it is.

 

Imagine if College Basketball was like this? Sweet god, that would be hell on earth.

It was actually this post

 

Hmm...but the thing is. OU is more than likely going to the National Title game.

I will agree that if you don't win the Conference title you shouldn't really go to the championship. However they are probably going to the championship. That was even said before this game started.

So then what does everyone have to say if they win the National Title? Will it be complete bullshit? Will nobody recognize them as the national champions? What if they walk all over there opponent and dominate them? Then what? That's what I want to know. If people will still be saying they don't deserve it. Will the team they walked all over deserve it more? Or will the left out 3rd party deserve it over both...despite the fact that nobody knows if they could've even beaten both teams?

What if OU goes and gets trounced by LSU? DO we say they're the best even though they didn't beat USC? Or is USC still the best despite not beating LSU or OU?

Same thing if USC goes and trounces OU.

Same thing if OU goes and trounces either one of them.

See this whole thing is a fucking mess! I fucking hate it as much as you guys! And it fucking pisses me off that MY team may get a controversial national championship.

Dammit....I wanted them to win...but not with a sledgehammer shot.

So what now? What do we do now? Do we remember 2003 as the year with no national champion? Or do we remember it as the year where there were 3 teams....no winner?

 

Think about it. There is no scenario that will make everyone happy.

 

Oh and for those that have been watching sports much longer than me...how do you deal with it whenever your favorite team suffers a crushing defeat? Especially when you are being mocked for your fandom by everyone around you? How? I have yet to find a way to deal with it without wanting to punch out a fan of the offending team that beat yours.

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JHawk is dead on and I've explained myself before on this. The reasons it has to be 16 teams are:

 

A) It's the only way you can get every conference champion in,

B) It's the only way you can get enough at-large teams and money payouts to satisfy the big conferences,

C) Every other level of college football does it that way so why not I-A?

 

Eight teams, you couldn't have every conference champion and "mid-major" conferences would be left out creating the same issues people have with the BCS and four teams is too few and there would be a lot more controversy over the #4 and #3 spots than for the #16 and #15 spots in a 16-team tournament.

 

This is all futile effort on my part or anyone else's though as deep down I know there will never be a playoff like this ever even after what has happened this year.

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You are right Dama, there is no scenario this year. None, zero, not a one that will end with people happy.

 

You'd have USC fans calling foul cause the Trojans aren't in the title game.

You have Sooner fans crying foul if they weren't in the title game

You have Tigers fans upset that they don't get the shot.

 

This was the worst nightmare for the BCS and I think if they want, they might as well screw all three of them.

 

MICHIGAN VS MIAMI OF OHIO!

 

Then none of them can complain cause they all got screwed

 

ETA: Oh and Dama? Just live with the fact that they are probably bandwagon fans who would join your team in a heartbeat if they win the title. Those that mock are bandwagon fans.