One And Only TNA 12/17/03 Thread

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm guessing I'm the only person that thought Ultimate X 1 was actually an okay match.

*****it was evolution at its finest

Let's give it up for creationism!!

There were fuck ups, but with that kind of match, it could be expected.

Didn't the belt fall to the mat TWICE?

I DO think TNA will be ready to pull the trigger on CM Punk sometime soon.

 

As for AMW being the top tag team in the world, that may be a true in a world were AMW are the only tag team in it.

****that's why they won pwtorch tag team of the year awrad last year

Oooh, the Torch? Wow, they're prestigious and stuff, right?

, Apter's this year

APTER? Are you kidding?

and was second in Martin's released today. But there all idiots anyway.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have ourselves a winner!

Micheal Shane, don't even COMPARE him to HBK. HBK is about 80% of what he was before his injury I reckon, and that makes him about 16 times better than Micheal Shane. I will always say that Micheal Shane is good. I don't have too many problems with Micheal Shane, but he is not GREAT. HBK is.

*****HBK five years ago, yes. HBK now is very overrated. Keep in mind his best match back was with Y2J, who made Hogan look good.

Also had a widely respected match at SSeries. And carried Orton and Batista to watchable matches.

 

Shane sucked in matches with GOOD workers.

-=Mike

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I just think they got too stale, being on T.V. every week as the only babyface tag team until 3LK formed.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

"Evolution" of wrestling is not adding new gimmick matches that have failed in delivery. The evolution of wrestling is how the in-ring style changes, not how to WIN the match.

 

Saying RHK is better than HBK shoot be an offense punishable by castration.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

"Evolution" of wrestling is not adding new gimmick matches that have failed in delivery. The evolution of wrestling is how the in-ring style changes, not how to WIN the match.

 

Saying RHK is better than HBK shoot be an offense punishable by castration.

Having a conversation with vicvenomjr must be like cruel and unusual punishment.

 

Not to drag names, but even some Shawn Michaels haters, like Bob Barron, have found some of his matches entertaining and or great.

 

 

Saying Michael Shane is in any way, shape, or form better than HBK is like digging up HBK's body, kicking it a few hours, burying it with his legs up, and then pisisng on the newly shoveled dirt.

[bob_barron 0]

Don't worry-

 

To say Michael Shane has put on better performances then HBK is flat out absurd and ignorant.

 

There's being loyal to TNA and then there's...

 

vicvenomjr

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Don't worry-

 

To say Michael Shane has put on better performances then HBK is flat out absurd and ignorant.

 

There's being loyal to TNA and then there's...

 

vicvenomjr

*****and that's your opinion and that's fine and respected but HBK did it once a month while Shane did it every single week this year in the second half. Whose more valuable to their promotion, a broken down HBK or a livewire Shane? At this point I'd take Shane, he's younger and healthier and HBK has proven that he is in no way a ratings draw. While no one's buying the show to see Shane, he is readily available to compete and puts on a solid performance and is a major contributor to the programming. As a result Michael Shane is more valuable than HBK in 2003, in my opinion.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Having a conversation with vicvenomjr must be like cruel and unusual punishment.

 

Not to drag names, but even some Shawn Michaels haters, like Bob Barron, have found some of his matches entertaining and or great.

 

 

Saying Michael Shane is in any way, shape, or form better than HBK is like digging up HBK's body, kicking it a few hours, burying it with his legs up, and then pisisng on the newly shoveled dirt.

*****HBK was basicallly an attraction this year while Shane was a every day competitor. Give RVD a month between matches and let's see how good he is. I'm not talking about the old school HBK we were all brought up with, I'm talking the now HBK. The broken down HBK, who can only go once a month. I'd rather have Shane than the 2003 HBK.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

"Evolution" of wrestling is not adding new gimmick matches that have failed in delivery. The evolution of wrestling is how the in-ring style changes, not how to WIN the match.

*****Frist they did it once and it didn't fail in delivery and it was evolution. There is only so much you can do in wrestling ring, that Samartino didn't do years ago. Believe me what you see on Raw, besides high flyers and garbage, isn't much different than 1970's wrestling. But if you add new factors to the match in itself it is evolution and makes a fan take notice.

 

Saying RHK is better than HBK shoot be an offense punishable by castration

*****again not in a career but this year.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

I just think they got too stale, being on T.V. every week as the only babyface tag team until 3LK formed.

*****true that, but there work rate never suffered. The product they brought in the ring was never effected. There old school wrestlers in a time old school is shunned, that's why I like them.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Let's give it up for creationism!!

******inventing words now, good for you

 

Didn't the belt fall to the mat TWICE?

*****it will never happen again.

 

Oooh, the Torch? Wow, they're prestigious and stuff, right?

*****there in the top 3, I think their opinion matters.

 

APTER? Are you kidding?

*****the magazine's suck yes, yes they all do. But the man has watched wrestling for 4 decades I think he knows what he's talking about.

QUOTE

and was second in Martin's released today. But there all idiots anyway.

 

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have ourselves a winner!

*****read Todd's column on WO he's fast becoming the most intelligent younger writer on the net.

 

Also had a widely respected match at SSeries. And carried Orton and Batista to watchable matches.

*****but they weren't good matches.

 

Shane sucked in matches with GOOD workers.

*****not really as almost all of his matches were three stars.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Who the heck is Martin?

*****actually that was pretty funny. Todd Martin on the Wrestling Observer site.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Todd Martin's column has been ridiculed all over the net.

*****because he's young and he actually does his research unlike most of the guys on the net who only follow the WWE. Most important he can write. His writing is very good, unlike the tired IWC column writing which just consists of very bad comedy.

 

Guerrera vs. Sabin is the third best match this year? Maybe the third best match that month, if you're being generous.

*****that match was very, very good.

 

Once again, AMW CAN'T WORK A HOT TAG, THEY SUCK. My brother and I could work a better hot tag than these clowns.

*****come on, your just being over the top negative here.

 

Michael Shane has worked a three star match every week if your star system starts at 4.

*****hey a comedian, congrats.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

so u didn't like their feud with XXX or their matches with SImon and Swinger?

*****no they all sucked, especially the cage match with XXX. That match sucked. Sarcasm should be noted.

Edited December 20, 2003 by vicvenomjr

[Guest Max Peter David]

ZERO of Shane's TNA matches have been any good at all.

 

Shawn Michaels carried the uncarryable to a decent match at Armagedon. He had Raw MOTY at Wrestlemania, and carried the Survivor Series match to ****.

 

Michael Shane has had a TERRIBLE year. He should have stuck with ROH, he seems to have his better matches there.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

ZERO of Shane's TNA matches have been any good at all.

 

Shawn Michaels carried the uncarryable to a decent match at Armagedon. He had Raw MOTY at Wrestlemania, and carried the Survivor Series match to ****.

 

Michael Shane has had a TERRIBLE year. He should have stuck with ROH, he seems to have his better matches there.

Or TNA fans need to get on his ass in TNA like RoH fans did to Hardy....but not that bad.

[Guest MikeSC]

Having a conversation with vicvenomjr must be like cruel and unusual punishment.

 

Not to drag names, but even some Shawn Michaels haters, like Bob Barron, have found some of his matches entertaining and or great.

 

 

Saying Michael Shane is in any way, shape, or form better than HBK is like digging up HBK's body, kicking it a few hours, burying it with his legs up, and then pisisng on the newly shoveled dirt.

*****HBK was basicallly an attraction this year while Shane was a every day competitor. Give RVD a month between matches and let's see how good he is. I'm not talking about the old school HBK we were all brought up with, I'm talking the now HBK. The broken down HBK, who can only go once a month. I'd rather have Shane than the 2003 HBK.

You are aware that HBK has worked a full-time TV schedule for the last few months, right?

 

And you are aware that his work those months SURPASSES Shane?

 

Personally, I'll take a "broken down" HBK over a never-will-be RHK.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

"Evolution" of wrestling is not adding new gimmick matches that have failed in delivery. The evolution of wrestling is how the in-ring style changes, not how to WIN the match.

*****Frist they did it once and it didn't fail in delivery and it was evolution.

Umm, the match had GLARING flaws. It was like a ladder match --- WITHOUT the nifty spots or entertainment value. Much as I didn't like it, RVD v Christian's ladder match trumps Ultimate X.

There is only so much you can do in wrestling ring, that Samartino didn't do years ago. Believe me what you see on Raw, besides high flyers and garbage, isn't much different than 1970's wrestling.

So you're ignorant to WWE AND old-school wrestling?

But if you add new factors to the match in itself it is evolution and makes a fan take notice.

 

Saying RHK is better than HBK shoot be an offense punishable by castration

*****again not in a career but this year.

Michael Shane isn't better than HBK on a weekly basis, much less a yearly basis.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Let's give it up for creationism!!

******inventing words now, good for you

You really are stupid, aren't you?

Didn't the belt fall to the mat TWICE?

*****it will never happen again.

The match sucked for reasons beyond that --- that was just a GLARING problem.

Oooh, the Torch? Wow, they're prestigious and stuff, right?

*****there in the top 3, I think their opinion matters.

Top 3 what? Who cares about internet wrestling sites?

APTER? Are you kidding?

*****the magazine's suck yes, yes they all do. But the man has watched wrestling for 4 decades I think he knows what he's talking about.

He's proven you wrong countless times. Hulk Hogan v Andre the Giant won his very much worked Match of the Year Award in 1988.

QUOTE 

and was second in Martin's released today. But there all idiots anyway.

 

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have ourselves a winner!

*****read Todd's column on WO he's fast becoming the most intelligent younger writer on the net.

OR, I could slam my head in a door a few times. It'd be a little LESS intellectually damaging.

Also had a widely respected match at SSeries. And carried Orton and Batista to watchable matches.

*****but they weren't good matches.

When Shane can't pull of WATCHABLE, they OWN Michael.

Shane sucked in matches with GOOD workers.

*****not really as almost all of his matches were three stars.

None of them were.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Todd Martin's column has been ridiculed all over the net.

*****because he's young and he actually does his research unlike most of the guys on the net who only follow the WWE.

Yeah, the IWC NEVER follows indy groups. No siree, Bob.

Most important he can write.

Yet he writes for an internet site run by a guy who is well-known as being a horrid writer.

His writing is very good, unlike the tired IWC column writing which just consists of very bad comedy.

Are YOU Martin? I'm getting this vibe.

Guerrera vs. Sabin is the third best match this year? Maybe the third best match that month, if you're being generous.

*****that match was very, very good.

Nobody said it was bad --- just a spotfest.

Once again, AMW CAN'T WORK A HOT TAG, THEY SUCK. My brother and I could work a better hot tag than these clowns.

*****come on, your just being over the top negative here.

Like you are being over-the-top positive? It's like ying and yang here.

Michael Shane has worked a three star match every week if your star system starts at 4.

*****hey a comedian, congrats.

Well, his comedy is intentional, unlike yours.

-=Mike

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Let's give it up for creationism!!

******inventing words now, good for you

As taken from Dictionary.com...

cre·a·tion·ism (kr-sh-nzm)

n.

Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.

So not only does it prove you have no knowledge of a word introduced to anybody that has studied the Scopes trial (which is the majority of Junior English classes, since "Inherit The Wind" deals with the trial and is a play in the curriculum of most 11th grade English classes), but also that you're too lazy to make sure it's not a word.

 

Didn't you say you were going to leave? The board was much more calm when your asinine rambling was kept to the bare minimum of "none." At least the pro-TNA crowd didn't have somebody as stupid as you that would tarnish their side's arguments. If I didn't know anybody, I'd swear you were AMWRULES...oh, wait, he actually makes SENSE with his arguments, and knows how to use the quote button properly.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

vicvenomjr as forced Anti & Pro-TNA'ers to band together to try and get rid of him.

 

 

Funny. I use to be pro-TNA, but NOT THAT WAY! I'd just say its entertaining, has a fresher feel to it, and tries to please different audiences. I'd find stuff wrong too.

 

This guy: "Michael Shane rules ***** matches everywhere I wanna jack off in his ass!"

[Jack_Bauer 0]

Ah, my old name.

 

Micheal Shane doesn't have SHIT on HBK. He may have been trained by him, but he is nothing like him.

[Guest JacK]

Ok . . . I gave up on the 3rd page when posts began growing so that they covered more space than my entire room, it's too much people!

 

As for what I thought of the show, I enjoyed it, it was pretty decent, and sets up Sting for a title shot. While Sting isn't great in the ring, at least he draws a reaction, and there's nothing worse when a heavily hyped match has no crowd heat.

 

Though I am sick of Michael Shane as champ, he's not bad, just not X-Division, that's all. I mean even that big fat X dude was more X Division than him from what I saw.

 

I still couldn't believe the turn, despite the fact I knew it was coming, specially after Punk said they'll help Raven 'Get what he deserves' or some such. Though I get the feeling it's going to turn into somewhat of a rehash of other Raven feuds, where he constantly gets fucked up, before eventually taking everyone out.

 

X Division match's were great, especially Sabin vs Daniels. . . loved that match. Tag match's were pretty good I thought, especially the AJ/D-lo match.

 

Again, that's what I thought, and I don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks, as long as TNA keep booking to please me . Now, when will Mike Sanders come back . . .

[Silence 0]

Now, when will Mike Sanders come back . . .

He sucks. He also tried to get rid of Mike Tenay (even though his "pissed off interviewer in the ring" skills are too forced and has a tendency to "damn" the heels like JR does whenever they turn on a face or debut in TNA and kick a face's ass) as commentator before the Jarretts did a good thing for once by firing Sanders.

[Guest JacK]

Yeah, I know . . . but his ring work was passable; and I loved the whole schtick he had goin; with the 'Hey,' and the girls from Nashville thing; but to each his own.

 

I know he'll never be back, but I'm sure I'll get over it eventually.

 

Edit: Hey, Raven_Effect; you joined on my birthday. Just noticed that inconsiquential piece of rather useless knowledge. . . but it's the world's best day.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Just thought I'd add some funny shit I saw in the Observer to this thread, its the parody awards -

 

The Short Yellow Bus Award goes to...

 

Teddy Hart. Seriously, and I don't mean to be insensitive to the plight of the mentally challenged but, this guy has got to be special toy short of a happy meal because there is no logical explanation as to how he could actually celebrate a match with repeated backflips and vomiting. He thinks everyone is jealous of him and he's got that, that hair...

 

 

The Best Impression of Triple H Award goes to....

 

Jeff Jarrett, who's done all he can to make sure he's the top guy in TNA and the focus of attention that he's this close to marrying Jerry Jarrett's daughter, except that's illegal in most states. Now I don't even know if Jerry has a daughter but for the sake of this joke he does.

 

The Force Feeding award goes to...

 

Eric Watts, for being shoved down our throats as a funny, entertaining character, when in fact he's none of the above. I guess sons of promoters stick together. Normally for someone to be considered funny people have to laugh as his or her jokes, unless you're Eric Watts. Ok sure the guy is like 6 foot 6 but that, a nickel, and two T's in your last name will get you ...a big spot in the company apparently...

 

 

The "Ahmed Johnson" Award goes to...

 

 

Teddy Hart, yes he won the big one. He beat out some stiff competition, and I'd like to think if this was an actual award show he'd come on stage, take the award and do several backflips to celebrate and dive off of the stage onto the unsuspecting people in the front row just because it would pop the crowd. Teddy, I hope you take this award with pride. If I could afford to actually have a statue made up, it would be a golden statue of Ahmed Johnson in his classic stance he had during most matches where his tights would ride up revealing an ass cheek like the great Nikita Koloff used to do. In fact the statue may be just of Ahmed's ass with the tights riding up to kind of symbolize exactly what it takes to win this award. Carry it with pride Teddy, you are the first to win this now covetted award, and you'll probably be in the running for this for many years to come so clear off some space on your mantel, just try not to climb on top of it and moonsault onto your coffee table....